Saints 1-2 Hull - Match Thread

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

I was doing dry January until today.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, andrew7610 said:

At 2-1 I thought we'd throw the kitchen sink at them, but by Christ we possess ZERO attacking aerial threat.

So we persist with lumping balls into the box. We might as well refuse to take corners and just let our opponents have a goal kick, we are so fucking useless at them.

Manning again. One fluke free kick v Wrexham and he’s on set pieces for 46 games.

Another Russell Martin Wankers collection member. 

[Appy]

I wonder if the 08/09 Wotte/Poortvliet side beats this lot, current side is more talented but 08/09 team had more about them. Which isn’t saying much. 

[Appy]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Manning again. One fluke free kick v Wrexham and he’s on set pieces for 46 games.

Another Russell Martin Wankers collection member. 

“Manning again” when we get a set piece too. 
 

Should’ve been sung when we got the assist for Hull’s first. 

[Badger]

53 minutes ago, The Realist said:

Bring back Russell Martin please! 

Big fuck off to this, even if said in jest.

We’re still seeing his legacy frankly from the ‘roll over and have your tummy tickled’ mentality in the EPL, having created a cosy culture of days off etc for the players. Wouldn’t want that prick back.

The big error though remains the club not crushing that culture and bringing someone in to do it. 

[Sheaf Saint]

50 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

And probably crucially, kept our best crosser of the ball on the pitch with him. 

Nah, that would be too obvious. It's not the Southampton way.

[sambosa75]

Does make you wonder at what point does Solak realise Sport Republic are completely clueless and force them out to protect at least a portion of his investment.  They’ve repeatedly proven themselves totally bereft of ideas on how to run a successful club off the pitch and most importantly on it.

I can’t fault the money that Solak has spent on the club.  The big issue is on what and whom.  It has been an absolute clinic in comedy recruitment from leadership to coaching staff to players. If it wasn’t my club I would find it absolutely hilarious.

Do something, Dragan.  Quickly.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

9 minutes ago, Badger said:

Big fuck off to this, even if said in jest.

We’re still seeing his legacy frankly from the ‘roll over and have your tummy tickled’ mentality in the EPL, having created a cosy culture of days off etc for the players. Wouldn’t want that prick back.

The big error though remains the club not crushing that culture and bringing someone in to do it. 

Yep, that attitude did my head in and looks like it's carried forward into this season. 

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, sambosa75 said:

Does make you wonder at what point does Solak realise Sport Republic are completely clueless and force them out to protect at least a portion of his investment.  They’ve repeatedly proven themselves totally bereft of ideas on how to run a successful club off the pitch and most importantly on it.

I can’t fault the money that Solak has spent on the club.  The big issue is on what and whom.  It has been an absolute clinic in comedy recruitment from leadership to coaching staff to players. If it wasn’t my club I would find it absolutely hilarious.

Do something, Dragan.  Quickly.

He's had plenty of time to, and sadly the time is now up. He's run out of rope.

He's intertwined with all of this just as much as Rasmus and co as far as I'm concerned. He put himself as our Chairman 10 months ago as he wanted to oversee things closer, and be closer to the decisions - that was his last attempt to rescue the situation. It's failed.

He needs to do what he said he would do and put us up for sale, that's all I want from him now.

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, sambosa75 said:

Do something, Dragan.  Quickly.

Break someone rather than something eg Southampton Football Club would a start

https://www.rasmusankersen.com

He’s as knowledgable about football as the 17 year old who was on Wogan trying to buy Aldershot Town in the 1980s.

And yes, I agree @S-Clarke Solak needs to make good on his promise now. It’s well beyond SR having even 0.1% credibility with our fanbase or in the city, or the sport. He had the chance to bin Ankerson off or limit him to Goztepe but he bottled it. 

Ta ra Dragan.

Edited 1 hour ago by Gloucester Saint

[Cabrone]

Right now I'm more interested NFL playoffs and how the 6 nations is going to go.

SR have destroyed any interest in this club.

[S-Clarke]

Just to share this actual quote, just so it's not seen as rumour -

 

 

 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

He's had plenty of time to, and sadly the time is now up. He's run out of rope.

He's intertwined with all of this just as much as Rasmus and co as far as I'm concerned. He put himself as our Chairman 10 months ago as he wanted to oversee things closer, and be closer to the decisions - that was his last attempt to rescue the situation. It's failed.

