Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 serious question. it is a no on both counts for me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 serious question. it is a no on both counts for me.. No to both but... a) Admin may already be imminent...we don't know - when are the interims out?? b) Wotte is making his own job harder by pontifications in the press.. It's a results led business...as a supposedly astute businessman once said. Just because you don't support the regime, does not mean you don't support the TEAM. Wotte would do well to understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 No and No But that is using my heart. My educated brain tells me that if this guy was not good enough in holland and couldn't get his methods to work there then what chance does he having it work in one of the most competative leagues in the world? I will cheer the players on home and away as i had under JP and those before him. But i think most sane people realise the position which he himself helped to create is very very tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 No and No But that is using my heart. My educated brain tells me that if this guy was not good enough in holland and couldn't get his methods to work there then what chance does he having it work in one of the most competative leagues in the world? I will cheer the players on home and away as i had under JP and those before him. But i think most sane people realise the position which he himself helped to create is very very tough. what chance has anyone got with our team? we had a much better squad of players last season and nigel pearson football genius kept us up on the last day of the season with about 10 mins to spare... im amazed we are still in with a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 No and No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 what chance has anyone got with our team? we had a much better squad of players last season and nigel pearson football genius kept us up on the last day of the season with about 10 mins to spare... im amazed we are still in with a chance Forest have a poor team and they seem to be doing better since they change manager don't they? A manager who inspires his team can get them to play above their ability. We will see if Wotte is that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Forest have a poor team and they seem to be doing better since they change manager don't they? Sadly, they have a better team than us on paper and on grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 no and no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Sadly, they have a better team than us on paper and on grass. They started off with some better results but of late their form is awful, probably nearly as bad as ours. One point out of 4 league games and Davies is starting to whinge about the lack of experience in his "small" squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Sadly, they have a better team than us on paper and on grass. The point is when he joined they were in the relegation zone with 24 points sinking, he has now got them clear of the relegation zone and has 34 points. In that same period we have got just 5 points. A whole new approach can work wonders, sometimes it doesn't, a manager and his personality as well as ability account for a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 If Wotte fails then Saints fail and no genuine Saints supporter could want that. The same can be said for administration. That doesn't mean to say that I like Wotte or the style of football that we have been playing this season, but if we were winning every game then I wouldn't care to managed the team or who owned the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 While he is responsible for Saints I do of course not want him to fail. Nor does anyone supporting the club. Once he leaves, I want him to rot in hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 serious question. it is a no on both counts for me.. No to both. But Wotte will fail and we will probably go into administration. So with that reality hanging over us lets make a 'difficult' decision and sack the certainty for failure that is Wotte and Lowe and get some optimism going to save this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 stanley...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Sadly, they have a better team than us on paper and on grass. Doncaster ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Doncaster ? Warrington? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Nobody wants either of these things to happen, but some regard it as the best way of stopping the spiralling decline of our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 stanley...? What sailor boy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Obviously a no to both from me. It's looking inevitable though, if someone offered me a point deduction now and a new experienced manager and chairman in charge for the start of next season i'd take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 No x 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Silly question. No-one wants us to go into Admin (unless they are a Skate). Fact is we are close to Administration because of the fact that we are run by an unsuccessful business man, supported by a failed property developer who also appointed a bunch of crooks to run the club when the previous crook was booted out. No-one wants Wotte to fail, but his showing so far is not really showing much encouragement is it. How many wins so far since he stepped up? People who think supoprters want failure are just plain daft. People who cannot see that the damage already done is verging on the terminal are wearing rose-tinted spectacles. Of course a 5 point gap could be closed, but based on form so far the likelihood is that it will not. Our best hope was to replace JP with someone who had some ideas, but instead we replaced him with someone who was not considered better than Jan in the first place. I still maintain that the group of players we have (possibly including those loaned out) were