Will Still

[danjosaint]

10 hours ago, Saint Billy said:

Perhaps it's time for a manager to set up a side to play to its players strengths rather than the managers preferred way of playing. 

He hasn't a preferred way of playing 

[Willo of Whiteley]

I does frustrate me the “gung-ho” attitude of drawing a game or losing and then chucking on five strikers for the last ten minutes of the game to salvage something.

[Charlie Wayman]

15 hours ago, danjosaint said:

He hasn't a preferred way of playing 

Would we even trust him to organise a piss up in a pub

[Golactico]

Get rid of Still before it's too late, appoint Dyche before Forest get their hands on him and with a serious manager in charge, watch us start to mount a serious promotion campaign.

 

[Chris cooper]

2 minutes ago, Golactico said:

Get rid of Still before it's too late, appoint Dyche before Forest get their hands on him and with a serious manager in charge, watch us start to mount a serious promotion campaign.

 

Said this exact thing yesterday! Dyche will go to Forest tho .. sure as eggs are eggs !

[SW5 SAINT]

4 minutes ago, Golactico said:

Get rid of Still before it's too late, appoint Dyche before Forest get their hands on him and with a serious manager in charge, watch us start to mount a serious promotion campaign.

 

Why would Dyche want to come to Southampton……?

[skintsaint]

12 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I does frustrate me the “gung-ho” attitude of drawing a game or losing and then chucking on five strikers for the last ten minutes of the game to salvage something.

You would rather us chuck on defenders to salvage something then?

[Golactico]

53 minutes ago, SW5 SAINT said:

Why would Dyche want to come to Southampton……?

You're probably right. We should've got him when Everton sacked him for the heinous crime of being only slightly clear of the Premier League relegation zone.

[Harry_SFC]

Yeah let's get Dyche in when we don't have a target man...

[Charlie Wayman]

16 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Yeah let's get Dyche in when we don't have a target man...

He's good with his head and quite tall

[Badger]

12 hours ago, Golactico said:

Get rid of Still before it's too late, appoint Dyche before Forest get their hands on him and with a serious manager in charge, watch us start to mount a serious promotion campaign.

 

Not sure about Dyche but it does seem that we’re content to twiddle thumbs for a few more weeks whilst hoping for an upturn in fortunes under Still. 

If Rohl goes to Rangers, we might end up with Lallana as a stop gap. After that Christ knows who will appeal to SR, ( wait for a Richie Wellens appointment!). 

[Suhari]

18 minutes ago, Badger said:

Not sure about Dyche but it does seem that we’re content to twiddle thumbs for a few more weeks whilst hoping for an upturn in fortunes under Still. 

If Rohl goes to Rangers, we might end up with Lallana as a stop gap. After that Christ knows who will appeal to SR, ( wait for a Richie Wellens appointment!). 

How much of an upgrade would Rohl really be upgrade on Still?

[Sheaf Saint]

47 minutes ago, Suhari said:

How much of an upgrade would Rohl really be upgrade on Still?

He took a very poor Wednesday team and made it better than the sum of its parts, and their fans loved him for it.

I've seen no evidence so far that Still is capable of that. Quite the opposite in fact - he's got one of the best overall squads in the Championship to work with and has got it performing well below what it should be capable of. 

[Suhari]

45 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

He took a very poor Wednesday team and made it better than the sum of its parts, and their fans loved him for it.

I've seen no evidence so far that Still is capable of that. Quite the opposite in fact - he's got one of the best overall squads in the Championship to work with and has got it performing well below what it should be capable of. 

Your second paragraph sums up my conclusion on Will. I want it to work out, but so far little sign of being able to create a functioning unit.

Wonder if the club have sounded out possible replacements.

[Hoggins]

We need some real gravitas and leadership at the club.  Should have got Lampard when we had the chance.

[Miltonaggro]

18 hours ago, SW5 SAINT said:

Why would Dyche want to come to Southampton……?