He needs to do what he said he would do and put us up for sale, that's all I want from him now.

Absolutely agree. Solak can fuck off with the rest of the them. I left St Mary's this afternoon just feeling numb. I can't even muster the anger anymore. 

[Barton Saint]

Well today everyone might just as well stayed at home saved a fortune and lots of spent emotion and simply left a neat little package tied up with a bow on Teds statue with 3 points inside 

[Appy]

Six points clear of the bottom three, things could get very hairy indeed in the next week or so. 

[hypochondriac]

21 minutes ago, Badger said:

Big fuck off to this, even if said in jest.

We’re still seeing his legacy frankly from the ‘roll over and have your tummy tickled’ mentality in the EPL, having created a cosy culture of days off etc for the players. Wouldn’t want that prick back.

The big error though remains the club not crushing that culture and bringing someone in to do it. 

Yep. Loads wrong but the main underlying issue is not having a disciplinarian around to take names and kick ass. Standards dropped under Martin and they've never recovered. Losing and doing badly happens but losing in the manner we have done this season and without the required effort is shameful and unforgivable.

[Sheaf Saint]

5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Just to share this actual quote, just so it's not seen as rumour -

 

 

 

Can we get Led By Donkeys to do one of their projector displays with this on the front of SMS please? 🙏 

[madge]

Eckerts body language is fecking appalling.. zero drive from the touch line, where’s the inspiration for the players. He looks so lost. All on Spors and the 🔔ends running the club.  Can’t go into Wednesday like this, let alone Sunday. 

[AlexLaw76]

Tonda, post match with Blackmore....

Blackmore politely put it to him a little, and Tonda was adamant we had the stats to back up the right approach in the first half, and it is "all in" on Wednesday....said that a couple of times

 

• I am very frustrated, the stats say the game was in one direction, the result is the other
• We need to get our head up and go again
• The good thing is that we play twice this week and we go all in on Weds
• If you look at the whole game today, there were 2 moments where we gave away easy goals
• The game was clearly going in one direction but we never got the result
• We had Ross on the pitch at the end, we needed to find him quicker
• We tried to create 1-v-1s, but we need to get the ball to him quicker
• We pressed very high in the 1st half, then switched in the 2nd half, but it is about winning games
• We had an xG of 1.7 in the first half. I know people talk about this when you dont win
• We had more than enough chances to win
• Time to start winning football games. Today, play 9 out of 10 we win
• it is what it is, we have a chance to do it on Weds
• I have all of the faith to turn it around and we go for Weds and see how it goes
• Lets play Weds, we will go strong and then we can talk about ifs, buts and maybes
• I live and breathe this football club and will do everything to continue

 

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Tonda, post match with Blackmore....

Blackmore politely put it to him a little, and Tonda was adamant we had the stats to back up the right approach in the first half, and it is "all in" on Wednesday....said that a couple of times

 

• I am very frustrated, the stats say the game was in one direction, the result is the other
• We need to get our head up and go again
• The good thing is that we play twice this week and we go all in on Weds
• If you look at the whole game today, there were 2 moments where we gave away easy goals
• The game was clearly going in one direction but we never got the result
• We had Ross on the pitch at the end, we needed to find him quicker
• We tried to create 1-v-1s, but we need to get the ball to him quicker
• We pressed very high in the 1st half, then switched in the 2nd half, but it is about winning games
• We had an xG of 1.7 in the first half. I know people talk about this when you dont win
• We had more than enough chances to win
• Time to start winning football games. Today, play 9 out of 10 we win
• it is what it is, we have a chance to do it on Weds
• I have all of the faith to turn it around and we go for Weds and see how it goes
• Lets play Weds, we will go strong and then we can talk about ifs, buts and maybes
• I live and breathe this football club and will do everything to continue

 

The fact he mentions xG and stats says everything for me, he's a data driven analysts and that is why he's in position. Stats, stats, graphs, metrics. re-sale value for academy players. He's an absolute puppet and the above are just a load of soundbites he's read from his amazon 'how to be a football manager' guide.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Tonda, post match with Blackmore....