good enough in the right inexpensive hands for mid-table obscurity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Yes to admin. The plc structure just aint working. We would have a better chance of selling the club if one person or group owns it - even if that person is Lowe perversely. I see admin as a necessary evil and can only see things getting worse until we stop being owned by the plc. Let's nip this in the bud and move on now. Yes to Wotte failing. Not really sure what constitutes success or failure frankly. I would like us to stay up as I dont see that preventing admin although it may delay it. Do I want him to succeed on a personal level? No - everything he has said and done so far has made him look like a tossser in my eyes. He's not a good enough manager for us and I want us to move him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Silly question. No-one wants us to go into Admin (unless they are a Skate). No-one wants Wotte to fail, I thought that you were a regular on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 If Wotte fails then Saints fail and no genuine Saints supporter could want that. The same can be said for administration. That doesn't mean to say that I like Wotte or the style of football that we have been playing this season, but if we were winning every game then I wouldn't care to managed the team or who owned the club. And that Whitely is really all that anyone should expect or ask. I salute thus post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Sadly its not everyone - Saint Billiy says "The only thing I am looking for is the day that Lowe and Wildes names are not associated with this club. Up and till that day I will rely on my memories of when this club was truly Southampton FC, when it was a united and proud club, when on its day it could beat the best, when I could look up at the directors box and respect the people in it. Until then, this club does not deserve our time,money or support. If it means that the only way this will happen is by relegation and admin then so be it. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Sadly its not everyone - Saint Billiy says "The only thing I am looking for is the day that Lowe and Wildes names are not associated with this club. Up and till that day I will rely on my memories of when this club was truly Southampton FC, when it was a united and proud club, when on its day it could beat the best, when I could look up at the directors box and respect the people in it. Until then, this club does not deserve our time,money or support. If it means that the only way this will happen is by relegation and admin then so be it. " Gotta say, you cannot help but empathise with this point of view. The thing is, none of us would wish for failure for the club and if we were doing reasonably ok, there would be few complaints. The trouble is, its not like that is it? The club is in a terrible, terrible mess. Lowe's promised recovery has not only stalled, its driven us deeper into the mire. Like him or loath him, Lowe has proven once again to be an utter disaster for this club and the evidence is there for all to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 No to both. But I want Wotte to show the humility required of a failure until he succeeds, then he be as arrogant as he fecking well likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Don't think anyone wants Wotte to fail or admin. Wotte seems to be confusing people wanting him to fail with people wanting him out because he is a s**t manager who has done nothing to turn our fortunes around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Sadly its not everyone - Saint Billiy says "The only thing I am looking for is the day that Lowe and Wildes names are not associated with this club. Up and till that day I will rely on my memories of when this club was truly Southampton FC, when it was a united and proud club, when on its day it could beat the best, when I could look up at the directors box and respect the people in it. Until then, this club does not deserve our time,money or support. If it means that the only way this will happen is by relegation and admin then so be it. " I don't agree with it but it could be argued that it is in the long term interests of the club to get rid of Lowe/Wilde and the PLC so relegation and admin is a price worth paying? Short term pain for long term gain. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean they are any less of a fan than you for holding that opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I don't agree with it but it could be argued that it is in the long term interests of the club to get rid of Lowe/Wilde and the PLC so relegation and admin is a price worth paying? Short term pain for long term gain. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean they are any less of a fan than you for holding that opinion. And nor does it show that there is any overwhelming desire from the vast majority of supporters to go into administration just so we can be rid of Lowe & co. But sadly that won't stop Frank and other misguided posters pretend that it is the case and then continue to shout about it at every opportunity in an attempt to cloud the issue and create an entirely false argument. It's exactly the same lazy and cheap shot trotted out by some who say people are only against Lowe because of his background, snobbery, fondness for hockey etc. It conveniently misses the point. A post similar to this was doen before in which posters were asked if they would accept relegation if it meant getting rid of Lowe, and the vast majority once again sadi no. It didn't stop the falsehood being trotted out again a few weeks later, so I wouldn't expect a NO vote on here to have any different effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Yes to all four Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Nobody wants either of these things to happen, but some regard it as the best way of stopping the spiralling decline of our club. Do you genuinely unequivocally answer No to both questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Sadly its not