Saints v Ipswich - Tuesday 7.45pm

[Football Special]

25 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

There's also a 3-way fight for the last playoff place involving Disney FC (a real Mickey Mouse Club 😉)

The Sky coverage will be all over that, hoping for a fairytale ending.

That's what I meant  6th place being the last play off place. Got a feeling Derby will get it. 

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

That's what I meant  6th place being the last play off place. Got a feeling Derby will get it. 

Oh yeah. Sorry it's still early on a Monday morning and I mis-read your post. I assumed you were referring to the battle for second.

[LiberalCommunist]

Quite possibly, but Qpr are a little bit like Bristol, party poopers when there's no need. Could see them really frustrating Town on the last day.

Its going to be a mad last day, that's for sure. 

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, LiberalCommunist said:

Quite possibly, but Qpr are a little bit like Bristol, party poopers when there's no need. Could see them really frustrating Town on the last day.

Its going to be a mad last day, that's for sure. 

I doubt it, I think it'll be pretty much a non-event. Ipswich will beat QPR at home fairly comfortably and that'll be the end of it. 

[Football Special]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I doubt it, I think it'll be pretty much a non-event. Ipswich will beat QPR at home fairly comfortably and that'll be the end of it. 

I remember 2012 when all Man City had to do was win at home to QPR to win the league, very nearly didn't until Aguero popped up in stoppage time, but yes that scenario of a comfortable Ipswich win is overwhelming favourite if they need it (I.e dont beat us already) 

[Sheaf Saint]

7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I doubt it, I think it'll be pretty much a non-event. Ipswich will beat QPR at home fairly comfortably and that'll be the end of it. 

In all probability yes. But here's an idea...

If we get into a comfortable lead over them tomorrow night (and wipe out their GD advantage), how about we then sub on some fringe players who we don't mind losing to suspension for the last day/playoffs and get them to put in some crunching tackles on Ipswich's best players? 

Not that I would condone such cynical, unsporting behaviour, of course.

[Football Special]

12 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

In all probability yes. But here's an idea...

If we get into a comfortable lead over them tomorrow night (and wipe out their GD advantage), how about we then sub on some fringe players who we don't mind losing to suspension for the last day/playoffs and get them to put in some crunching tackles on Ipswich's best players? 

Not that I would condone such cynical, unsporting behaviour, of course.

i don't think Saints have even spent a minute in the top 2 all season have we?, would be hilarious if we got a late goal at Preston to get into it , not going to happen though. 

Anyone know the odds on Saints to beat Ipswich and Preston and also Ipswich / Millwall failing to beat QPR / Oxford? Must be 100/1 surely 

[Barton Saint]

Tomorrow will be our 8th game in 24 days! April has been an incredible month for everyone associated with the club 

[Sheaf Saint]

4 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Anyone know the odds on Saints to beat Ipswich and Preston and also Ipswich / Millwall failing to beat QPR / Oxford? Must be 100/1 surely 

I just tried to do an accumulator on Betfair to work it out, but they're not offering odds on ours or Ipswich's final games until after we've played each other tomorrow night.

[suewhistle]

Next Saturday we need some plants in the Ipswich crowd to start the rumour that Saints are losing 3-0 at Preston so that they give up trying for a bit; then panic when their bench tells them the truth..

[Saint Garrett]

Winning this could be really important, Firstly, obviously the off chance of us finishing 2nd but also the mental boost it will give us ahead of the playoffs to beat them.  2 massive games left, and we can rest on Saturday if we dont get the job done on Tuesday. But we'll still wanna finish 3rd or 4th to give us home adv second leg.

Wouldn't surprise me to see a few changes, but think it will be pretty much this:

Peretz;

Bree THB Stephens (if fit) Manning

Jander Bragg

Matsuki Azaz Scienza

Larin

[Dman]

Annoingly, this is now pretty much a must win for us if we want the home advantage in the play-offs. 

With that in mind, strongest side possible. 

I think all of April and Saturday will finally catch up with us and we'll get beat in this one. 

 

[a1ex2001]

21 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Winning this could be really important, Firstly, obviously the off chance of us finishing 2nd but also the mental boost it will give us ahead of the playoffs to beat them.  2 massive games left, and we can rest on Saturday if we dont get the job done on Tuesday. But we'll still wanna finish 3rd or 4th to give us home adv second leg.