Blackmore politely put it to him a little, and Tonda was adamant we had the stats to back up the right approach in the first half, and it is "all in" on Wednesday....said that a couple of times

 

• I am very frustrated, the stats say the game was in one direction, the result is the other
• We need to get our head up and go again
• The good thing is that we play twice this week and we go all in on Weds
• If you look at the whole game today, there were 2 moments where we gave away easy goals
• The game was clearly going in one direction but we never got the result
• We had Ross on the pitch at the end, we needed to find him quicker
• We tried to create 1-v-1s, but we need to get the ball to him quicker
• We pressed very high in the 1st half, then switched in the 2nd half, but it is about winning games
• We had an xG of 1.7 in the first half. I know people talk about this when you dont win
• We had more than enough chances to win
• Time to start winning football games. Today, play 9 out of 10 we win
• it is what it is, we have a chance to do it on Weds
• I have all of the faith to turn it around and we go for Weds and see how it goes
• Lets play Weds, we will go strong and then we can talk about ifs, buts and maybes
• I live and breathe this football club and will do everything to continue

 

More like lose 9 out of 10 if played again. As he'd do everything the same.

Go all in in Wednesday? WTF, should they not be doing that every game?!

[Nieldy]

12 minutes ago, Cabrone said:

Right now I'm more interested NFL playoffs and how the 6 nations is going to go.

SR have destroyed any interest in this club.

Being a Welshman i dont know whats worse at the moment, watching the Saints or the Welsh rugby team. On the flip side a Pats fan, winning the Superbowl will ease the pain.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The fact he mentions xG and stats says everything for me, he's a data driven analysts and that is why he's in position. Stats, stats, graphs, metrics. re-sale value for academy players. He's an absolute puppet and the above are just a load of soundbites he's read from his amazon 'how to be a football manager' guide.

Come on @Wade Garrett do your stuff

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Nieldy said:

Being a Welshman i dont know whats worse at the moment, watching the Saints or the Welsh rugby team. On the flip side a Pats fan, winning the Superbowl will ease the pain.

Did you meet a nice girl from the Valleys and become a PE Teacher?😉 

Edited 1 hour ago by Gloucester Saint

[saintant]

20 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Just to share this actual quote, just so it's not seen as rumour -

 

 

 

It's that time Dragan, it's that time.

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Not sure when the last time we went 7 games without a win at this level but it was a very very long time ago. Possibly under the Dutch duo, but i am even doubting that 

7 games between 7th March 2009 and 10th April - D4 L3

and earlier the same season

8 games between 25 Nov 2008 and  28 December -  D4 L4

 

( According to Wikipedia )

 

Edited 1 hour ago by badgerx16

[Osvaldorama]

40 minutes ago, Appy said:

I wonder if the 08/09 Wotte/Poortvliet side beats this lot, current side is more talented but 08/09 team had more about them. Which isn’t saying much. 

I genuinely think this lot would lose. 
 

We were so so so bad today 

[Convict Colony]

[Mboto Gorge]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

8 games between 25 Nov 2008 and  28 December -  D4 L4.

So it was under the Dutch duo. Good work. Tonda should break this record over the next week then

[Willo of Whiteley]

15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Tonda, post match with Blackmore....

Blackmore politely put it to him a little, and Tonda was adamant we had the stats to back up the right approach in the first half, and it is "all in" on Wednesday....said that a couple of times

 

• I am very frustrated, the stats say the game was in one direction, the result is the other
• We need to get our head up and go again
• The good thing is that we play twice this week and we go all in on Weds
• If you look at the whole game today, there were 2 moments where we gave away easy goals
• The game was clearly going in one direction but we never got the result
• We had Ross on the pitch at the end, we needed to find him quicker
• We tried to create 1-v-1s, but we need to get the ball to him quicker
• We pressed very high in the 1st half, then switched in the 2nd half, but it is about winning games
• We had an xG of 1.7 in the first half. I know people talk about this when you dont win
• We had more than enough chances to win
• Time to start winning football games. Today, play 9 out of 10 we win
• it is what it is, we have a chance to do it on Weds
• I have all of the faith to turn it around and we go for Weds and see how it goes
• Lets play Weds, we will go strong and then we can talk about ifs, buts and maybes
• I live and breathe this football club and will do everything to continue

 

He really is a fucking plum isn’t he.

His stats speak says it all, absolute rubbish. Stats mean jack shit if you don’t win the game.

Imagine the reaction if we finish 22nd but our XG is 5.0 every match and possession is +75%.

