New Manager Debate

[trousers]

8 minutes ago, trousers said:

Yes, I did just do a web search on Reinald Gerhad... (you git! 😁)

I'd have him over O'Neil though...

[SaintLondon]

For anyone still thinking he'd be good...
 

 

[Toadhall Saint]

SR would have got to a new low the day I see GON in the home dugout at SMS.

Edited 5 hours ago by Toadhall Saint

[Saint NL]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

Also worth noting that the F.A.B. meeting was before Eckert earned three points. 

 

[Sir Ralph]

7 minutes ago, franniesTache said:

Why would you put aside the fact that he's said he's a pompey fan, he's said their result is the first he looks for, he's said that it's his dream to manage them one day and they hold him up as a legend.

Do you really want to go into a derby at fratton with someone that's said that as our manager?

I didnt realise he said he is a pompey fan so thanks for educating me on that.

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Why is everyone so negative about him though? Put aside the pompey thing why is he a bad appointment?

In what way is he good? He had an initial bounce when he was appointed at Bournemouth before not winning in 8 games and just about surviving at the end of the season. He went to Wolves, had a good first season and then it all came crashing down, long winless runs and got sacked with them in 19th. Where does it suggest he has the qualities required based on one decent season with Wolves to get us firing and up near the playoffs? 

Plus he's a skate. 

[bangkoksaint]

GON doesn’t excite me and I’m pretty ambivalent to his appointment. But honestly people need to get over themselves regarding his Pompey connection. It was the same for Crouchy in the season we got relegated first time from the PL. We will never know but if people had embraced him a bit more maybe he’d have scored enough goals to keep us up. It’s just football 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

For anyone still thinking he'd be good...
 

 

Anyone being alright with someone like that running their club shouldn't seriously call themselves a saints fan. Might as well see if we can rehire Saggy or check what David Norris is doing. 

[woodsaint1]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

No they aren't. The six I touted as possibilities in what way are they worse or not realistic? What does O'Neil bring that makes you think he'd be the best man for the job?

Carrick - I've already covered. He has managed at one Championship team. In his last two seasons he led them to 8th and 10th. Hardly inspiring

Hasenhuttl - I personally dont think he would come back, particularly not in our current situation

Corberan - might be an option, but hes still in charge of Valencia for now which might put off SR

Robins - same as Corberan. Personally see SR moving for somebody out of work right now

Wagner - hasnt done anything of note since taking Huddersfield to the PL about 8 years ago

Carsley - would be a good option but needs to adapt to club management again

GON brings experience of managing not one, but two PL teams to good finishes. Again, I dont think hes an amazing option, but hes certainly not a bad one

[DellBoys]

3 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

GON doesn’t excite me and I’m pretty ambivalent to his appointment. But honestly people need to get over themselves regarding his Pompey connection. It was the same for Crouchy in the season we got relegated first time from the PL. We will never know but if people had embraced him a bit more maybe he’d have scored enough goals to keep us up. It’s just football 

Exactly it’s just a job and we need the best person available to fill it. I’m not saying he is the best person but he can’t be overlooked just because he supported Pompey when he was growing up. 

[Miltonaggro]

49 minutes ago, Badger said:

I think his name has been linked on here before. 

Trendy Portuguese coach, has a beard so might tick some SR boxes.

But you know how we operate, we keep a constant log on coaches and managers to know who is up and coming and might fit our model. Spors ,and Les before him years ago, would scour the continent to keep this current so we can identify who we want at the drop of a hat.

Despite which the option we might end up with Gary O' Fucking-Neil.

Yep, by me i think. I watch a fair bit of portugese PL football and he has done wonders by any standard. More five o clock shadow than beard and a fiery fucker. Paired with Fonte could be exactly what we need, and i think both would come. Hence, no chance! 

[Matthew Le God]

7 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

For anyone still thinking he'd be good...
 

 

 

Worked out for Alan...

[Forester]

8 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

For anyone still thinking he'd be good...
 

 

Yes I watched it.  It starts with “I grew up as a Millwall fan”

[Football Special]

3 hours ago, goodymatt said:

 

That Fan Advisory Board is a farce isn't it  

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Wagner - hasnt done anything of note since taking Huddersfield to the PL about 8 years ago

He kept them up, then took Norwich into the play offs. If that’s considered doing nothing of note, I think you’re in for a disappointing couple of years.  

[SW11_Saint]

6 hours ago, pingpong said:

If we are criticising the mnf appearances as our main source of recruitment, where martin and still both sounded good, what do we make of someone who comes across as absolutely shit?