Wouldn't surprise me to see a few changes, but think it will be pretty much this:

Peretz;

Bree THB Stephens (if fit) Manning

Jander Bragg

Matsuki Azaz Scienza

Larin

Can see Bragg and Azaz missing out, Bragg is still so young and Azaz is clearly carrying some sort of injury and both ran themselves ragged at Wembley.  

[a1ex2001]

3 minutes ago, Dman said:

Annoingly, this is now pretty much a must win for us if we want the home advantage in the play-offs. 

With that in mind, strongest side possible. 

I think all of April and Saturday will finally catch up with us and we'll get beat in this one. 

 

The table certainly makes it look that way although we’d still be in with a shot if results went our way on the last day I’d prefer it was in our own hands, two wins should see us finish above Boro regardless of other results.

[Dman]

1 hour ago, Football Special said:

That's what I meant  6th place being the last play off place. Got a feeling Derby will get it. 

yep, out of the 3, they have the easiest fixture. Which considering its Sheff Utd, is a pretty crazy thing to say. 

[Saint Garrett]

5 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

Can see Bragg and Azaz missing out, Bragg is still so young and Azaz is clearly carrying some sort of injury and both ran themselves ragged at Wembley.  

I just dont see Azaz coming out unless we don't need to win, he's probably our most important attacking player now. Especially when we don't have an alternative.

[Mattio]

Get Romeu in to break some legs 😂

[Oisin]

32 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

Can see Bragg and Azaz missing out, Bragg is still so young and Azaz is clearly carrying some sort of injury and both ran themselves ragged at Wembley.  

Bragg came off after an hour or so while Jander played the full 90. I think the midfield will probably be Bragg and Charles.

I also think along the lines of @Saint Garrett - Azaz needs to play if he can.

[S-Clarke]

You've got to go all out for a win, the equation for us is as simple as it gets. Win both games, score a few goals (especially against Ipswich), and see what happens next weekend. It's a long shot, of course it is, but going into the last game on 79, 79, 80, 80 is a bit nuts. Even if we fail, I don't think everyone will feel deflated as if it's some glorious failure, we weren't even expected to be here a few months ago - so it's a bonus situation whatever way you think about it. We just need to give ourselves the best chance to partake in something incredibly nuts.

Edited 6 hours ago by S-Clarke

[macca155]

Not worth worrying about the autos really, what will be will be. Saints need to win both games, and rely on two teams dropping points, and make up a goal difference of 6. If it happens amazing but the odds are very low. I certainly don't think Tonda should be risking any player pursuing that goal. 

Really need to think about the play offs. Saints need to need to finish above 5th to have home advantage in the 2nd match., that is so important. That's really only happening if Saints beat Ipswich on Tuesday. That will force Middlesborough to have to go for the win against Wrexham, rather than holding out for a draw.

The defence should be fine, Manning will be fresh and Quarshie can cover if necessary. Up front Larin, Stewart, and Archer are being rotated well. Edozie and Robinson can provide cover for Fellows and Scienza.

Its the midfield I worry about. We really need Jander and Bragg to start but they must be on empty by now, both physically and emotionally.  Charles and Matsuki should be fresh but both have a tendency to leave gaps, and are not as intense when tackling. Both are way better playing further up. Just have to cross our fingers and hope they are ok. We may even see Romeu's wrecking ball act for a few minutes.

Azaz is a worry, need him fit.

Need to remember Ipswich aren't Man City and they have their own demons to deal with. No need to panic, if the crowd are behind them they should have enough to beat Ipswich.

Big big game

[Sheaf Saint]

34 minutes ago, macca155 said:

Really need to think about the play offs. Saints need to need to finish above 5th to have home advantage in the 2nd match., that is so important. That's really only happening if Saints beat Ipswich on Tuesday. That will force Middlesborough to have to go for the win against Wrexham, rather than holding out for a draw.

Boro can still get second with a win against Wrexham. There's zero chance they will be playing for a draw.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Oisin said:

Bragg came off after an hour or so while Jander played the full 90. I think the midfield will probably be Bragg and Charles.

I also think along the lines of @Saint Garrett - Azaz needs to play if he can.

Jander is a machine - he'll start tomorrow. Bragg and Charles is not a good enough pair against Ipswich.

