Mole Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Without a shadow of a doubt Lowe will be most to blame for the relegation. We had a cracking manager in Nigel Pearson who united the club and who the players respected. Lowe then undid the feelgood factor and brought in two failed Lower league rejects from Holland. Lowe also loaned out Saga to Aalborg and in my opinion he would have contributed enough points to have pulled us clear had he been available all season. Once again Lowes incompetent decisions will be the reason for the continuing demise of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 The fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 If we do get relegated, i would imagine lowe will resign or at least offer his resignation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Maybe this can be doctored for Saints... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 If we do get relegated, i would imagine lowe will resign or at least offer his resignation Only for his resignation to be rejected by fellow boardmembers (ie Cronies) before he completes his post-Admin Takeover. Nah, rethink all of that. It's our fault because we let our thoughts known... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 If we do get relegated, i would imagine lowe will resign or at least offer his resignation Didn't he go through with a similar charade when we dropped out of the Prem ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 i say woote, has he not yet realised that when a side comes to sms with the object of playing a 2 lines of 4 and 5 close together you must play over the top and/or get behind 'em. how many derby counties et al does the man want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2009 If we do get relegated, i would imagine lowe will resign or at least offer his resignation He may offer his resignation as a token gesture if he knows it'll be declined - like he did the last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I blame the protesters for not protesting earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 He may offer his resignation as a token gesture if he knows it'll be declined - like he did the last time. But how about, this time, the rest of the board have a cunning plan? He offers his resignation AND THEY ACCEPT IT!!!!!! They don't want to drive him out now because it'll cost them money to 'sack' him. He resigns - they accept - he gets no compensation (I think). Meh - stupid thought BTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2009 But how about, this time, the rest of the board have a cunning plan? He offers his resignation AND THEY ACCEPT IT!!!!!! They don't want to drive him out now because it'll cost them money to 'sack' him. He resigns - they accept - he gets no compensation (I think). Meh - stupid thought BTF And can you really see meek Mike wanting to get rid of Lowe. If he did that he'd have to do some work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 If Lowe does leave Stanley - Whatever will you post about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Our woes this season can be traced back to the collapse of Lehman Brothers. Fact. Global financial crisis = no-one splashing out on football clubs = no investment in players and management = simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Stanley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Our woes this season can be traced back to the collapse of Lehman Brothers. Fact. Global financial crisis = no-one splashing out on football clubs = no investment in players and management = simple The refusal of SISU's offer must then be considered a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 The refusal of SISU's offer must then be considered a huge mistake. Nope, you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Without a shadow of a doubt Lowe will be most to blame for the relegation. We had a cracking manager in Nigel Pearson who united the club and who the players respected. Lowe then undid the feelgood factor and brought in two failed Lower league rejects from Holland. Lowe also loaned out Saga to Aalborg and in my opinion he would have contributed enough points to have pulled us clear had he been available all season. Once again Lowes incompetent decisions will be the reason for the continuing demise of the club. Disagree, Wilde is most to blame. If he had not supported Lowe, then he would not have been able to regain power. Handing power to an incompetent so-called businessman is the root of the problem. we all knoew he was incompetent, but Wilde, who of course is also incompetent, demonstrated incompetence of a higher order by failing to recognise this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Without a shadow of a doubt Lowe will be most to blame for the relegation. We had a cracking manager in Nigel Pearson who united the club and who the players respected. Lowe then undid the feelgood factor and brought in two failed Lower league rejects from Holland. Lowe also loaned out Saga to Aalborg and in my opinion he would have contributed enough points to have pulled us clear had he been available all season. Once again Lowes incompetent decisions will be the reason for the continuing demise of the club. And there was me thinking that your thread title was asking a genuine question. But, no, you've gone and answered it. And I have to say that your answer came as a total surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 First of all we are not down yet! It's not looking healthy but at least for once other results went OK on Saturday. IF it did happen these for me are the main factors: - Askham: setting up a share deadlock that made him wealthy man and shafted the club. Still meddling too. - Lowe: Forgetting past errors, appointing JP was sheer lunacy and I suspect has interfered until Wotte told him to butt out - JP: wasted our loans this season with the squad so threadbare and stupid tactics - David Jones (Finance Director) - almost as culpable as Askham, has been there since Secure Retirement came in - Wilde: Didn't deliver as Chairman, appointed rubbish into key Senior posts and daft u-turn. - The players - haven't worked hard enough often enough and don't have the same level of committment or character as past squads that have successfully negotiated drop battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 First of all we are not down yet! It's not looking healthy but at least for once other results went OK on Saturday. IF it did happen these for me are the main factors: - Askham: setting up a share deadlock that made him wealthy man and shafted the club. Still meddling too. - Lowe: Forgetting past errors, appointing JP was sheer lunacy and I suspect has interfered until Wotte