New Manager Debate

[kitch]

3 hours ago, Zorba said:

That's possibly the best post I've ever seen on here.

[VectisSaint]

If it was to be Eckert (and I hope its not) where would we stand now with coaching staff? Apart from Lallana who is supposedly now a coach, and who is rumoured to be taking on the u21s, we don't have any. Seems to me its an indication that it won't be Eckert. 

[badgerx16]

Just now, VectisSaint said:

If it was to be Eckert (and I hope its not) where would we stand now with coaching staff? Apart from Lallana who is supposedly now a coach, and who is rumoured to be taking on the u21s, we don't have any. Seems to me its an indication that it won't be Eckert. 

Captain Jack as player-coach ?

[badgerx16]

20 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

You lot will change tune when he gets us promoted 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

But would he survive the relegation to L1 that preceded it ?

[Toussaint]

If it is him I just hope that the supporters give him a fair go. 

[Pilchards]

I wonder how all the other managers feel after being interviewed.

Probably used as it was always going to be Tonda.

What a serious big mistake they’ve made and this appointment allows them to dictate on what formation and players that the manager puts on the pitch as it’s the Southampton MODEL.

 

[Ken Tone]

If .... and it's a big if.... its true tthat they're giving Eckert the job, surely it would only be till the end of the season at first.  Why on earth would they offer a longer contract until/unless he does well over the next few months? 

[Langley saint]

Just now, Toussaint said:

If it is him I just hope that the supporters give him a fair go. 

What is a fair go ? 2 games , 6 games ? He has only beaten two very poor sides & QPR should have beaten us , he shouldn't be given a chance but thats SR for you .

[Suhari]

3 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

The Crook story may be nothing, but it is possible SR are sounding out fan reaction. Dragan has history in using talksport as a vehicle. 

Attention Mr Dragan sir, please may I have your attention.

NO!

Don't fucking give him the gig.

 

 

[Sarisbury Saint]

Time for a poll ?

[Dusic]

46 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

Clearly Ive missed those, maybe you can share the links....

 

 

 

 

Blackmore stated similar on Solent plus this just now:

Been clear to me for a while that we aren't going to appoint someone in the Intl break, Tonda will take at least Charlton and right now has a good a chance as anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 14:19 by Dusic

[James]

7 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

If it is him I just hope that the supporters give him a fair go. 

Sorry but why should fans have any tolerance when this inevitably turns out to be a bad decision? We’ve had to sit through the same mistakes over and over and over. It’s not Tonda’s fault but appointing him off the back of a dodgy away win where any other day we’d get battered and a win against the worst team in the league at home is a shockingly bad decision. It’s tantamount to writing the season off..

[Chez]

28 minutes ago, OldNick said:

 it seems the players didnt like WS blunt observations and perhaps we have a bit of a toxic squad (no real surprise as Juric got a similar response)

 

I think this is the issue for a lot of managers/head coaches. Some of the players simply don't respect them enough to take criticism from them.

If a manager is few years into the job, they will have by then won games and the players will be happy to listen. However, new managers that are losing games are going to be doubted and that doubt and potential disrespect grows with every defeat. If a manager comes in fails to articulate his ideas and his methods don't bare fruit immediately, he is done for.

[Toussaint]

3 minutes ago, Langley saint said:

What is a fair go ? 2 games , 6 games ? He has only beaten two very poor sides & QPR should have beaten us , he shouldn't be given a chance but thats SR for you .

I’m not advocating for him, but if that’s the decision that is made the only viable choices are not to go to matches or go and give them your support. It’s pointless getting on his back, it will be counter productive.

 

It’s really unlikely Saints will ever appoint the type of manager the general consensus among supporters feel we need, without having to rip up the whole SR (Rasmus’s) philosophy. 

[saintant]

33 minutes ago, OldNick said:

But the club do not need to appoint him, they can leave him as he is in a suck it and see situation. The appointment is massive and listening to Simon Peach earlier today on Solent sport it seems the players didnt like WS blunt observations and perhaps we have a bit of a toxic squad (no real surprise as Juric got a similar response)

As I have stated before there is a poor gene pool to choose from so whoever we go for it is hardly going to have a united club behind the decision

It must have been hard for the poor little flowers. Nasty words from the nasty man. How about he was only telling some home truths and their precious egos couldn't handle it. This bunch of players really are hard to like. Obviously didn't put 100% in for Still and couldn't give a fuck that they lost him his job. They didn't like him being honest, it's not something they are used to so he had to go.

[macca155]

Underwhelming if true. However the talent available is desperate. Assuming the likes of Rose and Rodgers won't consider a Championship job, O'Neil was probably the pick of the bunch, God help us. Fans put paid to him quickly.

I have zero faith in Tonda or SR but I'd rather they didn't make another panicky appointment that we end up regretting. However, just leave him in place and see how it goes. No need for any great announcements, we all no the score just let it run for a while.

If the players settle down and start playing with confidence, then Eckert's job will be a lot easier. 