[Mr X]

1 hour ago, Mattio said:

Get Romeu in to break some legs 😂

More likely to break his own nowadays 

[Oisin]

49 minutes ago, macca155 said:

Not worth worrying about the autos really, what will be will be. Saints need to win both games, and rely on two teams dropping points, and make up a goal difference of 6. If it happens amazing but the odds are very low. I certainly don't think Tonda should be risking any player pursuing that goal. 

Really need to think about the play offs. Saints need to need to finish above 5th to have home advantage in the 2nd match., that is so important. That's really only happening if Saints beat Ipswich on Tuesday. That will force Middlesborough to have to go for the win against Wrexham, rather than holding out for a draw.

The defence should be fine, Manning will be fresh and Quarshie can cover if necessary. Up front Larin, Stewart, and Archer are being rotated well. Edozie and Robinson can provide cover for Fellows and Scienza.

Its the midfield I worry about. We really need Jander and Bragg to start but they must be on empty by now, both physically and emotionally.  Charles and Matsuki should be fresh but both have a tendency to leave gaps, and are not as intense when tackling. Both are way better playing further up. Just have to cross our fingers and hope they are ok. We may even see Romeu's wrecking ball act for a few minutes.

Azaz is a worry, need him fit.

Need to remember Ipswich aren't Man City and they have their own demons to deal with. No need to panic, if the crowd are behind them they should have enough to beat Ipswich.

Big big game

I have to say I think risking players in this scenario is worth it. There’s a chance. If the chance goes tomorrow than we can rest people Saturday.

Im also not at all fussed about finishing 4th or 5th; I really don’t see that it matters anything like as much as people are making out.

Stuff someone 3-0 at home first leg and the second leg doesn’t matter anyway 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

One final comment … who is the ref tomorrow and how many penalties is he giving Ipswich 😉

Edited 5 hours ago by Oisin
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[mikec]

2 hours ago, Football Special said:

i don't think Saints have even spent a minute in the top 2 all season have we?, would be hilarious if we got a late goal at Preston to get into it , not going to happen though. 

Anyone know the odds on Saints to beat Ipswich and Preston and also Ipswich / Millwall failing to beat QPR / Oxford? Must be 100/1 surely 

On the Betfair Exchange, the odds of Saints getting a top-2 finish (which is pretty much the same as what you're asking if you disregard Middlesbrough) are currently 23/1.

[Charlie Wayman]

3 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

Can see Bragg and Azaz missing out, Bragg is still so young and Azaz is clearly carrying some sort of injury and both ran themselves ragged at Wembley.  

The whole team ran themseves ragged on Saturday and Bragg was rested for mosT of the second half. He should be OK. Downes will start oevr Bragg anyway so it's not an issue

[Sheaf Saint]

2 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

The whole team ran themseves ragged on Saturday and Bragg was rested for mosT of the second half. He should be OK. Downes will start oevr Bragg anyway so it's not an issue

Downes has to miss another two games. We won't see him until the playoffs now.

[Charlie Wayman]

4 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

Winning this could be really important, Firstly, obviously the off chance of us finishing 2nd but also the mental boost it will give us ahead of the playoffs to beat them.  2 massive games left, and we can rest on Saturday if we dont get the job done on Tuesday. But we'll still wanna finish 3rd or 4th to give us home adv second leg.

Wouldn't surprise me to see a few changes, but think it will be pretty much this:

Peretz;

Bree THB Stephens (if fit) Manning

Jander Bragg

Matsuki Azaz Scienza

Larin

More likely Downes & Charles in midfield. No reason to leave out Wood either. Keep JS on rehab until the play offs

[VectisSaint]

We need to be going all-out to win both games. Highest position possible and on a winning/unbeaten run (in the League). Control the controllables, where we end up who knows but win both games to give ourselves the best chance.

[Charlie Wayman]

22 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Downes has to miss another two games. We won't see him until the playoffs now.

Ah! OK So, Bragg & Charles in midfield, which is fair enough as Charles is better as an AMF, knows where the goal is and is less error prone in that position

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saintant: Nah, gotta be Bragg and Jander for me.

