January Transfer Window

[Chez]

24 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Feyenoord monitoring Edozie.

I know it's phraseology, but "monitoring" what exactly? Monitoring whether anyone else puts a bid in before they offer buttons at the 12th hour?

They are "considering making an approach". I'd of thought if they were interested, they'd of enquired some time ago (which they may have). I guess the later teams leave it the better deal they think they can get. Just how much if his wages do they want us to pay you wonder? 

[Saint Scott]

39 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Feyenoord monitoring Edozie.

They can have him in exchange for Ayase Ueda

[Chez]

30 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

Everton have Keane, Tarkowski, Branthwaite (now fit) and O'Brien. Where does THB fit in?

[UpweySaint]

8 minutes ago, Chez said:

Everton have Keane, Tarkowski, Branthwaite (now fit) and O'Brien. Where does THB fit in?

Yeah I’m not sure I see it. Maybe monitoring is ‘an as option should Brathwaite leave in the summer’.

I can’t see them dropping £20mil on THB in January but they could come back in the summer. I read they need a right back so I expect they’ll be prioritising that if anything in January.

 

[Turkish]

50 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

That’ll be a loan surely? Can’t see us selling him for less than we paid 

[Suhari]

16 minutes ago, Chez said:

Everton have Keane, Tarkowski, Branthwaite (now fit) and O'Brien. Where does THB fit in?

In the dugouts. They're the bestestest.

[goodymatt]

 

[SuperSAINT]

3 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

Absolutely nailed-on that West Ham will want THB in the summer to add to their “let’s rebuild Southampton’s terrible relegation side” project they’ve been piecing together for a few years.

[goodymatt]

So to summarise, we are desperate to sign a striker but not a single one linked all window other than very loose Piroe assumptions.

Ins - Peretz, Bree return

Outgoings - Edwards, Bazunu, Downs, Fraser.

Linked with leaving:

Larios - recalled and permanent move pending confirmation

Archer - linked with Rangers

Arma - Linked with Wrexham, Boro, Stoke and Ipswich plus ‘options’ abroad

Edozie - linked with Feyenoord

THB - linked with Burnley, Everton and WHU

Aribo - likely sit on our wages till summer.

Linked with arriving:

Unknown striker

18yo CB

[Harry_SFC]

Lots of rumours about first team players leaving and the only rumoured in we've had is an 18 year old centre back no one has ever heard of. Classic. 

[Chez]

 

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

That’ll be a loan surely? Can’t see us selling him for less than we paid 

Probably. Even at a discount, Rangers don't spend £10m+ these days

With PSR, clubs seem to keep players on the books, letting their value depreciate (while they are perhaps sent out on loan) rather than selling earlier at a loss. 

Someone who knows accounting and PSR better than me can put me straight, but I guess it's along the lines:
Buy £20m (player on a 4 year deal). Player value goes down £5m each year. After year 1, value is down to £15m, with £5m 'loss' accounted for in PSR. Alternatively, if you sell that player for £10m after one year, that puts a £10m hole in your accounts rather than the £5m depreciation. For me, getting £10m back is better than £0 if you allowed the player to stay for four years while continually going out on loan, but maybe PSR is more of an issue than cash flow.

Edited 2 hours ago by Chez

[BotleySaint]

5 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Lots of rumours about first team players leaving and the only rumoured in we've had is an 18 year old centre back no one has ever heard of. Classic. 

Standard SR tactics as per our last promotion to the Premier League. Sell experience, gamble on youth.

[Chez]

5 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

So to summarise, we are desperate to sign a striker but not a single one linked all window other than very loose Piroe assumptions.

Not sure the cub are "desperate" to sign a striker. 

[Saint86]

8 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Lots of rumours about first team players leaving and the only rumoured in we've had is an 18 year old centre back no one has ever heard of. Classic. 

If we're really lucky, could be the first signs of SR cashing out...

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Lots of rumours about first team players leaving and the only rumoured in we've had is an 18 year old centre back no one has ever heard of. Classic. 

The great fix has started!

[Saint NL]

Under 21 coach promoted to first team coach.

Sell all the players.

Under 21 players promoted to first team.

 

Genius if you think about it

[coalman]

13 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Lots of rumours about first team players leaving and the only rumoured in we've had is an 18 year old centre back no one has ever heard of. Classic. 

When you fill your team with mediocrity that you then have to loan out because you can't sell then this is where you wind up.

[goodymatt]

6 minutes ago, Chez said:

Not sure the cub are "desperate" to sign a striker. 