Avoiding any further turmoil is the only positive I can see at the moment.

Even if he does turn out to be a winner then some bastard PL club will nick him. 

[Toussaint]

3 minutes ago, James said:

Sorry but why should fans have any tolerance when this inevitably turns out to be a bad decision? We’ve had to sit through the same mistakes over and over and over. It’s not Tonda’s fault but appointing him off the back of a dodgy away win where any other day we’d get battered and a win against the worst team in the league at home is a shockingly bad decision. It’s tantamount to writing the season off..

 As I said above, I'm not supporting the decision, but if it turns hostile straight away we will be the losers. 

[Toussaint]

5 minutes ago, saintant said:

It must have been hard for the poor little flowers. Nasty words from the nasty man. How about he was only telling some home truths and their precious egos couldn't handle it. This bunch of players really are hard to like. Obviously didn't put 100% in for Still and couldn't give a fuck that they lost him his job. They didn't like him being honest, it's not something they are used to so he had to go.

I feel this is a serious problem with the data driven recruitment / reward process, in any industry, stats don’t reflect strength of character or personality. Some people are masters at satisfying the metrics while achieving little of value. 

[sockeye]

8 minutes ago, saintant said:

It must have been hard for the poor little flowers. Nasty words from the nasty man. How about he was only telling some home truths and their precious egos couldn't handle it. This bunch of players really are hard to like. Obviously didn't put 100% in for Still and couldn't give a fuck that they lost him his job. They didn't like him being honest, it's not something they are used to so he had to go.

The ownership reinforces this IMO, by refusing to admit their mistakes and doubling down on their 'philosophy'.

easy for the players to down tools and avoid self-reflection when the owners do the latter and keep underperforming players in post either for an imaginary resell value that doesn't exist, or because theyre a right good laugh in the dressing room

Edited yesterday at 14:28 by sockeye

[James]

5 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

 As I said above, I'm not supporting the decision, but if it turns hostile straight away we will be the losers. 

It’ll only turn hostile if, as soon as he gets the job full time, we go back to turning in unacceptable performances. If that happens then I would expect the fans to make their feelings known. 

[Roger]

Next Southampton manager betting suspended 

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Roger said:

Next Southampton manager betting suspended 

Odds reflect where punters have placed bets, not the liklihood of an event happening
 

[saintant]

Eckert has presided over a lucky win over a poor QPR who had just been walloped by Ipswich whilst we clung on for dear life during a torrid final 20 minutes which was totally mismanaged plus a win over basket case club Sheff Wed who, despite all their problems, caused us plenty of problems. Prior to said two wins not one fan would have advocated that he be even remotely considered for the vacant managerial position. You couldn't make it up.

[beatlesaint]

Sorry but anyone who puts Bazunu straight back in cos his distribution is good and reinstates Cap'n Jack at first call isn't the kind of manager I would be advocating.

[saintant]

Just now, beatlesaint said:

Sorry but anyone who puts Bazunu straight back in cos his distribution is good and reinstates Cap'n Jack at first call isn't the kind of manager I would be advocating.

Agree but I bet he's super popular in the dressing room.

[Wade Garrett]

Got to be honest, I have to go for the rest of the season because I’ve paid for my season ticket.  Don’t want to though, this appointment is ridiculous.  They need experience and all they’ll end up doing is lose a promising coach who was doing a good job developing players in the U21s.

This will be my last season ticket whilst Sports Republic remain in charge.  They are just a load of fucking clueless cunts taking the piss.  Not going to line their pockets.  

 

[beatlesaint]

Just now, saintant said:

Agree but I bet he's super popular in the dressing room.

Nail on head.

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

It must have been hard for the poor little flowers. Nasty words from the nasty man. How about he was only telling some home truths and their precious egos couldn't handle it. This bunch of players really are hard to like. Obviously didn't put 100% in for Still and couldn't give a fuck that they lost him his job. They didn't like him being honest, it's not something they are used to so he had to go.

If the players fully believe in what the manager is trying to do, fine, they will accept criticism, even if they have lost some games, but if they think he is talking shite and they have no clue what he was trying to do, then it's obviously going to be harder to accept. 

[James]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

Eckert has presided over a lucky win over a poor QPR who had just been walloped by Ipswich whilst we clung on for dear life during a torrid final 20 minutes which was totally mismanaged plus a win over basket case club Sheff Wed who, despite all their problems, caused us plenty of problems. Prior to said two wins not one fan would have advocated that he be even remotely considered for the vacant managerial position. You couldn't make it up.

It’s a ridiculous decision. Rightly or wrongly it seems like G’ON or Eckert. Fans spoke out against G’ON so here we are. Let’s be honest, Skate or not we’d have been much better off with him than a total novice. SR’s Hoddle v Sturrock moment. Let’s hope it turns out better than last time, history tells us it won’t. 