 

 

 

 

Given what happened with the other two, I’d see this as a positive…

[Saint Scott]

FFS, not O'Neil.

[SW11_Saint]

11 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

For anyone still thinking he'd be good...
 

 

Alan Ball anyone? Loved P*mpey. 

[Sir Ralph]

16 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

In what way is he good? He had an initial bounce when he was appointed at Bournemouth before not winning in 8 games and just about surviving at the end of the season. He went to Wolves, had a good first season and then it all came crashing down, long winless runs and got sacked with them in 19th. Where does it suggest he has the qualities required based on one decent season with Wolves to get us firing and up near the playoffs? 

Plus he's a skate. 

1. He saved b'mouth from relegation. Was fired because Chairman wanted change in direction when he took over they had just lost 9-0 to Liverpool 

2. At Wolves he did really well to begin with. Then they sold £200m of players and they struggled at the start of that season and he was fired. There were mitigating circumstances

3. He helped develop a number of players at wolves including cunha, ait-nouri, etc

I'm not saying he is the best manager ever, but based on track record, who is better? Carrick might be up there. We can complain but we aint exactly attractive

Edited 5 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Football Special]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Anyone being alright with someone like that running their club shouldn't seriously call themselves a saints fan. Might as well see if we can rehire Saggy or check what David Norris is doing. 

He'd get booed walking out the tunnel at his first match, will never work 

Sports Republic do seem to be trying to deliberately sabotage the club so obvious choice for them 

[Toadhall Saint]

3 minutes ago, Forester said:

Yes I watched it.  It starts with “I grew up as a Millwall fan”

Just another reason not to like him then.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, woodsaint1 said:

Carrick - I've already covered. He has managed at one Championship team. In his last two seasons he led them to 8th and 10th. Hardly inspiring. O'Neil hasn't managed any Championship teams. He has one good prem season with Wolves and the rest of the time he has terrible form to show for it. Carrick's first season had Boro in the exact position we are in now and he saw immediate improvement up the table and led them to the playoffs, something which we would bite anyone's hand off if offered it to us. He also know how to get the best out of some of our players. What history of improving players do we have for O'Neil?

Hasenhuttl - I personally dont think he would come back, particularly not in our current situation Maybe not but it's not an unrealistic option, nor is it an uninspiring appointment. 

Corberan - might be an option, but hes still in charge of Valencia for now which might put off SR. Some reports that he will be sacked soon. A much better option than O'Neil. 

Robins - same as Corberan. Personally see SR moving for somebody out of work right now. Maybe so but he's not unrealistic or uninspiring. He would be better than O'Neil if we were minded to get him in. 

Wagner - hasnt done anything of note since taking Huddersfield to the PL about 8 years ago Also got Norwich in the playoffs (look at them now.) Not one I particularly want but has more success in this division than O'neil. 

Carsley - would be a good option but needs to adapt to club management again right but like you said, a good option and better than O'Neil. 

GON brings experience of managing not one, but two PL teams to good finishes. Again, I dont think hes an amazing option, but hes certainly not a bad one 

I don't agree than O'Neil is a good appointment. He had an up and down opening season at Bournemouth, a decent season with Wolves and then a terrible second season where he was rightly sacked. Plus he's a skate. 

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, DellBoys said:

Exactly it’s just a job and we need the best person available to fill it. I’m not saying he is the best person but he can’t be overlooked just because he supported Pompey when he was growing up. 

That's just one reason to add to the other reasons for not appointing him. 

[saintwbu]

Maybe Boro will swoop in and snatch O’Neill from us now that Edwards is off to Wolves - played over 100 games there so here’s hoping!

[Farmer Saint]

13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

In what way is he good? He had an initial bounce when he was appointed at Bournemouth before not winning in 8 games and just about surviving at the end of the season. He went to Wolves, had a good first season and then it all came crashing down, long winless runs and got sacked with them in 19th. Where does it suggest he has the qualities required based on one decent season with Wolves to get us firing and up near the playoffs? 

Plus he's a skate. 

And his football is utterly monotonous.

[Eagle778]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

I don't agree than O'Neil is a good appointment. He had an up and down opening season at Bournemouth, a decent season with Wolves and then a terrible second season where he was rightly sacked. Plus he's a skate. 

You can see the day and light the difference between O’Neil and Areola and how Bournemouth have pushed on since then.

[revolution saint]

Completely uninspiring list of candidates so far and picking the least worst is a job in itself. Meh.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

1. He saved b'mouth from relegation. Was fired because Chairman wanted change in direction

Eh? Bournemouth survived when he took charge for almost the whole season. They had played 4 games when he took over and had 3 points, hardly rock bottom after half a season. When he got the job permanently in November he went eight games without winning and managed to keep them up with a strong end to the season. 