You never know. He was interviewed in 2022 after RH was sacked and fancied the job then. If he had been appointed id doubt we’d have had the level of trauma of the last three years! 

[Badger]

4 hours ago, Suhari said:

How much of an upgrade would Rohl really be upgrade on Still?

Impossible to know, but gut feeling is that Rohl has a bit more about him. Sheaf Saint lists his time at Sheff Weds. On top of this his involvement  at Bayern and German national team looks a better pedigree than mid-table Ligue 1.  
 

Would have been a better option in the summer, in my view, but the job now is a different one, in picking up the pieces of a piss poor team last season plus a disjointed one this. That’s not something I’d lay solely on Still ,it’s just where we are. 
 

I mentioned Rohl as his name would be one of the obvious ones linked. Whether that is still the case, we don’t know. 

3 hours ago, Suhari said:

Wonder if the club have sounded out possible replacements.

Remember Reed saying they were constantly monitoring managers and coaches in case. 
Would seem pretty remiss if we haven’t, but this is Saints so (if past performance is anything to go by) we’re probably pretty ‘relaxed’ about it, and  it’ll be the usual delay and few weeks posturing.

[Badger]

3 hours ago, Hoggins said:

We need some real gravitas and leadership at the club.  Should have got Lampard when we had the chance.

Said with the benefit of hindsight of course. The common view before last season was that Lampard was a name living off his reputation as player. 
 

He is doing a good job at Coventry no doubt. But worth remembering he did take on a fairly solid Championship side and set up made by Robbins who were underperforming. Yes, he’s transformed them and results, but a different task than our shell shocked bunch from last season. 

[AlexLaw76]

13 minutes ago, Badger said:

Said with the benefit of hindsight of course. The common view before last season was that Lampard was a name living off his reputation as player. 
 

He is doing a good job at Coventry no doubt. But worth remembering he did take on a fairly solid Championship side and set up made by Robbins who were underperforming. Yes, he’s transformed them and results, but a different task than our shell shocked bunch from last season. 

For good or bad, he has a 100% record of making the playoffs with a non parachute payments side. 

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

For good or bad, he has a 100% record of making the playoffs with a non parachute payments side. 

Fair point. 

And personally I didn’t think he did a bad job at Chelsea first time round. Seem to recall it was an uncertain time for them in the transfer market (was it an embargo ?) so he was bringing through younger players. Yes, they’re going to be top drawer players, (not the Larios of this world) but by Chelsea standards he didn’t have the funds to splash, and would in time probably have built something there. The sacking seemed harsh to me at the time. 

Edited yesterday at 17:27 by Badger

[Hoggins]

Think the point is also as an organisation we don’t seem to have anyone involved with much / any experience of being at the top level in professional sport….

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Hoggins

[Miltonaggro]

On the subject of Lampard, along with the likes of Dyche, Cooper etc. My gut feeling ever since Sport Republic took over is their pathological avoidance of appointing an experienced and known figure within English football, hence the need that every permanent appointment has to have 'an angle' or a 'blue sky' feel.  You could point to Juric as an established manager, but he was a temp with a previous (if tenuous) link to Spors.  Most Saints fans have nothing personal against Still, or Martin or Jones for that matter, but would prefer their relatively big club not to be treated as a work experience project. In my time as a supporter the club has always done particularly well with a 'big name' former player at the helm even when they've struggled elsewhere (Ball, Hoddle, Strachan, Koeman).  Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but Lampard would have probably been a great fit for us when we could have got him!       

[Ted Bates Statue]

22 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

He took a very poor Wednesday team and made it better than the sum of its parts, and their fans loved him for it.

I've seen no evidence so far that Still is capable of that. Quite the opposite in fact - he's got one of the best overall squads in the Championship to work with and has got it performing well below what it should be capable of. 

That Wednesday team was essentially a League One side and he got them into top half as a basket-case club. If he goes to Rangers and sorts them out, it'll be a bit tragic for us given we've known about him for donkey's years but always gone for other options instead. The timing might not have been quite right this summer but this season is beginning to feel like a missed opportunity for us as we drift in mid-table.