[beatlesaint]

7 minutes ago, James said:

Rightly or wrongly it seems like G’ON or Eckert. Fans spoke out against G’ON so here we are. Let’s be honest, Skate or not we’d have been much better off with him than a total novice. SR’s Hoddle v Sturrock moment. Let’s hope it turns out better than last time, history tells us it won’t. 

Yes I said exactly the same the other day, but apparently it was good for the fans to air their views and discourage the appointment so thats the main thing eh? 🤦‍♂️ 

[Willo of Whiteley]

So basically there is nothing new.

That’s literally it.

I said a week ago I reckon he’ll still be in the dugout for the Charlton game.

What an absolute non-story. 😂

[beatlesaint]

Just now, Willo of Whiteley said:

So basically there is nothing new.

That’s literally it.

I said a week ago I reckon he’ll still be in the dugout for the Charlton game.

What an absolute non-story. 😂

It was Alex Crook tbf....... I dont know why some took it as gospel. 

[tdmickey3]

57 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Captain Jack as player-coach ?

Bazunu as player goalkeeping coach 😱

[stfrancisofbenali]

I think SR were about to appoint GON and then realised they couldn't after the Sheff Weds game. So, we are left with Tonda as no-one else available, affordable or appropriate. Fanbase can't shout no to GON and then complain bitterly about the alternative as well.

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, ally_uk said:

You lot will change tune when he gets us promoted 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Give the lad a chance.......

Promoted from league one? 

[tdmickey3]

Just now, stfrancisofbenali said:

I think SR were about to appoint GON and then realised they couldn't after the Sheff Weds game. So, we are left with Tonda as no-one else available, affordable or appropriate. Fanbase can't shout no to GON and then complain bitterly about the alternative as well.

Yes they can

[pingpong]

Betting closed, with tonda top at the time.  I wouldn't mind him, if he gets it we should get behind him, he's already the most successful saints manager we've had since the promotion year.

[BARCELONASAINT]

Alex Crook.......I will say no more!!

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

If it is him I just hope that the supporters give him a fair go. 

Already made my Eckert Out banner 

[Football Special]

6 minutes ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

I think SR were about to appoint GON and then realised they couldn't after the Sheff Weds game. So, we are left with Tonda as no-one else available, affordable or appropriate. Fanbase can't shout no to GON and then complain bitterly about the alternative as well.

Of course the fan base can, rejecting one terrible option doesn't give the club a pass to appoint another terrible option. 

Sports Republic Out 

[Matthew Le God]

9 minutes ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

I think SR were about to appoint GON and then realised they couldn't after the Sheff Weds game. So, we are left with Tonda as no-one else available, affordable or appropriate. Fanbase can't shout no to GON and then complain bitterly about the alternative as well.

Why can't they? There are more than two potential managers for this club in the world.

[Jack]

6 minutes ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

I think SR were about to appoint GON and then realised they couldn't after the Sheff Weds game. So, we are left with Tonda as no-one else available, affordable or appropriate. Fanbase can't shout no to GON and then complain bitterly about the alternative as well.

They absolutely can. They can expect the board to have a proper plan to appoint a proper football manager, after their latest experiment failed. If they go with Eckhert, that’ll be another disaster. 2 wins against shit opposition doesn’t mean they’ve unearthed some gem, as much as they’d love to take credit for that. 
 

I think as a fanbase the ‘SR out’ noise has to increase week on week, as they keep doubling down on their own incompetence. The Romeu signing had everyone on board, if they’d followed that up with a sensible managerial appointment then maybe they could’ve really turned a corner with the fans. But the silence is deafening and it’s clear they’re just blagging it. 

[beatlesaint]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Why can't they? There are more than two potential managers for this club in the world.

well as far as SR are concerned at this moment it appears not ! 

[Charlie Wayman]

1 hour ago, Ken Tone said:

If .... and it's a big if.... its true tthat they're giving Eckert the job, surely it would only be till the end of the season at first.  Why on earth would they offer a longer contract until/unless he does well over the next few months? 

You answered your own question

[RedArmy]

1 hour ago, ally_uk said:

You lot will change tune when he gets us promoted 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Give the lad a chance.......

I don’t think you can get promoted down. That’s called relegated. 

[davefizzy14]

Surely we are looking to make an appointment based on the fact that we have been interviewing over the last week? 

[Charlie Wayman]

1 hour ago, James said:

Sorry but why should fans have any tolerance when this inevitably turns out to be a bad decision? We’ve had to sit through the same mistakes over and over and over. It’s not Tonda’s fault but appointing him off the back of a dodgy away win where any other day we’d get battered and a win against the worst team in the league at home is a shockingly bad decision. It’s tantamount to writing the season off..

This season is written off anyway so why not give him a go?

[Willo of Whiteley]

2 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

Surely we are looking to make an appointment based on the fact that we have been interviewing over the last week? 

The big question is….. have we been interviewing? 👀

[LeBizzier69]

Does that make this the Tonda Accord?

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

This season is written off anyway so why not give him a go?

Because it could still get worse. Remember what happened last season after we sacked our manager.