everyone - Saint Billiy says "The only thing I am looking for is the day that Lowe and Wildes names are not associated with this club. Up and till that day I will rely on my memories of when this club was truly Southampton FC, when it was a united and proud club, when on its day it could beat the best, when I could look up at the directors box and respect the people in it. Until then, this club does not deserve our time,money or support. If it means that the only way this will happen is by relegation and admin then so be it. " And I stand by what I said. Look, maybe some of you can stomach Lowe riding back into this club on a white horse blaming everyone else for its situation, putting people in charge of team affairs who are blatantly not up for the job. Basically he is just continuing where he left off by making outrageous clangers and the club is suffering for it. What I would like is for him and Wilde to just give in now and take a back seat and stop meddling with the club, along with the no hopes he has got running the team. Perhaps we might have seen a change of fortune and a new born hope for survival and a more united fanbase willing to support to the death. But it is clear that they are both determined to carry on. So as it is, relegation is almost a certainty and administration is a realistic fear, they are both horrible prospects, and the only grain of positive I can take from that outcome is that at least the names Lowe and Wilde will not be linked to sfc. They have got us to this stage, not you or I, and they are not worthy of your support, and the sooner they understand that message, the better for all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Can't help but think this whole thread is a little bit of FISHING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 (edited) I don't want the club to go into administration. I don't want us to keep loosing so many home games. Lowe/Wilde/Wotte have had their way. They have failed, they have lost too many of their loyal paying customers. I will be sad if we loose on Saturday and happy if we win. If we suddenly win lots of matches then maybe the wounds will heal. Sadly I doubt it Edited 21 February, 2009 by WealdSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 nigel pearson football genius kept us up on the last day of the season with about 10 mins to spare... I have seen this snide comment repeated before on the forum, and I don't understand it. Should the manager have caused us to score the winner earlier? We stayed up! Why not be happy and/or proud of that fact rather than sneering like that? Are you a Saints fan or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Do you genuinely unequivocally answer No to both questions I've given my answer. Cant you read or something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 both scenarios are inevitable, thus yes for me (the sooner the better!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Nay lad, nay.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 What is the point in this? You love a good bicker on this forum dont you. Nobody actually wants bad things to happen to this club and suggesting that they do and then trying to 'out' these people is so pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 What is the point in this? You love a good bicker on this forum dont you. Nobody actually wants bad things to happen to this club and suggesting that they do and then trying to 'out' these people is so pathetic. i think you are wrong...some have admitted to wanting the club to go into oblivion and wotte to fail so rupert will lose money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 i think you are wrong...some have admitted to wanting the club to go into oblivion and wotte to fail so rupert will lose money... Maybe they do but how come it is of importance to try and find out who they are? Do you honestly care? If they are that way inclined then they are very short sighted and have no relevance as a voice of opinion anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 i think you are wrong...some have admitted to wanting the club to go into oblivion and wotte to fail so rupert will lose money... TDD - let's face it, whatever Rupey Baby does now, he's already lost stacks - especially for his backers. With Admin it would be even more. That's not to say that he won't put us into Admin next Tuesday following the board meeting and then blame the fans...'We've done all we can...sob' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 i think you are wrong...some have admitted to wanting the club to go into oblivion and wotte to fail so rupert will lose money... Name them, and prove it..........simple really!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Name them, and prove it..........simple really!!! ffs, one has admitted so on this very thread.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 one is not some...........some is more than three, or so I was taught at school.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 one is not some...........some is more than three, or so I was taught at school.... do you actually read this site... stu stanley alpine I have not even looked into other threads yet and would no doubt find more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 ffs, one has admitted so on this very thread.. exactly one.........so why do you make such a big thing about one view....did everyone make a big thing of your JP support in the friendlies then turncoat bit later in the season when you wanted Billy Davies(so did I)? We all make choices and get it wrong...I did with Judas Cowerd Wilde...big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 TDD sorry, I don't read it as much as you, nor do I post as much as you. They are big boys and can defend themselves...........much as we thinkthe same, I cannot agree with that sentiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 No to both. However I would like like the arrogant dutchman to clear off with Lowe and his cronies a.s.a.p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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