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  1. 1. Your Choice of Manager?


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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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5 minutes ago, DT said:

Latest odds:

 

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/southampton/next-permanent-manager

 

Eckert, O'Neill, Rodgers, Carrick.

Not sure they know anything (the bookies)

Amused (terrified) to see Jesse Marsch in there.

Odds reflect where punters have placed bets, not the liklihood of an event happening.

All it takes is for a few Saints fans to read and place bets after Alan Nixon or Alex Crook have said a random manager is getting the job and that manager's odds will shorten even though the story is nonsense.

It does not take much money in next manger odd markets to move them.

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Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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It’s going to get to the point of beggars can’t be choosers very quickly 😂

For example, Russell Martin is far from anyone’s interest right now but if you were left with the options of him, Jesse Marsch, Tonda Eckhart or Gary O’Neill…

AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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Just now, Willo of Whiteley said:

It’s going to get to the point of beggars can’t be choosers very quickly 😂

For example, Russell Martin is far from anyone’s interest right now but if you were left with the options of him, Jesse Marsch, Tonda Eckhart or Gary O’Neill…

but we don;t have a choice of Jesse Marsch, do we. 

SW11_Saint

SW11_Saint

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20 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Got to be Viera.
 

He really fancies living in Winchester, but less keen on Romsey. 
 

 

Wondering if Viera - despite his iffy managerial record - might be an optimal choice… big name, bit of ‘glamour’/media attention, potential loans from Arsenal/Man City, and perhaps most importantly from an SR perspective - the chance to promote TE as #2 (as he was at Genoa), with an eye on succession planning…

[NB I doubt very much he wants the job!]

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Toussaint

Toussaint

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10 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

It’s going to get to the point of beggars can’t be choosers very quickly 😂

For example, Russell Martin is far from anyone’s interest right now but if you were left with the options of him, Jesse Marsch, Tonda Eckhart or Gary O’Neill…

I’d have all 3 before Martin. 

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vectraman

vectraman

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Looking at the realistic options on that list, I’m guessing Carrick is the most obvious? Assuming SR don’t go full SR and appoint Tonda…..

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West end Saints

West end Saints

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46 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Odds reflect where punters have placed bets, not the liklihood of an event happening.

All it takes is for a few Saints fans to read and place bets after Alan Nixon or Alex Crook have said a random manager is getting the job and that manager's odds will shorten even though the story is nonsense.

It does not take much money in next manger odd markets to move them.

Although that is partly true it does not negate that it can be influenced by the likelihood of who the manager will be.

There have been several occasions, from memory, when there have been concerns about inside information impacting on markets (was it Harry R or is that just me stereotyping?).

Also, market will also be influenced by genuine possibilities.

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skintsaint

skintsaint

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23 minutes ago, vectraman said:

Looking at the realistic options on that list, I’m guessing Carrick is the most obvious? Assuming SR don’t go full SR and appoint Tonda…..

Thought Carrick was going to Swansea...

SW11_Saint

SW11_Saint

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23 minutes ago, vectraman said:

Looking at the realistic options on that list, I’m guessing Carrick is the most obvious? Assuming SR don’t go full SR and appoint Tonda…..

SR ‘doing SR’ is worryingly likely…

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UpweySaint

UpweySaint

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52 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Odds reflect where punters have placed bets, not the liklihood of an event happening.

All it takes is for a few Saints fans to read and place bets after Alan Nixon or Alex Crook have said a random manager is getting the job and that manager's odds will shorten even though the story is nonsense.

It does not take much money in next manger odd markets to move them.

Betting odds reflect the betting market but also take into account other factors that impact on probability. As an absurd hypothetical - Poch quits the USA citing his desire to rekindle his love of Southampton. He might not get the job. People might not bet on him. But the odds would naturally come down to protect the bookies profit margins in case it DID happen. Or, for a less absurd example, the odds are likely to be lower for somebody without a club with championship experience even if nobody is betting on them specifically. 

I take the point that in the absence of much concrete information about who we are looking at fluctuations are most likely a result of betting patterns but reject your conclusion that odds do not reflect the likelihood of an event happening. That’s what they are.

 

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East Kent Saint

East Kent Saint

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7 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Thought Carrick was going to Swansea...

Apparently the last manager got a few good results before being appointed ,  since then Swansea have 4 wins so he had to go . So interim managers should not be judged by their early results before appointment full time 😄

Fabrice29

Fabrice29

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56 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said:

Wondering if Viera - despite his iffy managerial record - might be an optimal choice… big name, bit of ‘glamour’/media attention, potential loans from Arsenal/Man City, and perhaps most importantly from an SR perspective - the chance to promote TE as #2 (as he was at Genoa), with an eye on succession planning…

[NB I doubt very much he wants the job!]

Cwoooor everything you want from your manager. So exciting 🤣

Thripp87

Thripp87

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Tonda is getting the gig, this season is irrelevant now anyway. May as well give it to him and wait for better options in the summer.

Plus I piled in at 15/2 before the QPR game.

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SW11_Saint

SW11_Saint

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1 minute ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I’m fully expecting Tonda to be announced as the new manager on the Monday after the Charlton game

Thumping win for Charlton then…

SaintN14

SaintN14

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It's been 10 days since Will Still left.

Is it unrealistic to expect the club to give fans an update on the process?

When are the Fan Advisory Board next due to assemble?

 

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Turkish

Turkish

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1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

Got to be Viera.
 

He really fancies living in Winchester, but less keen on Romsey. 
 

 

Do we need to get Stu Romsey Saints to take him on a tour of Romsey? Maybe they could meet up for "chat"

Turkish

Turkish

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1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Odds reflect where punters have placed bets, not the liklihood of an event happening.