2. At Wolves he did really well to begin with. Then they sold £200m of players and they struggled at the start of that season and he was fired. There were mitigating circumstances

There may well have been but I haven't seen sustained success from him, I haven't seen him be a success in this league either. Have a look at Wolves and their opinion of him. Boils down to nice bloke but just not up to the job. 

3. He helped develop a number of players at wolves including cunha, ait-nouri, etc

I'm not saying he is the best manager ever, but based on track record, who is better? Carrick might be up there. We can complain but we aint exactly attractive

I listed who I felt was better above. Even the person trying to push back against that has accepted that the names I posted were better options. As someone else said, he's the type of manager who isn't particularly tactically astute and has had some mild success by being a nice guy. That's before we mention the fact that he is very much a skate. 

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

And his football is utterly monotonous.

That too. 

[malcolm waldron]

8 minutes ago, Eagle778 said:

You can see the day and light the difference between O’Neil and Areola and how Bournemouth have pushed on since then.

Are you saying we should go for Areola then?  I'm up for that and the Bournemouth connection (is he a fan?) wouldn't bother me......

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 minutes ago, Eagle778 said:

You can see the day and light the difference between O’Neil and Areola and how Bournemouth have pushed on since then.

That doesn’t diminish him, it’s like saying look how Southampton pushed on after Adkins left. 
 

Let’s not rewrite history here. He did well to keep Bournemouth up after a shocking start under Parker (who has 2 promotions under his belt). They could easily have mirrored our first SR relegation, but he got a grip & sorted them out. First season after promotion as well, which we were told was remarkably difficult last season. 
 

I don’t particularly want him, but his record is ok. Remember we had supporters telling us Eddie Howe wasn’t good enough for us because he got relegated with Bournemouth, now O Neil isn’t even though he didn’t. Not my first choice, or second, but there aren’t many to choose from in our bag really. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

That doesn’t diminish him, it’s like saying look how Southampton pushed on after Adkins left. 
 

Let’s not rewrite history here. He did well to keep Bournemouth up after a shocking start under Parker (who has 2 promotions under his belt). They could easily have mirrored our first SR relegation, but he got a grip & sorted them out. First season after promotion as well, which we were told was remarkably difficult last season. 
 

I don’t particularly want him, but his record is ok. Remember we had supporters telling us Eddie Howe wasn’t good enough for us because he got relegated with Bournemouth, now O Neil isn’t even though he didn’t. Not my first choice, or second, but there aren’t many to choose from in our bag really. 

There were fans ridiculing Rob Edwards and Lampard this summer, when touted for Saints.

Throw is the number celebrations at the 9/10 transfer windows.

i think there is sufficient evidence that, prior to a bit of proof, we fans have no idea in general.

[Zorba]

19 minutes ago, Football Special said:

That Fan Advisory Board is a farce isn't it  

No, that’s..

Fans Against Rasmus’s Crap Ethos

 

[AlexLaw76]

Also, the Pompey connection,

given the utter drab affair, on and off the pitch, of the last game against them, you could forgive the entire world looking over it in the reporting.

matters to us mind, but would soon be forgotten after a few good results and some jazz hands to the Northam.

”oh Gary Gary, you used to be a skate but you’re alright now”

[saintant]

Does O'Neil play 3 centre halves? If not I'm in.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Also, the Pompey connection,

given the utter drab affair, on and off the pitch, of the last game against them, you could forgive the entire world looking over it in the reporting.

matters to us mind, but would soon be forgotten after a few good results and some jazz hands to the Northam.

”oh Gary Gary, you used to be a skate but you’re alright now”

Imagine Rangers fans accepting a Celtic legend who previously described themselves s a Celtic fan as their manager. Would never happen. It's already happened here once with Saggy which was an absolute fucking disgrace. We are beyond soft if this goes ahead without comment. 

[Wade Garrett]

30 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Anyone being alright with someone like that running their club shouldn't seriously call themselves a saints fan. Might as well see if we can rehire Saggy or check what David Norris is doing. 

I am a Saints fan and couldn’t give a shit that O’Neil played for Pompey, or that Bally managed Pompey, or that JWP and Bobby Stokes were from Pompey.

Not one shiny shit and I’ve been a Saints supporter for 50odd years.  So I will seriously call myself a Saints fan and not a fucking big baby jumping on the fucking bandwagon.

