#Spygate

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

19 minutes ago, Number9 said:

It was the iPhone that gave him away because everyone knows Boro fans can't afford iPhones.

Klarna says everyone can get an iPhone. 

[DellBlockH]

10 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Unless M’bro have some damming evidence that isn’t in the public domain yet, this case has all the legitimacy of a Prem prima donna getting a light touch in the box, going down like he has been poleaxed and not only screaming for a penalty, but for his team to be awarded the game as the foul constituted some very very  serious cheating.

They could get damming evidence if they beavered about.

[Saint Garrett]

1 minute ago, James G said:

If it's 24 hours, then I'm guessing the clubs will be informed today then an announcement in the morning

You'd think they'd want to tell the ppl that it directly affects (fans) asap/

[Miltonaggro]

31 minutes ago, saintant said:

The opposite for me. Which causes more turmoil if announced late a) us being kicked out or b) fine and points deduction?

Indeed, they will take the full time allocation and when the announcement does come it will likely be 'out of hours'.  There will be an awareness of the potential reactions of both clubs and respective sets of supporters. 

[saintant]

Just now, Saint Garrett said:

You'd think they'd want to tell the ppl that it directly affects (fans) asap/

If we were being kicked out I'm pretty sure we'd have heard about it by now.

[Dman]

I'll be amazed if leaks don't start to appear at some point this evening. 

At the very least, you'd imagine we'd have an understanding of what the potential punishment looks like. 

[OneMrsWallace]

24 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Releasing the photo damaged their claims a lot, they initially said he was found hiding in the bushes with a load of high tech equipment including a directional microphone, then they release that and it's clear he was stood in plain sight on a pathway with a camera phone. If he DID have all the equipment, it would make sense that they were suspicious. 

The first comment I heard from the media  was that he was on a grassy knoll. I thought they'd found out who shot JFK. Turns out it was an even bigger conspiracy than that one. 

[hypochondriac]

If the clubs know either way today you can't imagine they will all be able to keep it to themselves. 

[Saint Garrett]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

If we were being kicked out I'm pretty sure we'd have heard about it by now.

Agreed. 

2 minutes ago, Dman said:

I'll be amazed if leaks don't start to appear at some point this evening. 

At the very least, you'd imagine we'd have an understanding of what the potential punishment looks like. 

Agreed!

[James G]

3 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

You'd think they'd want to tell the ppl that it directly affects (fans) asap/

That's right

It looks like with the last panel for West Brom, the announcement was the next day

[Challenger]

7 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Relax, out of the two Boro players performing the execution, the first missed Tonda,s neck and the other was too tired to pull the lever.

[Saint86]

29 minutes ago, musesaint said:

There has, rightly, been a lot of criticism of the ridiculous Borough forum posts.
 

Unfortunately this forum is in danger of plumbing the same levels the last few days. 

One thing we do know for sure though, the new Muse song did get released today after the past few days of leaks 😍 

[Miltonaggro]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

If the clubs know either way today you can't imagine they will all be able to keep it to themselves. 

On past form the idiots at Middlesbrough certainly won't, regardless of professional advice. 

[Osvaldorama]

5 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

You'd think they'd want to tell the ppl that it directly affects (fans) asap/

It all makes more sense when you realise that nobody gives a single fuck about the fans 

[Ken Tone]

1 minute ago, Saint Garrett said:

Agreed. 

Agreed!

The trouble is we won't be able to tell the honest leaks from the wind ups

[Challenger]

9 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Relax, out of the two Boro players performing the execution, the first missed Tonda,s neck and the other was too tired to pull the lever.

[Dman]

Just now, Osvaldorama said:

It all makes more sense when you realise that nobody gives a single fuck about the fans 

Yep. All the EFL will care about is their ££ here. 

Moving away from Wembely will seriously hurt their pockets. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Miltonaggro said:

On past form the idiots at Middlesbrough certainly won't, regardless of professional advice. 

Will the conduct of Middlesbrough during this have any bearing on the severity of the punishment do you think or is it irrelevant? 

[Saint86]

Do you reckon we could pull of a body switch - and get Tonda to stay on as a newly rehired Selles? 