I don't really know what is so special about what Will Still achievements with the sides that he managed in France. His points average for both clubs over there is below 1.5 points a game, a trend which is continuing with us. At Reims he was apparently given decent funds to compete to qualify for Europe and he fell short.

To compare with other managers in our history, I'd had next to zero knowledge of Adkins or Martin but putting aside any of their eventual shortcomings, the logic was clear that both had done well at their previous clubs and this translated into some degree of success for us.

As a club, I accept that we are never going to compete at the top level without getting the most out of our limitations. I find it incredibly ironic that it still rings true despite being several years into the SR era where we have thrown away money like never before, in lame attempts to make our problems go away.

Edited 9 hours ago by Ted Bates Statue

[OldNick]

Harry was an experienced manger, Bassett , Burley and others who failed, easy to pick a few who did ok.

Still has not had long and quite frankly it makes me squirm when i read that we have one of the best squads in the Championship. Most of them are losers and then an influx of new players who arent settled yet. When will we learnn that you cant keep changing manager. If the board had listened to the fans when LM was first here we'd have never had the success we had in the 70's-80's 

[Badger]

2 hours ago, Miltonaggro said:

On the subject of Lampard, along with the likes of Dyche, Cooper etc. My gut feeling ever since Sport Republic took over is their pathological avoidance of appointing an experienced and known figure within English football, hence the need that every permanent appointment has to have 'an angle' or a 'blue sky' feel.  You could point to Juric as an established manager, but he was a temp with a previous (if tenuous) link to Spors.  Most Saints fans have nothing personal against Still, or Martin or Jones for that matter, but would prefer their relatively big club not to be treated as a work experience project. In my time as a supporter the club has always done particularly well with a 'big name' former player at the helm even when they've struggled elsewhere (Ball, Hoddle, Strachan, Koeman).  Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but Lampard would have probably been a great fit for us when we could have got him!       

Seems that they want to avoid a manager who will come in with a firm opinion - and experience to back it up - and perhaps challenge the way they (SR, Rasmus?) want to do things. 

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

To compare with other managers in our history, I'd had next to zero knowledge of Adkins or Martin but putting aside any of their eventual shortcomings, the logic was clear that both had done well at their previous clubs and this translated into some degree of success for us.

As a club, I accept that we are never going to compete at the top level without getting the most out of our limitations. I find it incredibly ironic that it still rings true despite being several years into the SR era where we have thrown away money like never before, in lame attempts to make our problems go away.

Adkins had done a tremendous job at Scunthorpe, but Martin had only managed mid-table finishes at Swansea. Not sure that meets the ‘done well at previous club’ criteria. 

[Eagle778]

2 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

That Wednesday team was essentially a League One side and he got them into top half as a basket-case club. If he goes to Rangers and sorts them out, it'll be a bit tragic for us given we've known about him for donkey's years but always gone for other options instead. The timing might not have been quite right this summer but this season is beginning to feel like a missed opportunity for us as we drift in mid-table.

I don't really know what is so special about what Will Still achievements with the sides that he managed in France. His points average for both clubs over there is below 1.5 points a game, a trend which is continuing with us. At Reims he was apparently given decent funds to compete to qualify for Europe and he fell short.

To compare with other managers in our history, I'd had next to zero knowledge of Adkins or Martin but putting aside any of their eventual shortcomings, the logic was clear that both had done well at their previous clubs and this translated into some degree of success for us.

As a club, I accept that we are never going to compete at the top level without getting the most out of our limitations. I find it incredibly ironic that it still rings true despite being several years into the SR era where we have thrown away money like never before, in lame attempts to make our problems go away.

At Reims he was given given decent enough funds to qualify for Europe

 

you re having a laugh aren’t you? Unknowledgable dipstick or is it anti Will Still propaganda? 

Reims have got one of the lowest budgets in Ligue 1.