told him to butt out - JP: wasted our loans this season with the squad so threadbare and stupid tactics - David Jones (Finance Director) - almost as culpable as Askham, has been there since Secure Retirement came in - Wilde: Didn't deliver as Chairman, appointed rubbish into key Senior posts and daft u-turn. - The players - haven't worked hard enough often enough and don't have the same level of committment or character as past squads that have successfully negotiated drop battles. Pretty much sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Without a shadow of a doubt Lowe will be most to blame for the relegation. We had a cracking manager in Nigel Pearson who united the club and who the players respected. Lowe then undid the feelgood factor and brought in two failed Lower league rejects from Holland. Lowe also loaned out Saga to Aalborg and in my opinion he would have contributed enough points to have pulled us clear had he been available all season. Once again Lowes incompetent decisions will be the reason for the continuing demise of the club. Why start a thread with the Title ' Who will be to blame etc etc' then answer the question yourself in a 'I'm right your wrong' manner??. What an arrogant tool you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Wilde, Wilde and Wilde - for the situation we find ourselves in now! he failed and should have left it at that - sold his shares and left us alone - not come back and bring Lowe with him! first he ousted Lowe (not a necessarily a bad thing), promised £7 million, appointed Hone, Hoos and Oldknow, let them kick him out, never delivered the £7 million which had already been spent, didn't sack Burley, let Hone rule without a mandate - leaving us with an overpaid squad, £5-6 million in debt, a terrible manager and a wage bill we couldn't afford and a sqaud fit for relegation and then when Crouch and Pearson seemed to have finally started to sort things out on and off the pitch he comes back hand-in-hand with Lowe - forcing the Double Dutch experiment on us, putting bling faith in kids and kids alone, and splitting the club into many parts and factions - oh and put us in yet another relegation battle a meddling old professor - and yet another academic who should have stuck to his unreal world and left us in the real world alone! would we still be in the CCC if Lowe had been left in charge 2 years ago? - yes but we wouldn't be £5 million in debt - and we would probably be in mid table obscurity (please!) Would we be better off if Crouch and Pearson had been left in charge last year - yes - undoubtedly - we would be mid table, maybe even pushing for a play-off place. We'd probably still be in debt - but probably not staring oblivion in the face as we seem to be now Wilde had done far more harm than good - and twice over now do us all a favour Michael - sell your shares in the Summer - to Lowe if nobody else wants them and leave SFC well alone! I'm sure Liverpool need rescuing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Lowe most to blame based on this season. Very very very close second is Burley and the previous board for wasting our best chance of a quick return and absolute vital money. I think we'd have struggled under most managers this season and I'm far from convinced Pearson would have kept us up. Still, we have a good chance yet so there's little to gain from dwelling on it yet. 8 huge games to come so let's just support all we can and win as many as possible. IMO 13 points might do it. Still a big ask, and that includes winning at forest. Stay up or go down though, I think it's important we're more together next season, so a new board is needed, and of course, we need to force out Stanley. Difficult to disagree with this. Burley left the team in a shambolic state. Unfit and hugely overpaid. Lowe is just unhinged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Lowe has to take all the blame IMO, sacking Pearson and putting Pootvleit in charge was a mistake of Steve Wigley proportions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fos1 Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Wilde and Lowe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Without a shadow of a doubt Lowe will be most to blame for the relegation. We had a cracking manager in Nigel Pearson who united the club and who the players respected. Lowe then undid the feelgood factor and brought in two failed Lower league rejects from Holland. Lowe also loaned out Saga to Aalborg and in my opinion he would have contributed enough points to have pulled us clear had he been available all season. Once again Lowes incompetent decisions will be the reason for the continuing demise of the club. I was going to answer but you seem to know the answer you were looking for so to add anything to this non-debate is almost as pointless as the original question. Is there any need to be so smug at things being so rubbish at saints? I thought it was only Skates that reveled so much in our demise. Oh wait...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I was going to answer but you seem to know the answer you were looking for so to add anything to this non-debate is almost as pointless as the original question. Is there any need to be so smug at things being so rubbish at saints? I thought it was only Skates that reveled so much in our demise. Oh wait...... My thoughts exactly, Stanley had very little to say when we won three on the trot, now we are off the boil again he cant get enough of it. He is clearly either a WUM or a Fish Fornicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 My thoughts exactly, Stanley had very little to say when we won three on the trot, now we are off the boil again he cant get enough of it. He is clearly either a WUM or a Fish Fornicator. During a match once he actually came accross like he gave a sh!t. But it was only the once and my changing views on him didnt last long as he was soon back to his old ways of enjoying our failure and sniping at anyone who thought different to him. I have yet to be convinced he is actually a saints fan at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I would blame the cruel hand of fate... 'The best-laid plans of mice and men go oft astray, and leave us naught but grief and pain for promised joy.' How can any one person be held accountable for the swipe of God's mighty hand? "There is special providence in the fall of the sparrow. If it be now, 'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come. The readiness is all. Since no man of aught he leaves knows, what isn't to leave betimes? Let be." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I would blame the cruel hand of fate... 