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Imagine Rangers fans accepting a Celtic legend who previously described themselves s a Celtic fan as their manager. Would never happen. It's already happened here once with Saggy which was an absolute fucking disgrace. We are beyond soft if this goes ahead without comment. 

But, reality is as shown in the last game Against Pompey and our fan base in general, we are pretty laid back and… compliant.

far cry from Rangers and Celtic

Edited 4 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I am a Saints fan and couldn’t give a shit that O’Neil played for Pompey, or that Bally managed Pompey, or that JWP and Bobby Stokes were from Pompey.

Not one shiny shit and I’ve been a Saints supporter for 50odd years.  So I will seriously call myself a Saints fan and not a fucking big baby jumping on the fucking bandwagon.

You never cared about the skate history of Saggy chops?

[Eagle778]

15 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

That doesn’t diminish him, it’s like saying look how Southampton pushed on after Adkins left. 
 

Let’s not rewrite history here. He did well to keep Bournemouth up after a shocking start under Parker (who has 2 promotions under his belt). They could easily have mirrored our first SR relegation, but he got a grip & sorted them out. First season after promotion as well, which we were told was remarkably difficult last season. 
 

I don’t particularly want him, but his record is ok. Remember we had supporters telling us Eddie Howe wasn’t good enough for us because he got relegated with Bournemouth, now O Neil isn’t even though he didn’t. Not my first choice, or second, but there aren’t many to choose from in our bag really. 

Adkins didn’t have the level to manage in the PL, and that was proved with his track record in the following seasons.

[Hopper]

If Gary O'neil is the answer, we're asking the wrong questions.

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

You never cared about the skate history of Saggy chops?

I remember his return with QPR, I was there. They won, lots of signing but hardly edgy, gritty stuff.

we are a fan base that clapped the team off most of last season, and only now a small portion are really against SR, with a few more half-arsed singing about them in the last few matches.

Edited 4 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Wade Garrett]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

You never cared about the skate history of Saggy chops?

Nope.  Couldn’t give a fuck.

[James G]

10 minutes ago, saintant said:

Does O'Neil play 3 centre halves? If not I'm in.

He is flexible, I've read. He's played 6 or 7 systems over the years. It's counter attacking football though

[Sir Ralph]

25 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I listed who I felt was better above. Even the person trying to push back against that has accepted that the names I posted were better options. As someone else said, he's the type of manager who isn't particularly tactically astute and has had some mild success by being a nice guy. That's before we mention the fact that he is very much a skate. 

I'm not going to die in the ditch for the guy as I dont care that much for him but he did do well to keep Bournemouth up, in my opinion. When he took over at the end of August they had lost their previous 3 matches 9-0, 4-0 and 3-0. They were a mess and he got them safe by April. If saints had got hammered like that and we had got a manger in who saved us in April I think we would have said that was reasonably successful given the circumstances. Surely it shows he has the ability to bring together a group of players low on confidence to salvage something

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I remember his return with QPR, I was there. They won, lots of signing but hardly edgy, gritty stuff.

we are a fan base that clapped the team off most of last season, and only now a small portion are really against SR, with a few more half-arsed singing about them in the last few matches.

I do understand it's not as black and white as someone like Lowe given that it is generally accepted that Solak has put money in. I get the protests like that are kind of half arsed for that reason. 

[Dr Who?]

48 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

For anyone still thinking he'd be good...
 

 

That made me feel quite sick. But I am also a grown 50 year old man. I think he could do a great job for us. He has the experience that we need. Things change, only time will tell. 

lets face it most on here will NEVER be happy! 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

I'm not going to die in the ditch for the guy as I dont care that much for him but he did do well to keep Bournemouth up, in my opinion. When he took over at the end of August they had lost their previous 3 matches 9-0, 4-0 and 3-0. They were a mess and he got them safe by April. If saints had got hammered like that and we had got a manger in who saved us in April I think we would have said that was reasonably successful given the circumstances.

 

Yep he had reasonable success for a season at Bournemouth (with some dodgy bits in between) and a good season at Wolves. He then had a terrible season at Wolves resulting in his deserved sacking with the vast majority of Wolves fans thinking he was a nice bloke but not up to it. None of them wanted him back when he was linked recently. 

[SaintMinion]

33 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Maybe Boro will swoop in and snatch O’Neill from us now that Edwards is off to Wolves - played over 100 games there so here’s hoping!

He is not popular there according to my Boro mate, he admitted in his book that he deliberately got booked and suspended so he could watch the Ryder Cup, when a Boro player.

[AlexLaw76]

If he plays 5 at the back, I think a little bit of me will die