[saintant]

These continually weak performances we've had to endure for so long convince me that real work is not being put in at Staplewood. I'd bet it's like a holiday camp up there during training with players half arsed, larking around and just doing the absolute bare minimum. Nothing else explains the absolute lack of fight or commitment on match days or the fact that most of them are constantly blowing out their arses after about ten minutes of walking football. We look the least fit team in the whole of the Championship. It's no wonder we are continually losing or failing to beat some rank average sides and dropping like a stone. 

[Mboto Gorge]

5 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

I genuinely think this lot would lose. 
 

We were so so so bad today 

I actually think we could very likely lose away at Sheffield Wednesday, give them their first home win, could almost guarantee it. There are no depth of shitness that this lot won’t sink to

[Willo of Whiteley]

We have to put it right next game.

Then the next.

Then the next.

And the one after that.

We’ve heard it endlessly over Christmas.

[Mboto Gorge]

5 minutes ago, saintant said:

These continually weak performances we've had to endure for so long convince me that real work is not being put in at Staplewood. I'd bet it's like a holiday camp up there during training with players half arsed, larking around and just doing the absolute bare minimum. Nothing else explains the absolute lack of fight or commitment on match days or the fact that most of them are constantly blowing out their arses after about ten minutes of walking football. We look the least fit team in the whole of the Championship. It's no wonder we are continually losing or failing to beat some rank average sides and dropping like a stone. 

It has actually been hinted at from Within the camp itself, that there is a distinct lack of discipline and professionalism among the players during training and has been for well over a year or so. Punctuality, application and effort etc, all way short of what’s expected and required for a successful sports team. It won’t get any better with a manager who’s scared of half the players, either. This is what happens when there is no strong leadership and management within the coaching side of things. Which makes sense when you think of the appointments SR make

Edited 1 hour ago by Mboto Gorge

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Mboto Gorge said:

It has actually been hinted at from Within the camp itself, that there is a distinct lack of discipline and professionalism among the players during training and has been for well over a year or so. Punctuality, application and effort etc, all way short of what’s expected and required for a successful sports team. It won’t get any better with a manager who’s scared of half the players, either, 

I reckon we essentially gave up during the relegation season and that's just carried onto this season. I'd love to know what Romeu makes of it all even if he's no longer up to things.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

We have to put it right next game.

Then the next.

Then the next.

And the one after that.

We’ve heard it endlessly over Christmas.

All the manager says is the next game is the important one. Lose on wendesday and he will say we have a chance to put it right on Sunday and we are all in for the next game.

[Gloucester Saint]

29 minutes ago, Appy said:

Six points clear of the bottom three, things could get very hairy indeed in the next week or so. 

Relegation is nailed on without an experienced manager to halt the slide. Might be a last day escape ala May 2008 even if that happens. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I reckon we essentially gave up during the relegation season and that's just carried onto this season. I'd love to know what Romeu makes of it all even if he's no longer up to things.

I’d put him in temporary charge for Weds and the derby until they can get a Mowbray or Pulis type in to keep us up.

[Saint NL]

10 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

He really is a fucking plum isn’t he.

His stats speak says it all, absolute rubbish. Stats mean jack shit if you don’t win the game.

Imagine the reaction if we finish 22nd but our XG is 5.0 every match and possession is +75%.

You are correct, but some of those missed chances in the first half were appalling. Our players were doing their best chuckle brothers routine instead of shooting from 5 yards.

 

[Wade Garrett]

22 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Come on @Wade Garrett do your stuff

He’s a fucking geeky cunt who can’t even kick a football employed by a load of other geeky cunts who can’t kick a football.  They should be running a geeky cunts company instead of a football club.

Fucking geeky cunts.

[SWLondon Saint]

12 minutes ago, saintant said:

These continually weak performances we've had to endure for so long convince me that real work is not being put in at Staplewood. I'd bet it's like a holiday camp up there during training with players half arsed, larking around and just doing the absolute bare minimum. Nothing else explains the absolute lack of fight or commitment on match days or the fact that most of them are constantly blowing out their arses after about ten minutes of walking football. We look the least fit team in the whole of the Championship. It's no wonder we are continually losing or failing to beat some rank average sides and dropping like a stone. 

Reckon the RM fanclub are too used to their days off and don't give a crap anyway as they've managed to get all the managers who've tried to get them to put in a shift fired. Put the shit stirrers in a bomb squad, honestly, it might hurt their resale value but relegation is going to do that anyway. Just get rid however you can, cut the cancer out of the club FFS.

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I’d put him in temporary charge for Weds and the derby until they can get a Mowbray or Pulis type in to keep us up.