[Saint Garrett]

Just now, Ken Tone said:

The trouble is we won't be able to tell the honest leaks from the wind ups

I think you will be able to, as it will surely drop in most papers at the same time (normally get told a time to release certain news), and then Alfie House / Adam Blackmore will also comment giving a more balanced view of preceedings...

[saintant]

11 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Tonda looks like he's been beaten in this photo. In the words of Richard Littlejohn 'the yumane rights lawyers will be all over this.'

[hypochondriac]

I'm surprised how quiet it has been. I guess because Middlesbrough aren't involved they can't leak anything until they've heard the outcome. 

[Wurzel]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Will the conduct of Middlesbrough during this have any bearing on the severity of the punishment do you think or is it irrelevant? 

Shouldn't have anything to do with it. But I wouldn't mind betting once the dust has settled if our punishment indicates that the EFL considers it only a minor infringement as rules go,  then Boro might be facing a bringing the game into disrepute charge for their wild accusations and protestations.

 

[Thripp87]

I assume we’ve got a 24 hour delay to proceedings because the panel spent the first day pissing themselves at Middlesbrough?

[Sheaf Saint]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Will the conduct of Middlesbrough during this have any bearing on the severity of the punishment do you think or is it irrelevant? 

 

1 minute ago, Wurzel said:

Shouldn't have anything to do with it. But I wouldn't mind betting once the dust has settled if our punishment indicates that the EFL considers it only a minor infringement as rules go,  then Boro might be facing a bringing the game into disrepute charge for their wild accusations and protestations.

 

Someone posted earlier (really CBA to go back through all the posts to find out who) that KCs really don't take kindly to being leaned on in an attempt to unduly influence an outcome, so it's possible that this will be accounted for in their deliberations.

[Willo of Whiteley]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm surprised how quiet it has been. I guess because Middlesbrough aren't involved they can't leak anything until they've heard the outcome. 

Their fans are as deluded as ever 😂

[Pamplemousse]

Any leaks from Hull would be more reliable than Middlesbrough 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Sheaf Saint said:

 

Someone posted earlier (really CBA to go back through all the posts to find out who) that KCs really don't take kindly to being leaned on in an attempt to unduly influence an outcome, so it's possible that this will be accounted for in their deliberations.

surely that statement they did the other day about the only outcome can be kicking us out wont have gone down well. Regardless if that's what you think you dont put a statement out publicly like that.

[LegalEagle]

10 minutes ago, Dman said:

Yep. All the EFL will care about is their ££ here. 

Moving away from Wembely will seriously hurt their pockets. 

We’ll hurt their pockets even more should they stupidly remove us from the playoffs. Hit them so hard that they well put them out of business.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

surely that statement they did the other day about the only outcome can be kicking us out wont have gone down well. Regardless if that's what you think you dont put a statement out publicly like that.

You do wonder if they had been told of an indication at that point. It seems very foolish to put that out just before the hearing unless they thought that public opinion and pressure would influence things positively from their perspective. 

[skintsaint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

You do wonder if they had been told of an indication at that point. It seems very foolish to put that out just before the hearing unless they thought that public opinion and pressure would influence things positively from their perspective. 

Damage control from their end towards their fans. "we tried but the world is against us" etc etc.

Edited 58 minutes ago by skintsaint

[RedArmy]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

surely that statement they did the other day about the only outcome can be kicking us out wont have gone down well. Regardless if that's what you think you dont put a statement out publicly like that.

The fact there has relative silence and no more leaks from their NE media puppets since that tells its own story in my opinion. 
 

They fucked up massively with that statement. 

[CB Fry]

Tempting fate maybe but if the EFL were remotely minded to kick us out of the play offs they would have pushed to get that out and communicated by now. 
 

We’ve sold out our end FFS.

 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, skintsaint said:

Damage control from their end towards their fans. "we tried but the world is against us" etc etc.

You'd imagine they would do that after the hearing though not before. 

[LegalEagle]

6 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

 

Someone posted earlier (really CBA to go back through all the posts to find out who) that KCs really don't take kindly to being leaned on in an attempt to unduly influence an outcome, so it's possible that this will be accounted for in their deliberations.

