Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 ...to this forum. It has become so boring and benign following it's constant reincarnations since SF. All we have on here now are wind-up merchants, and people that don't actually care about the club, they just want an argument. The debates are boring, the same points get trotted out time and again, and it's just no fun. Is it just me that feels this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 ...to this forum. It has become so boring and benign following it's constant reincarnations since SF. All we have on here now are wind-up merchants, and people that don't actually care about the club, they just want an argument. The debates are boring, the same points get trotted out time and again, and it's just no fun. Is it just me that feels this way? I pretty much agree. I once made a comment that if I mentioned that the Apples were rotten in ASDA it would get twisted into a "Lowe out" debate. I stand by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 18 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 February, 2009 i pretty much agree. I once made a comment that if i mentioned that the apples were rotten in asda it would get twisted into a "lowe out" debate. I stand by that. lowe out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 ...to this forum. It has become so boring and benign following it's constant reincarnations since SF. All we have on here now are wind-up merchants, and people that don't actually care about the club, they just want an argument. The debates are boring, the same points get trotted out time and again, and it's just no fun. Is it just me that feels this way? No, I agree, it's not a happy or fun site. I can understand to an extent though, the club is in a mess and are also aware - as are their opponents to be fair to both sides - of the power of this site and ones like it. Hence you see more plants on here than Kew Gardens. I recommend having a read of the hated people thread - not the most cheerful but most of it's about football largely! After all, that's why I used to post on previous sites like Saintsworld and S4E in the first place- because I was a football fan. Now SFC and any conversation around it seems to be all about everything but football. At least with Stanford (allegedly) exposed, cricket might at least focus a bit more and give me a distraction from football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 ...to this forum. It has become so boring and benign following it's constant reincarnations since SF. All we have on here now are wind-up merchants, and people that don't actually care about the club, they just want an argument. The debates are boring, the same points get trotted out time and again, and it's just no fun. Is it just me that feels this way? Surely thats always been, and going to be the case when things are as bad as this? People bring up the same boring points because they're relevant most of the time, and they arent being addressed by the club. And its no fun because we're up sh*t creek without so much as a slice of single ply to whipe away the splash back. The mood on the forum is a direct result of the position the club finds itself in....ITS F*CKED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 I pretty much agree. I once made a comment that if I mentioned that the Apples were rotten in ASDA it would get twisted into a "Lowe out" debate. I stand by that. I think they had a problem at Chandler's Ford when it was Gateway but that's another matter....it was probably Lowe as a graduate trainee I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 I pretty much agree. I once made a comment that if I mentioned that the Apples were rotten in ASDA it would get twisted into a "Lowe out" debate. I stand by that. The apples in Asda were lovely when Woodford was chairman. They got progressively worse under Askham, and are now rank since Lowe came back to the club. I don't think it'll be that long until Asda stop selling apples altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 One word could change the feelings of many on here.. HOPE At the moment, I'm buuuuggered if I can see any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 ...to this forum. It has become so boring and benign following it's constant reincarnations since SF. All we have on here now are wind-up merchants, and people that don't actually care about the club, they just want an argument. The debates are boring, the same points get trotted out time and again, and it's just no fun. Is it just me that feels this way? Agreed. You only have to read the contributions from 2 particular numptys to the "Names Saints fans hate" thread. Namely, you and Mr Fartpants. Pots, kettles, darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 I recommend having a read of the hated people thread - not the most cheerful but most of it's about football largely! thanks for the tip, good threads are hard to find. The entire transfer window passed pretty much without any discussion of the merits of possible signings. For me thats a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 It's just a reflection of the sht state of the Club (and City). Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 ...to this forum. It has become so boring and benign following it's constant reincarnations since SF. All we have on here now are wind-up merchants, and people that don't actually care about the club, they just want an argument. The debates are boring, the same points get trotted out time and again, and it's just no fun. Is it just me that feels this way? I seem to recall you starting a similar thread about a month ago. Oh wow, its got about as much attention as then... Bog off if you dont like the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 I seem to recall you starting a similar thread about a month ago. Oh wow, its got about as much attention as then... Bog off if you dont like the site. Says the principal architect of its decline. Stand up Mr ****ingboringnegativealpine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Says the principal architect of its decline. Stand up Mr ****ingboringnegativealpine. "Principal architect" ???? LOL. I think you are mistaking me with Rupert Lowe. A strange mistake to make... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSaint75 Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 "Principal architect" ???? LOL. I think you are mistaking me with Rupert Lowe. A strange mistake to make... Sorry Alps, I wasn't going to get into this, but the day you have anything positive to say will be a bitter cold day in hell, your not the only 1 though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 I pretty much agree. I once made a comment that if I mentioned that the Apples were rotten in ASDA it would get twisted into a "Lowe out" debate. I stand by that. It only takes one bad apple to turn the rest rotten. Rot Unrestricted Permeates Everything Right Throughout - Lowering Our Wholesome Expectations. QED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 ...to this forum. It has become so boring and benign following it's constant reincarnations since SF. All we have on here now are wind-up merchants, and people that don't actually care about the club, they just want an argument. The debates are boring, the same points get trotted out time and again, and it's just no fun. Is it just me that feels this way? Its because we all agree for a change. Lowe out. ...and its pointless talking about tactics as the teams never settled enough. ...... and its pointless talking about players as they seem uncommitted. We need a good story ... like Lowe resigning to get back onto the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Maybe we should look at Gorre Blimey and thank the club for spotting our CB saviour. He was eulagising to the extreme the qualities that Lipstick showed the other night. Is it possible that him and the new L/R Back could add something to our back 4? As unlikely as it would seem knowing our luck this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 ...to this forum. It has become so boring and benign following it's constant reincarnations since SF. All we have on here now are wind-up merchants, and people that don't actually care about the club, they just want an argument. The debates are boring, the same points get trotted out time and again, and it's just no fun. Is it just me that feels this way? Not just you, DPS. I've noticed that if anybody tries to post a balanced view of our situation, they are answered with references to being a Lowe Luvvie or a Skate - there isn't much sensible discussion to be had anymore. What we need is a good old take over thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Since the majority of posters only have a massive 3 posts a day, then the site is left with the views of the 200 or so full members that use it regularly. The decision was made to make the board commercially viable, and this decision WILL NOT BE REVERSED!! Some people call Mr Lowe stubborn too I suppose with so few posters posting their opinions regularly, this was inevitable really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Negativity can thrive for so long before the even the people spouting it get bored (apart from Alpine who seems to thrive on it!). Even the stuff spouted by the plants gets boring after a time as it becomes more and more transparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Even the stuff spouted by the plants gets boring after a time as it becomes more and more transparent. Dont be so hard on yourself - I am sure you made a non-boring post at some time or another....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Dont be so hard on yourself - I am sure you made a non-boring post at some time or another....... I wouldn't bet on it. The pi s s soaked old fart lost his marbles ages ago. At least he has something in common with you though in that he also doesn't go to games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 I wouldn't bet on it. The pi s s soaked old fart lost his marbles ages ago. At least he has something in common with you though in that he also doesn't go to games. Oh dear, the old "he doesn't go to games therefore he can't have an opinion" thing again. And I have lost my marbles. And as for Alpine, I was not talking about boring posts I was talking about negativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 what western super saint said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's There Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 One word could change the feelings of many on here.. HOPE At the moment, I'm buuuuggered if I can see any. sadly , I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 The way to save the forum and, ultimately, stop the fan conflict escalating into a knife fight is to have two forums. One for Saints Politics, one for Saints Football. Rigorously moderate it so that posts about the 'wrong' subject get kicked to the other forum. This is absolutely key. That way the people that want to snipe about politics can do it to their hearts content. The people that want to talk about football can do that too. I don't buy the 'you can't have one without the other argument - of course you can. Talking about the manager is fair game on a football forum but, in my mind, the board and politics should be somewhere else. I post far less on this board these days because even a post about who should play leftback degenerates into a diatribe about the reverse takeover or similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's There Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 A novel idea...why don't we have a positive day, when only positives can be shared, or jokes etc.......it might cheer us all up..you know, like Red Nose Day....What about a Friday? We could call it Happy Takeover Friday...anyone who is negative gets banned for 24 hours (or until 5.00pm after the latest fiasco). There may be only 3 posters left...but we'd all be smiling!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Why do people always moan about negativity? If people are negative then fine, laugh at them/argue them down/understand it's a reflection of how **** Saints, are but to moan about someone you don't know holding "negative" views on a message forum makes you look like a bit of a window-licker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Why do people always moan about negativity? If people are negative then fine, laugh at them/argue them down/understand it's a reflection of how **** Saints, are but to moan about someone you don't know holding "negative" views on a message forum makes you look like a bit of a window-licker. If you woke up every single day of your life, looked out of the window and it was raining, that is what the negativity here is like. It pervades everything, every thread. Given our circumstances you might expect a certain amount of gallows humour but no, everyday we get the same old same old. Of course you are going to get negativity on football forums, goodness knows we even had it when we were pushing for the plays offs, but there are people on here who thrive on it and rub our noses in it every day. If you don't want your heart broken or your hopes crushed, best never date girls or support football teams eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 If you woke up every single day of your life, looked out of the window and it was raining, that is what the negativity here is like. It pervades everything, every thread. Given our circumstances you