Well those words have been used by excitable journalists but we really should be: 

Arma - looks off

Archer - trying to leave again?

Downs - already loaned out

Stewart - not able to stay fit for long

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

Scores goals for fun in this league - 3 in 17 last time for Leeds;

so pretty much a goal every other game, not to be sniffed at 🙏🙏🙏🤞🤞

[goodymatt]

Maybe Boro won’t go for Armstrong after all , instead they are going for the guy Downs has replaced? 🤔 

[goodymatt]

Usual Alex Crook echo chamber.

Does feel like one of those 2 will be leaving though. But who is their replacement?!

[Chez]

50 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

They can have him in exchange for Ayase Ueda

Good luck making that deal. He's scoring goals for fun for them isn't he? 

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

Does feel like one of those 2 will be leaving though. But who is their replacement?!

If I was Archer, I'd be looking for a move. If I was Armstrong I wouldn't turn my nose up at a move to Boro or Wrexham.
A little `smoke' around both does suggests that moves are possible, but they will be dependant on us finding someone. 

[Chez]

34 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

Dylan Lawlor might be a good replacement, although Cardiff would be reluctant sellers.

[Saint Scott]

7 minutes ago, Chez said:

Good luck making that deal. He's scoring goals for fun for them isn't he? 

18 in 19 league games. Not happening, but they're now out of Europe and despite being second in the league are 14 points off leaders PSV...

[Saint Scott]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

Dylan Lawlor might be a good replacement, although Cardiff would be reluctant sellers.

Linked with the likes of Bayern, Liverpool and Real Madrid

[Patches O Houlihan]

32 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Lots of rumours about first team players leaving and the only rumoured in we've had is an 18 year old centre back no one has ever heard of. Classic. 

We did feel this way in the summer and then Fellows, Azaz and Scienza all appeared with little chat beforehand. Not saying it will happen this time of course.

[Chez]

12 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Linked with the likes of Bayern, Liverpool and Real Madrid

Quite a jump from league 1. Its mute as he won't leave Cardiff for us.

[ally_uk]

I reckon Dragan has had enough and is clearing the decks 

[Farmer Saint]

We're not bringing players in (certainly perms unless incredibly cheap). We spent so much in the Summer and then getting rid of Still we're not prepared to spend any more.

[Miltonaggro]

52 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

so pretty much a goal every other game, not to be sniffed at 🙏🙏🙏🤞🤞

I know, potentially a January classic!

[Matthew Le God]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

We're not bringing players in (certainly perms unless incredibly cheap). We spent so much in the Summer and then getting rid of Still we're not prepared to spend any more.

How do you know that?

[Miltonaggro]

1 hour ago, goodymatt said:

So to summarise, we are desperate to sign a striker but not a single one linked all window other than very loose Piroe assumptions.

Ins - Peretz, Bree return

Outgoings - Edwards, Bazunu, Downs, Fraser.

Linked with leaving:

Larios - recalled and permanent move pending confirmation

Archer - linked with Rangers

Arma - Linked with Wrexham, Boro, Stoke and Ipswich plus ‘options’ abroad

Edozie - linked with Feyenoord

THB - linked with Burnley, Everton and WHU

Aribo - likely sit on our wages till summer.

Linked with arriving:

Unknown striker

18yo CB

For me, right now, shaping up for a 7.5 out of 10 window.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

We’d only loan them to Goztepe if we did.

It's rubbish being their feeder club. They get all the cool things...like points. 🙂

[Chez]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

We're not bringing players in (certainly perms unless incredibly cheap). We spent so much in the Summer and then getting rid of Still we're not prepared to spend any more.

Makes sense. No one was complaining about a lack of spending last summer. It's not a bottomless pit. The players that are here need to up their game, come together as a side and start getting some results.  Hopefully there will be some money to spend next summer, although it will require plenty more outward loans and might require sales of the likes of Armstrong to fund it.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

 

Probably. Even at a discount, Rangers don't spend £10m+ the days

With PSR, clubs seem to keep players on the books, letting their value depreciate (while they are perhaps sent out on loan) rather than selling earlier at a loss. 

Someone who knows accounting and PSR better than me can put me straight, but I guess it's along the lines:
Buy £20m (player on a 4 year deal). Player value goes down £5m each year. After year 1, value is down to £15m, with £5m 'loss' accounted for in PSR. Alternatively, if you sell that player for £10m after one year, that puts a £10m hole in your accounts rather than the £5m depreciation. For me, getting £10m back is better than £0 if you allowed the player to stay for four years while continually going out on loan, but maybe PSR is more of an issue than cash flow.