That was me. It is noticeable over the past few days that they’ve been much quieter as a club. I suspect their legal team told them to pipe down.

[WinglessWonder]

A penalty shootout to decide whether we are guilty or not sounds a bit "different" I'm fairly confident we have the players to do the business from 12yds... 🤔😁

[hypochondriac]

Just now, WinglessWonder said:

A penalty shootout to decide whether we are guilty or not sounds a bit "different" I'm fairly confident we have the players to do the business from 12yds... 🤔😁

Draft in mlt and we will ace it. 

[LegalEagle]

Well 5pm has been and gone

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

3 minutes ago, WinglessWonder said:

A penalty shootout to decide whether we are guilty or not sounds a bit "different" I'm fairly confident we have the players to do the business from 12yds... 🤔😁

Alternatively maybe do one of the half time relays to sort out our guilt. Saints staff vs EFL. Need a 6 man team: Parsons, Eckert, Solak, Spors, Salt & Sammy Saint for me. Not sure who the EFL would bring. Panel member in goal and Benny Hill music to set the scene.

Edited 53 minutes ago by Ivan Katalinic's 'tache

[Cuddles]

I've heard there's a big announcement at 7.20pm

[stfrancisofbenali]

For those wanting a heads up rather than an opportunity to hurl abuse, I would strongly recommend looking at alternative plans for the bank holiday weekend.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

For those wanting a heads up rather than an opportunity to hurl abuse, I would strongly recommend looking at alternative plans for the bank holiday weekend.

Thanks for the heads up. Really appreciate all the genuine info. 

[saintant]

2 minutes ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

For those wanting a heads up rather than an opportunity to hurl abuse, I would strongly recommend looking at alternative plans for the bank holiday weekend.

You again! 🙂

[LegalEagle]

2 minutes ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

For those wanting a heads up rather than an opportunity to hurl abuse, I would strongly recommend looking at alternative plans for the bank holiday weekend.

I’m going to Wembley on Saturday now whatever happens. Let my red flares off down Wembley Way on my own if I have to.

[coalman]

5 minutes ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

For those wanting a heads up rather than an opportunity to hurl abuse, I would strongly recommend looking at alternative plans for the bank holiday weekend.

Thanks for letting us know, Karen.

[LegalEagle]

4 minutes ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

For those wanting a heads up rather than an opportunity to hurl abuse, I would strongly recommend looking at alternative plans for the bank holiday weekend.

Says the spanner who told us that the hearing was last Thursday. Skate.

[die Mannyschaft]

8 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Tempting fate maybe but if the EFL were remotely minded to kick us out of the play offs they would have pushed to get that out and communicated by now. 
 

We’ve sold out our end FFS.

 

Its such a stupid decision to sell tickets and have fans book travel,  accommodation with the caveat of read the small print as you may not be going. EFL know exactly what on the table for sanctions, if they kick Saints out of final that's incompetence at the highest level.

[Miltonaggro]

17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Will the conduct of Middlesbrough during this have any bearing on the severity of the punishment do you think or is it irrelevant? 

It will have been noticed and noted, but they aren't party to proceedings and if this is a competent Panel they would need to shut out the noise as much as possible, as difficult as that may be.  All this nonsense about bullying etc. is silly, as they can only relate to the complaint and the two regs breached in this instance.  Put simply, we don't even know the position being taken up by Saints in response to these two charges, and that is where the actions / sanctions will flow from.  If for instance, SFC have proved that there is no direct / or a tenuous link to Salt as an ex-intern, or that he was acting independently per se (best case scenario of course), then potentially Middlesbrough could be in the soup with both the EFL and the law. 

[Turkish]

Just had a voice message from a reliable source I can’t say too much at this stage but let’s just say the decision is more than a little less than too much, make of that what you will 

 

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

For those wanting a heads up rather than an opportunity to hurl abuse, I would strongly recommend looking at alternative plans for the bank holiday weekend.

If you're going to pretend to be a saints fan, at least use some obscure player like Tommy widdrington or Mark draper in your username.