might expect a certain amount of gallows humour but no, everyday we get the same old same old. Of course you are going to get negativity on football forums, goodness knows we even had it when we were pushing for the plays offs, but there are people on here who thrive on it and rub our noses in it every day. If you don't want your heart broken or your hopes crushed, best never date girls or support football teams eh? Let me give you another perspective. As an eternal optimist I go to every game expecting and hoping to win. Just like I went to every disco expecting to go home with someone. If after three years of going home alone I didn't bother to get too excited about the prospect of discos, would you fault me for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Let me give you another perspective. As an eternal optimist I go to every game expecting and hoping to win. Just like I went to every disco expecting to go home with someone. If after three years of going home alone I didn't bother to get too excited about the prospect of discos, would you fault me for it? Not at all, but do you ever really give up hoping that the next time maybe....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 I think they had a problem at Chandler's Ford when it was Gateway but that's another matter....it was probably Lowe as a graduate trainee I reckon. Here's another example of somebody trying to rewrite history. Asda at Chandler's Ford was never Gateway. It was Carrefour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 It was Gateway for awhile, between Carrefour and Asda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Not at all, but do you ever really give up hoping that the next time maybe....? No, but eventually I work out that my spots are a problem, so if I can lance a nasty boil then maybe my chances will improve.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Here's another example of somebody trying to rewrite history. Asda at Chandler's Ford was never Gateway. It was Carrefour. Right and wrong! It was originally Carrefour, became Gateway and then ASDA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Right and wrong! It was originally Carrefour, became Gateway and then ASDA. I marvel at some people's intimate knowledge of the completely inane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 The way to save the forum and, ultimately, stop the fan conflict escalating into a knife fight is to have two forums. One for Saints Politics, one for Saints Football. Rigorously moderate it so that posts about the 'wrong' subject get kicked to the other forum. This is absolutely key. That way the people that want to snipe about politics can do it to their hearts content. The people that want to talk about football can do that too. I don't buy the 'you can't have one without the other argument - of course you can. Talking about the manager is fair game on a football forum but, in my mind, the board and politics should be somewhere else. I post far less on this board these days because even a post about who should play leftback degenerates into a diatribe about the reverse takeover or similar. Two points on this: first, who'll do all this rigorous moderating? If you're going to do it that well it would be a full-time job. Second, I don't believe it's that easy to separate the football and board/politics side of things anyway - if you want to talk about the manager, for example, then the question of who appointed him and how it happened is certain to be hovering close by. Not an easy line to draw, I'd have thought. You're right that many threads tend to degenerate into bickering about Lowe, Wilde, Crouch and so forth these days - but that's just a symptom of where we are at the moment. The more nostalgic threads don't go that way, but then that's simply because they're addressing the past and not the present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 The way to save the forum and, ultimately, stop the fan conflict escalating into a knife fight is to have two forums. One for Saints Politics, one for Saints Football. Rigorously moderate it so that posts about the 'wrong' subject get kicked to the other forum. This is absolutely key. And therein lies the problem... So much work has gone in to making this forum relatively moderation free, that it will never be changed. The forum [iMHO] is now exactly how the forum leaders have always wanted it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 How in gods name can anyone not be negative on here at the moment. Who wants to discuss the vague chance of signing some unknown kid on loan at right back or discuss the latest meaningless tripe spouted by a coach who would'nt have even made it as a scout 4 years ago. There is no positive news, no real signs of anyone doing anything to help the club, and it only makes sense that this forum suffers because of it as well. I hope that if, and it's a big if, the clubs fortunes change, the mood on here will as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 I seem to recall you starting a similar thread about a month ago. Oh wow, its got about as much attention as then... Bog off if you dont like the site. And I seem to recall that you squeal for the attention of the mods when anyone writes anything even slightly confrontational on your threads and yet here you are, standing toe to toe with Dibden Purlieu Saint. Congratulations. Have a banana. FWIW, I agree with the posters who say that this forum is just a reflection of how s**t we all feel now. When there was infighting on the board, there was infighting on here too. It's only natural that the forum seems to carry the same stench of defeat the club has too. Right now, I see administration and rebirth as the only way to get back to being a normal club, owned by someone who might just care about it - which is a despicable thing to contemplate, as it probably means relegation and a few years in the doldrums of league 1 (or lower) before we see anything improve. Still, better to take the harsh cure than suffer the lingering disease :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 I pretty much agree. I once made a comment that if I mentioned that the Apples were rotten in ASDA it would get twisted into a "Lowe out" debate. I stand by that.i agree its got so negative and depressing ,so much for the spirit of southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 The way to save the forum and, ultimately, stop the fan conflict escalating into a knife fight is to have two forums. One for Saints Politics, one for Saints Football. Rigorously moderate it so that posts about the 'wrong' subject get kicked to the other forum. This is absolutely key. That way the people that want to snipe about politics can do it to their hearts content. The people that want to talk