'The best-laid plans of mice and men go oft astray, and leave us naught but grief and pain for promised joy.' How can any one person be held accountable for the swipe of God's mighty hand? "There is special providence in the fall of the sparrow. If it be now, 'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come. The readiness is all. Since no man of aught he leaves knows, what isn't to leave betimes? Let be." I've tried that in the Google Translation and it came back as.... 'There has been some almighty foook-ups at Southampton Football Club over the years but this season just about tops the lot' Am I right??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Lowe has to take all the blame IMO, sacking Pearson and putting Pootvleit in charge was a mistake of Steve Wigley proportions. Worse by a long way than the Wigley decision - and that's saying something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyhale Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Whats the point of a silly thread like this who gives a toss about blame. If we go down what the point of blame. We have had years of blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Monkey Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I Blame the people who are looking for someone to blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Seriously though I'd blame the fair-weather, stay-away 'fans' who didn't want to know as soon as we started to struggle. They have been the real problem this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Seriously though I'd blame the fair-weather, stay-away 'fans' who didn't want to know as soon as we started to struggle. They have been the real problem this season. Oh sorry...not the appointment of a Wessex League standard 'coach', giving him 30 games and then loaning out the very players who would be capable of scoring the goals to save us? Yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Adam. Should never have bitten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Lowe, Wilde, Askham, Richards, Cowan, Jones and the rest of The Lavender Hill Mob. Followed by the second rate Dutch crew WOTTE, JP and not forgetting Ruperts Valet, Kim where are The WHALES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2009 My thoughts exactly, Stanley had very little to say when we won three on the trot, now we are off the boil again he cant get enough of it. He is clearly either a WUM or a Fish Fornicator. Criticism coming from you that really hurts. I've started having nightmares of you coming after me in your little tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Oh sorry...not the appointment of a Wessex League standard 'coach', giving him 30 games and then loaning out the very players who would be capable of scoring the goals to save us? Yeah right. With londonsaint anyone and evryone is to blame apart from his beloved Rupert.:smt049:smt049:smt049 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Oh sorry...not the appointment of a Wessex League standard 'coach', giving him 30 games and then loaning out the very players who would be capable of scoring the goals to save us? Yeah right. That just makes the team sh!te though - shame the supporters followed suite.... funny, I dont recall seeing the bit in the 'how to be a fan manual' that said we should stop attending the moment the team get crap , the manager is Crap or the board is crap - If its the fans that are the ONLY thing at the club that are not crap, then we should be proud of that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Who's to blame? The stay away fans IMHO:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I blame Joan, who washes the kit. She changed the washing powder some time ago and we have gone downhill ever since. Blame whoever you like, it won't change anything:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 And can you really see meek Mike wanting to get rid of Lowe. If he did that he'd have to do some work. If Lowe leaves what will happen to his puppet's strings as they'll not stretch too far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Nineteen, Sundance and Scooby Where are they these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 With londonsaint anyone and evryone is to blame apart from his beloved Rupert.:smt049:smt049:smt049 You leave him out of this! Anyway that's not strictly true, I would also exonerate JP and Wotte of any blame :smt049:smt049 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Lack of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 (edited) Lowe. He's CEO and he'd have overseen two relegations. Almost all the staff underneath have changed so, whatever the many, many other factors that have contributed to our current position and are highlighted in posts above, he is the main man that is ultimatley accountable. He'd have overseen a slashing in attendance, a massive reduction in turnover and much inferior product on display. Sure, the margins of success and failure are very thin in football (although this year his policies have directly impacted us so if we stay up or not he needs to go and fingers crossed we stay up) This is not a 'quick fix' or whim or knee jerk reaction. This is over the course of 10 years. This is a man who has turned a successful football club and business into a very unsuccessful one. Whatever good he did in the first part of his first tenure he must be held accountable if we get relegated again, and should quit even if we manage to turn it around despite his influence this year. Edited 16 March, 2009 by Sheff Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Anyone who has missed an open goal or an easy chance when a 1-O win instead of a 0-0 draw would have made all the difference. It's as basic as that. I blamed the players 100% last time, this time they may only get credited with 90%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Anyone who has missed an open goal or an easy chance when a 1-O win instead of a 0-0 draw would have made all the difference. It's as basic as that. I blamed the players 100% last time, this time they may only get credited with 90%. Have the players underperformed this year? Not especially. They've not been great but i don't think you can label them as underperforming. We've just played some very poor players at times this season and not utlisied the good players well enough. The likes of Skacel and Euell have been ok when they've played, probably played better than the treatment they've had warrants, to be fair. The likes of Lancashire and Smith are probably doing as well as they can, which is someway short of the required standard in the CCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Danny fecking Higginbotham. FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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