[Wade Garrett]

3 hours ago, Miltonaggro said:

On the subject of Lampard, along with the likes of Dyche, Cooper etc. My gut feeling ever since Sport Republic took over is their pathological avoidance of appointing an experienced and known figure within English football, hence the need that every permanent appointment has to have 'an angle' or a 'blue sky' feel.  You could point to Juric as an established manager, but he was a temp with a previous (if tenuous) link to Spors.  Most Saints fans have nothing personal against Still, or Martin or Jones for that matter, but would prefer their relatively big club not to be treated as a work experience project. In my time as a supporter the club has always done particularly well with a 'big name' former player at the helm even when they've struggled elsewhere (Ball, Hoddle, Strachan, Koeman).  Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but Lampard would have probably been a great fit for us when we could have got him!       

You can include Argentinian international Poch in that list as well.

[Willo of Whiteley]

Danny Rohl there his toys out the pram at the start of the summer, let’s be honest he was angry no one came in for him which led him to resign.

He did ok at Wednesday but I wouldn’t say he is anything special at this stage.

[Ted Bates Statue]

1 hour ago, Eagle778 said:

At Reims he was given given decent enough funds to qualify for Europe

 

you re having a laugh aren’t you? Unknowledgable dipstick or is it anti Will Still propaganda? 

Reims have got one of the lowest budgets in Ligue 1.

You could say that again. Reims aren't in Ligue 1 this season. I clearly meant to refer to Lens - shame you were totally incapable of reading between the lines.

I look forward to my propaganda being dredged up and mocked in a few months' time, because it would mean that we'd be doing well. In the meantime, forgive some of us for expressing an opinion on a poxy corner of the internet.

It's not as if Sport Republic is listening to us anyway.

[Badger]

2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

You can include Argentinian international Poch in that list as well.

In hindsight perhaps, but he came to us on the back of having been sacked at Espanyol not long before. The appointment didn't have much of a feel of an uplift when it was announced. Far from it. 

[Turkish]

22 minutes ago, Badger said:

In hindsight perhaps, but he came to us on the back of having been sacked at Espanyol not long before. The appointment didn't have much of a feel of an uplift when it was announced. Far from it. 

Yep, the appointment of Pochetino was met with widespread anger. Adkins had started to turn the team round and we'd just drawn away at Chelsea when he was fired. Fans were furious, MP had just been sacked by Espanyol with them bottom of the league. I expect there would be a similar reaction if this happened today.

Edited 3 hours ago by Turkish

[Maggie May]

19 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yep, the appointment of Pochetino was met with widespread anger. Adkins had started to turn the team round and we'd just drawn away at Chelsea when he was fired. Fans were furious, MP had just been sacked by Espanyol with them bottom of the league. I expect there would be a similar reaction if this happened today.

Absolutely - we moan about everything.

[Sheaf Saint]

Beeb reporting that Hassenhutl is among those in the frame for the Rangers job following Martin's sacking.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cy0ynx4wr5do

I know the chances of it happening are slim to none, but I would snap your arm off to have him back here now. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Sheaf Saint

[CB Fry]

6 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

To compare with other managers in our history, I'd had next to zero knowledge of Adkins or Martin but putting aside any of their eventual shortcomings, the logic was clear that both had done well at their previous clubs

Martin was an absolute mediocrity at Swansea and an absolute mediocrity at MK Dons.

The only club he has had any definable success at is Saints.

Adkins didn't get the chance to demonstrate any "shortcomings" at Saints. We were 15th when we sacked him and Poch finished one place higher in 14th.

[Badger]

2 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Danny Rohl there his toys out the pram at the start of the summer, let’s be honest he was angry no one came in for him which led him to resign.

He did ok at Wednesday but I wouldn’t say he is anything special at this stage.

Barry Bannan who played under him disagrees.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy4ple118zro

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"I'll put my neck out on the line and say he is the best manager I have worked under. He is brilliant."

 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Badger said:

Barry Bannan who played under him disagrees.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy4ple118zro

 

He clearly did much more than an “ok job” at Wednesday