As it stands now, getting the current value taking amortisation into account, should be considered.

But the club is such a tactical basket case. The next manager we get might well want two up front, with one of them being more of a finisher. So, more like Archer.

They have to obtain some knowledge of what they think it's going to take for promotion, and what that squad should be like. But they are more concerned with player trading than coherent team building. 

1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

Absolutely nailed-on that West Ham will want THB in the summer to add to their “let’s rebuild Southampton’s terrible relegation side” project they’ve been piecing together for a few years.

There's a nice feeling knowing we can doom other clubs with our player sales. See also Leicester.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

16 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

For me, right now, shaping up for a 7.5 out of 10 window.

Is that just not having to watch Baz in goal for a while? 🙂

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

There's a nice feeling knowing we can doom other clubs with our player sales. See also Leicester.

 

I still chuckle at them taking Vestergaard and Bertrand. Before that, offloading McGoldrick (and getting Sir Rickie using the funds), Fox and Harding to Forest.

[Saint86]

33 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

I reckon Dragan has had enough and is clearing the decks 

You aren't alone. I guess the next couple of days will give some clarity. If we do sell THB, AA, and Archer, without significant reinvestment, then we'd have blatantly given up on this season and potentially any pretext of getting promoted - and it really would start to look like them readying for a sale.

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

You aren't alone. I guess the next couple of days will give some clarity. If we do sell THB, AA, and Archer, without significant reinvestment, then we'd have blatantly given up on this season and potentially any pretext of getting promoted - and it really would start to look like them readying for a sale.

Good news. I want the cancer removed -both players and the management. Some short term pain for long term gain 

[SNSUN]

47 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

I know, potentially a January classic!

The window shuts in February so there's hope yet. Im not sure if I want to follow the Deadline Day on Monday or lie in a darkened room and hide.

[Turkish]

46 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

How do you know that?

[captainchris]

Really strange that Edozie has been ostracised???? What exactly is going on behind the scenes? When you consider some of the players we have brought in who are downright crap it truly makes you gasp… 

[leesaint88]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

Dylan Lawlor might be a good replacement, although Cardiff would be reluctant sellers.

They are in trouble with the EFL at the moment though..

[Miltonaggro]

29 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

The window shuts in February so there's hope yet. Im not sure if I want to follow the Deadline Day on Monday or lie in a darkened room and hide.

Unlikely to be a Carillo or Ankersen Brewster’s millions window this time. Not that this is much relief. 

[Tamesaint]

Yes we spent a lot in the summer but we also received c. £70 million for Matty and Dibling. Surely the kitty isn't empty. 

 

 

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, captainchris said:

Really strange that Edozie has been ostracised???? What exactly is going on behind the scenes? When you consider some of the players we have brought in who are downright crap it truly makes you gasp… 

Absolutely no idea. Still said he was injured but then reports came out that he's been fit all year. Even if we didn't want him long term you'd think we'd have been playing him to keep his value up. 

[Chez]

53 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

You aren't alone. I guess the next couple of days will give some clarity. If we do sell THB, AA, and Archer, without significant reinvestment, then we'd have blatantly given up on this season and potentially any pretext of getting promoted - and it really would start to look like them readying for a sale.

I'd of thought Dragon would want to be in the PL before selling, otherwise he will lose money. I would guess its pretty tough selling championship sides for good money too. Getting to the PL is not beyond the realms of imagination this or next season. With one more parachute payment year left, SR will think they have a decent chance of promotion. We may struggle to see that happening right now, but they probably don't.

 

[sotonjoe]

1 hour ago, Saint86 said:

You aren't alone. I guess the next couple of days will give some clarity. If we do sell THB, AA, and Archer, without significant reinvestment, then we'd have blatantly given up on this season and potentially any pretext of getting promoted - and it really would start to look like them readying for a sale.

How would reducing the quality of the playing squad and deciding to target a bottom half championship make the club more attractive to a buyer?

[Chez]

8 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Yes we spent a lot in the summer but we also received c. £70 million for Matty and Dibling. Surely the kitty isn't empty. 

 

For what its worth, transfermarkt says transfers:

24/25 -EUR81.46m

25/26 +EUR73.46m

But transfer fees are only a part of the financial story. The parachute payment is a lot less than the PL money. Wages are less, to help offset that.  But the long and short of it is that the club losses money and transfers have had to make up the shortfall to the tune of about £25m-35m over the last few years. We shall see what the 2005 accounts say in a few months, but I doubt we are flush.