I'd have nigel pearson. He saved us from relegation before.

[gallaghert366@yahoo.com]

41 minutes ago, Appy said:

Six points clear of the bottom three, things could get very hairy indeed in the next week or so. 

On current 'form' League 1 is inevitable.

[Harry_SFC]

4 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Reckon the RM fanclub are too used to their days off and don't give a crap anyway as they've managed to get all the managers who've tried to get them to put in a shift fired. Put the shit stirrers in a bomb squad, honestly, it might hurt their resale value but relegation is going to do that anyway. Just get rid however you can, cut the cancer out of the club FFS.

It really became apparent under Juric. For all his faults I like the way he called out Downes and how unfit the players were.

[Gloucester Saint]

4 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Reckon the RM fanclub are too used to their days off and don't give a crap anyway as they've managed to get all the managers who've tried to get them to put in a shift fired. Put the shit stirrers in a bomb squad, honestly, it might hurt their resale value but relegation is going to do that anyway. Just get rid however you can, cut the cancer out of the club FFS.

Get the Swansea (plus THB and Bazunu) out of Saints.

[Doctoroncall]

25 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The fact he mentions xG and stats says everything for me, he's a data driven analysts and that is why he's in position. Stats, stats, graphs, metrics. re-sale value for academy players. He's an absolute puppet and the above are just a load of soundbites he's read from his amazon 'how to be a football manager' guide.

You’d think after all the games this season, last season and beyond they’d start to question the way they are using the metrics… because it’s not fucking working. 

[Wade Garrett]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

What more can you say? It's groundhog day every week, doing the same things over and over again, hoping for a different outcome. The club are just completely zombified at the moment.

At this stage there isn't really much point in going down to the details of per match, as the problems are consistent across multiple. We move the ball too slowly, we're too ponderous, we have no drive, no one willing to take ownership, no one leading, no one organising, no structure and absolutely no idea how to play football.

The manager was always out of his depth, you saw it at QPR in his first game. Rabbit in headlights, but the club were always desperate to give it to him. He will leave here and will never manage again, of that I'm sure. We've been used for another clever bollocks experiment. 

Moving away from the manager - the first team environment is toxic, fully toxic. It's like Chinese knot weed - it consumes the entire setup. Good players come in (Jander, Leo etc) and get dragged down into it, it happens in any toxic environment - good people come in, get suppressed, don't fulfil their potential and then leave to another environment where they do - but the toxic 'group' remains and continues to drag it down.

If I was in charge and it was 'simple', I'd be sacking Downes and Manning tonight - they shouldn't be anywhere near our club, they are horrendous in ability but most importantly attitude. Downes is absolutely stinking the place out, he hasn't wanted to be here since his boyfriend left and he doesn't even bother anymore. The bloke will go down as one of my least favourite players ever, I hate him.

Manning is manning, just shit. I also hate him.

I hate a lot of this team, and that's the crux of it really. We can roll the dice on another manager, but if this toxic characters remain around the first team and the boardroom (looking at you Rasmus) then nothing will ever change.

We need people with footballing experience and knowledge at the club, it feels rudderless - we're lead by analysts, sports scientists and data driven morons. Cheers for nothing SR, now fuck off.

I agree, particularly on Downes and Manning but a strong manager will take control of the dressing room and manage those cunts.

Edited 21 minutes ago by Wade Garrett
Inebriated

[SWLondon Saint]

1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

I agree, particularly on Downes and Manning but a strong player will take control of the dressing room and manage those cunts.

Our club captain is so strong he got himself banned for 9 games last season for having shit for brains. Setting the standard.

[Viking Saint]

1 hour ago, sambosa75 said:

Does make you wonder at what point does Solak realise Sport Republic are completely clueless and force them out to protect at least a portion of his investment.  They’ve repeatedly proven themselves totally bereft of ideas on how to run a successful club off the pitch and most importantly on it.

I can’t fault the money that Solak has spent on the club.  The big issue is on what and whom.  It has been an absolute clinic in comedy recruitment from leadership to coaching staff to players. If it wasn’t my club I would find it absolutely hilarious.

Do something, Dragan.  Quickly.

Dragan  - give Cortese a ring

[Doctoroncall]

21 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

All the manager says is the next game is the important one. Lose on wendesday and he will say we have a chance to put it right on Sunday and we are all in for the next game.

The trait of a losing gambler.