All it takes is for a few Saints fans to read and place bets after Alan Nixon or Alex Crook have said a random manager is getting the job and that manager's odds will shorten even though the story is nonsense.

It does not take much money in next manger odd markets to move them.

thanks for telling us this for the 10,000th time 

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James

James

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9 minutes ago, Thripp87 said:

Tonda is getting the gig, this season is irrelevant now anyway. May as well give it to him and wait for better options in the summer.

Plus I piled in at 15/2 before the QPR game.

Why is this season irrelevant? We are 3 wins off the playoffs. Giving the job to Tonda would be a ridiculous decision in my view. 

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trousers

trousers

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3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

thanks for telling us this for the 10,000th time 

I had a bet on him telling us again... Just before the odds dropped massively... Kerching! ;)

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trousers

trousers

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5 minutes ago, SaintN14 said:

Is it unrealistic to expect the club to give fans an update on the process?

Given their apparent penchant for pulling out of 'difficult' interviews, I would suggest totally unrealistic...

Turkish

Turkish

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2 minutes ago, trousers said:

I had a bet on him telling us again... Just before the odds dropped massively... Kerching! ;)

Odds reflect where punters have placed bets, not the liklihood of an event happening

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a1ex2001

a1ex2001

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5 minutes ago, James said:

Why is this season irrelevant? We are 3 wins off the playoffs. Giving the job to Tonda would be a ridiculous decision in my view. 

Totally agree writing of this season is mental, I think our shot at the auto's is gone but there is nearly always a team that climbs up into the play offs and we are not that far off.

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notnowcato

notnowcato

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1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Odds reflect where punters have placed bets, not the liklihood of an event happening.

All it takes is for a few Saints fans to read and place bets after Alan Nixon or Alex Crook have said a random manager is getting the job and that manager's odds will shorten even though the story is nonsense.

It does not take much money in next manger odd markets to move them.

Not true, movement in odds is not exclusive to Saints fans placing money in the market. 

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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Just now, notnowcato said:

Not true, movement in odds is not exclusive to Saints fans placing money in the market. 

I did not say it was exclusive to Saints fans.

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notnowcato

notnowcato

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Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

I did not say it was

Yes you did

”All it takes is a few Saints fans to place bets”

In fact, it doesn’t have to be a few, it could be 1 or 100. 
 

Please be more specific in your posts. 

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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3 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Yes you did

”All it takes is a few Saints fans to place bets”

In fact, it doesn’t have to be a few, it could be 1 or 100. 
 

Please be more specific in your posts. 

That sentence does not imply exclusivity. It provided an example.

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CSA96

CSA96

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BBC reporting that Gary O'Neil, Will Still and Jon Dahl Tomasson have all had initial interviews with Norwich

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skintsaint

skintsaint

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1 minute ago, CSA96 said:

BBC reporting that Gary O'Neil, Will Still and Jon Dahl Tomasson have all had initial interviews with Norwich

Looking at the comments not many Norwich fans want Still...

Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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26 minutes ago, SaintN14 said:

It's been 10 days since Will Still left.

Is it unrealistic to expect the club to give fans an update on the process?

When are the Fan Advisory Board next due to assemble?

 

On a side note, did anyone even know we had a fan advisory board until a week ago? 😂

Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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9 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

BBC reporting that Gary O'Neil, Will Still and Jon Dahl Tomasson have all had initial interviews with Norwich

I doubt Will still interviewed. He’s been back in Belgium with family pretty since his sacking.

Pinch of salt that.

CamSaint

CamSaint

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24 minutes ago, SaintN14 said:

It's been 10 days since Will Still left.

Is it unrealistic to expect the club to give fans an update on the process?

How many interviews would Spors require for the 'preferred candidate(s)'? Martin said that he had numerous interviews before being appointed at Rangers, and Ekhart said that he had 4 (I think) interviews at Saints before getting the U-21 job. I know both of those situations were in the close season, but I'd imagine that Spors & the Board would want to interview those short listed more than once........ 

pimpin4rizeal

pimpin4rizeal

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I don’t really get the upside of appointment these young inexperienced managers on the up and I’d have even included rohl in that category it’s not like your gonna make profits out of it it just means the manager is way more unproven and risky then going for someone with a lot of experience 

Turkish

Turkish

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8 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

May the odds be ever in your favour. 

it would only take a few members of saintsweb to bet against Trousers for that to change

Odds reflect where punters have placed bets, not the liklihood of an event happening

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Doctoroncall

Doctoroncall

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8 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

On a side note, did anyone even know we had a fan advisory board until a week ago? 😂

Yes, been going on for years. There is a whole section on the website, including meeting minutes. 

MarkSFC

MarkSFC

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17 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I doubt Will still interviewed. He’s been back in Belgium with family pretty since his sacking.

Pinch of salt that.

Theres such things as Teams, Zoom, Goole Meet etc which makes talking "in person" so much easier nowadays😂

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Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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19 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I doubt Will still interviewed. He’s been back in Belgium with family pretty since his sacking.

Pinch of salt that.

You seem very well-informed on Still’s whereabouts….

skintsaint

skintsaint

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23 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I doubt Will still interviewed. He’s been back in Belgium with family pretty since his sacking.

Pinch of salt that.

Not like you can't conduct an interview via Teams or such is it?

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tdmickey3

tdmickey3

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13 hours ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

Photoshoot booked in for 10am tomorrow 👀🤐

Have they run out of film or are they waiting for them to come back from Truprint

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Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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I’m calling bullshit on the photoshoot of its manager related.

There’s no way anything like that wouldn’t leak, then again if it’s Tonda Eckhart who would know the difference. 😂

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Toussaint

Toussaint

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10 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

For the women's team nude 2026 charity calendar photo shoot?

I’ll take one, or two, big supporter of charity me, not a dirty old letch at all. 

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