about football can do that too. I don't buy the 'you can't have one without the other argument - of course you can. Talking about the manager is fair game on a football forum but, in my mind, the board and politics should be somewhere else. I post far less on this board these days because even a post about who should play leftback degenerates into a diatribe about the reverse takeover or similar. I've got a simpler idea - your Messiah piissses off back to the Cotswolds and the club is run by someone who can unite us in goal and in approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 The more nostalgic threads don't go that way, but then that's simply because they're addressing the past and not the present. Dont they ? I seem to recall a dyed-in-the-wool Lowe Luvvie admonishing the contributors to a nostalgia thread a few weeks back, claiming that we have no right to refer back to the past in case it reflects badly on the present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 And I seem to recall that you squeal for the attention of the mods when anyone writes anything even slightly confrontational on your threads and yet here you are, standing toe to toe with Dibden Purlieu Saint. Congratulations. Have a banana. How would you know how often I have reported something (FYI its about three times since this latest site incarnation resurrected itself) ? Perhaps you should spend a little less time beleiving the hype of those with an agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 As someone else said above, the one thing magic ingredient missing at the moment is hope. There cannot be too many people who turn up at SMS thinking we'll win nowadays and so the whole club has sunken into depression, including this forum. Everyone blames everyone else, while the principle architects swan off on holiday or wherever while Rome burns. One of the few exciting prospects with our club right now is Lowe and Wilde losing their shares when we enter administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 I marvel at some people's intimate knowledge of the completely inane... Think some of us would say that its your three boils though and they ALL need lancing, jusr getting rid of one, will I suspect stiil see you going home alone.. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 I marvel at some people's intimate knowledge of the completely inane... don't knock it, in 100 years time when some rsearcher is trying to put together the history if that site then this thread is going to pop up in google and make their day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 End of the day, we do tend to overcomplicate everything - when the reality is really much more simple. Since relegation the overwhelming problem is simplt lack of cash. It meant Lowe spent nothing in his prudence, Wilde and CRouch spent 7mil or bust - approved by the appointed board who undoudtedly felt secure that tge money promised by Wilde in his campaign would be coming in shortly, but go to the back of the class at directopr school for failing to get anything contractually agreed before releasing teh cash reserves, Then Crouch, who gave the perception money was not aproblem - someone will invest next week so we dont need cuts - a perception he was mor interested in being popular than in doing what was probably necessary, now Lowe back, claiming we are so skint we need to use the kids only cos they are cheap.... is it any wonder that most fans are confused, negative and ****ed off? We, the club, are skint and it means misery. However, all I would add is Whilst there is a club to support that calls itself SFC, i'll be behind them.... lifes too short to deny yourself appropriate quantities of football misery - it flows through the viens of all fans - Its pre ordained the moment we make that mistake of going to the first game as kids, we are infected - prepared to be miserable should be printed on every ticket in everyland, even at old Trafford, because when they do finally have a seaosn where they get beat in all the trophies... and they will, it will infect their fans too. Cheer up, its part of the game and if you ask a 80 year old fan of nearly every club, they will recall ups and downs worse than what we feel ahs happened to us in teh last 4 years - we just notice it more now because of the cash crisis. We will ahve our time again, but we may need to wait a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 My guess is that we are talking about football as much as we possibly can. When nostalgia threads come up. People love to post their stories. But today's football is pretty ordinary, we started to get excited about Surman and Lallana, but they have purple patches and quite possibly can;t carry the weight of mediocrity around them. Because I don't go, for whatever reason, as like 15000 other Saints fans, we don't 'see' the football to be part of it. I cannot honestly comment on a players ability if I wasn't there, even the TV camera's don't give a true representation of how a player has played. So, where does that leave us? Here, I'm afraid, squabbling and fighting amongst ourselves. Why? Because we can't fight (debate) against other teams in our league and opponents because most have now conceded that we're not going to win. We can't discuss tactics decently, because we don't really know what ours are, or our strengths, we only know our weaknesses. We can't talk about those all the time. Then there's local rivalry, we can't even slate Pompey for how bad they are at the moment, because they've got someway to catch us up, regardless of how quickly that may be if they get relegated this season. Frankly, we have no hopes and dreams, we can't see the end of the tunnel and of course we'll turn on each other. And I can hold my hands up and say that I have been antagonistic from time to time. I try and keep to the topics, I try and give a balanced view, but ultimately, in order to draw a debate on this site, you have to be slightly controversial otherwise we've seen it, read it, argued it. And quite frankly, sometimes it's good to get those frustrations out. I still refrain from swearing and getting personal whenever I can, but sometimes you just have to join the 'others', just to cheer yourself up from time to time. However, the point that so many reasonable posters are playing this game and sticking with it, is a good thing, because we need good posters, because when things turn around again, we need to be able to talk about all those good things about football. And we ALL hope there will be a SFC next year, and the year after etc, but things ain't great at the moment, we ALL know that, we ALL see that, we ALL just don't agree why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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