Reply: Ordinarily I would agree with you, Jander is by far the better player but sutrely he must be knackered after his heroics on Saturday? Charles will be lot fresher

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Charlie Wayman

[saintant]

15 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Ah! OK So, Bragg & Charles in midfield

Nah, gotta be Bragg and Jander for me.

[Saint NL]

If there is any possibility of us going up and Ipswich not, then we need to give this song a rendition

https://x.com/Detective82/status/2048738427232022864/video/1?s=46

 

 

 

 

 

[Jack]

5 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I just tried to do an accumulator on Betfair to work it out, but they're not offering odds on ours or Ipswich's final games until after we've played each other tomorrow night.

I reckon it’ll be about 40/1 with a bit of guess work. 
 

Saints 6/5 tomorrow 

Saints will be less than evens on Saturday

Millwall and Ipswich will be similar odds to fail to win on Saturday, will be somewhere around 2/1, maybe slightly longer 

[skintsaint]

7 hours ago, Football Special said:

Got a feeling Derby will get it. 

Hope so - they were rubbish on Sat. Think they hit the target 3 times and all went in, while Derbys keeper had a blinder. If we don't make auto's then would want to play them.

[EssEffCee]

33 minutes ago, Jack said:

I reckon it’ll be about 40/1 with a bit of guess work. 
 

Saints 6/5 tomorrow 

Saints will be less than evens on Saturday

Millwall and Ipswich will be similar odds to fail to win on Saturday, will be somewhere around 2/1, maybe slightly longer 

Couple of sites I've checked aren't offering odds on our game saturday but have seen 25/1 for us to finish second which is essentially the same thing.

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, skintsaint said:

Hope so - they were rubbish on Sat. Think they hit the target 3 times and all went in, while Derbys keeper had a blinder. If we don't make auto's then would want to play them.

God how sweet would that be - to get them in the playoffs and smash them at Pride Park in revenge for 2007.

[RedArmy]

3 minutes ago, EssEffCee said:

Couple of sites I've checked aren't offering odds on our game saturday but have seen 25/1 for us to finish second which is essentially the same thing.

it’ll be much higher than that. Millwall draw is 4/1 and Oxford win is 7/1. Saints are 11/10 to beat Ipswich. 
 

Saints to win both games and both of them to lose on Saturday is probably closer to 200/1. 

[Turkish]

6 hours ago, suewhistle said:

Next Saturday we need some plants in the Ipswich crowd to start the rumour that Saints are losing 3-0 at Preston so that they give up trying for a bit; then panic when their bench tells them the truth..

Great idea Sue! I'll do it, i'll bring a wireless along, spread the rumour and get all the Ipswich fans cheering just like the old days. I mean, it's not like Smartphones with instant access to live scores are a thing in Suffolk.

[RedArmy]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Great idea Sue! I'll do it, i'll bring a wireless along, spread the rumour and get all the Ipswich fans cheering just like the old days. I mean, it's not like Smartphones with instant access to live scores are a thing in Suffolk.

That’s ignoring the fact that still it’s in their hands even if we beat them tomorrow so why would they stop trying because we’re winning  All they have to do is beat QPR and they’re up. 

[Jack]

7 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

it’ll be much higher than that. Millwall draw is 4/1 and Oxford win is 7/1. Saints are 11/10 to beat Ipswich. 
 

Saints to win both games and both of them to lose on Saturday is probably closer to 200/1. 

We’re not talking about away wins in the Ipswich and Millwall games though, we’re talking away win/draw which is far shorter odds. Somewhere between 2/1 and 3/1 in those games. 
 

Draws are good enough for us if we win our 2 games 

[EssEffCee]

14 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

it’ll be much higher than that. Millwall draw is 4/1 and Oxford win is 7/1. Saints are 11/10 to beat Ipswich. 
 

Saints to win both games and both of them to lose on Saturday is probably closer to 200/1. 

Like I say, I've seen 25/1 for us to finish second and that requires two Saints wins and draw/away win in the other two games. Plus us outscoring Boro.

 

[Turkish]

Looks like Ipswich will make a few changes too according to the Echo, Leif Davis looks like hes not fit, Mckenna moaning they're tired.

[Miltonaggro]

We've got this chaps.

Tonda's Terminators 3 Tractor Twats 0.

Then blitzkrieg ensures at DePreston.

 

[AlexLaw76]

1-1

We will pretty lethargic, they will set up for a point.