Pompey Takeover Saga

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MattyC

Thursday, March 1, 2012 at 03:11 PM

 

A buyer will step in on 2 conditions: 1) BC drops what he is after 2) SG drops what he is after.......................................... one will bring the other but who will move first? Bc will lose, alledgedly, 17 million is he does not. 3 million is better than nothing and a ruined business as Pompey Fans wil ruin him. So BC................... be a man, use your love for Pompey and drop your asking price. That done a buyer will come in within hours. If not. Goodnight Pompey

 

LOL..AS IF

His "love for Pompey"?!

I'm intrigued as to how he expects Pompey fans to ruin Chainrai as well...

His "love for Pompey"?!

 

I'm intrigued as to how he expects Pompey fans to ruin Chainrai as well...

That post perfectly sums up their ignorance. 'BC drops what he is after' 'SG drops what he is after'. Yes, because two businessmen are really going to conveniently forget about HUGE sums of money they are owed just because 14,000 football fans want them to. What a disgrace.

I wanted to pop on the news site and pledge my best wishes to the wailling,snivelling few but my account has been blocked....cannot imagine why?

perhaps i upset them in some way....

1 March 2012 at 02:58 PM

Appy pompeii

This will work 100% We need to work out how the league table will look if we drop out of it as all results-points will be void for teams we have played thus changing the positions of the league. Once we have worked out the clubs that could do with us staying in existence (like west ham as they would lose 6 points if we go) we then go to them and ask for some cash !

Yep that's right, they actually think that blackmail is a viable way to survive. Someone please just pull the plug on them.

does this change your mind?

 

Mr Birch added: ‘The parachute payments are through to 2014. Pompey is due about £14m. The problem is that we have football creditors. Old football creditors and ones still accruing. Out of that £14m there might be £7 – 10m of football creditors that will have to he paid.’

I thought they had all been paid from the previous PPs? Also why no transfer embargo during the summer with these outstanding debts.

Chinny's quaking in his boots at the thought of being ruined by Pompey fans, f'sure...

i really wonder if they still say that the two cup finals, 1 win and the draw against AC Milan was all worth this...?

That's a good question Delldays

His "love for Pompey"?!

 

I'm intrigued as to how he expects Pompey fans to ruin Chainrai as well...

I'm beginning to warm to MattyC. The more I read of his posts, the more I'm convinced he's a stripey on a wind up

Matt Slater‏@mattslaterbbc

Alarming noises from #Pompey but don't forget Birch knows the game. He's playing hardball with UHY, FL/PL, Gaydamak, Chainrai etc

Yep. Birch knows exactly what he is doing. They will survive, but my hope is that they get relegated at least to league one hopefully league two before they recover.

I can't help thinking they will survive till then end of the season.....boooooooooooo

remember, we were "hours" away from going bust....apparently.

does this change your mind?

 

Mr Birch added: ‘The parachute payments are through to 2014. Pompey is due about £14m. The problem is that we have football creditors. Old football creditors and ones still accruing. Out of that £14m there might be £7 – 10m of football creditors that will have to he paid.’

Not at all. Birch knows what he is doing. He would have been reasonably confident of a sale before e took them on. They have survived much worse than this and will do it again. IMO birch will sell. Whether they get a decent owner is another matter. Last time I looked at the figures and thought they were toast yet someone came and bought them. I reckon the same will happen this time too.

I thought they had all been paid from the previous PPs? Also why no transfer embargo during the summer with these outstanding debts.

Those that were immediately due at the time have been paid from previous parachute payments, but such is the nature of some transfers that many aren't due until 2-3 years down the line. The transfer fee itself is often paid in instalments, and then there are potential add-ons like a sell-on fee, extra payments if the player plays a certain number of games, scores a certain number of goals, the team wins the league, etc. It's *those* legacy commitments (or even "potential" commitments) that he's referring to there, I think.

Last time I looked at the figures and thought they were toast yet someone came and bought them. .....

But (1) CSI weren't exactly straight up and honest businessmen, and (2) BC made damn sure he kept his 'lean' on PFC as he didn't trust CSI to pay up. ( And he was proved correct ).

Elements of the boy that cried wolf isn't there? On one hand no other club in their position has been liquidated on the other hand no premiership club had gone into admin before they did.

I can't help thinking they will survive till then end of the season.....boooooooooooo

 

remember, we were "hours" away from going bust....apparently.

Exactly! Give one example of a club like Portsmouth that have been liquidated? And this time their situation isn't nearly as bad as last time in terms of the debt mountain.

I was certain they were toast last time and the judge let them off because football clubs are an exception to the law and no one has the backbone to pull the plug. Nothing has changed in that respect and I'm sure TB will look to sell to anyone before allowing them to go pop completely.

And do you really think that the football league are going to withhold future parachute money if it means Pompey going bust before the end of the season? (if that really is the choice and not scare tactics as I mentioned.) Of course not, at the very least if that is the only way that they can survive, the league will keep them going until May. Much better from the league's POV to forward them some cash than to watch them go pop an leave them to sort out the mess.

Howe set to talk with administrator over club buyout

This will save the club:rolleyes:

And do you really think that the football league are going to withhold future parachute money if it means Pompey going bust before the end of the season?

It's not up to the Football League.

As i have a season ticket, which means I have paid up front for x amount of matches, if they go bust before our game do I become a 'football creditor'?

What a wonderful day.

 

 

WTFILN

Thanks for reminding me. I've just put a bottle of sparkling in the 'fridge and suggest everyone do likewise so that all PTS readers and contributors can have a virtual toast together when the final moment arrives..

Had a morning not of golf but of skiing (thats for Corpy, by the way..) and was eager to get back to read the thread. You can tell when things are happening by the number of pages unread!

Being nasty doesn't come easily to me, so I'll promise now to donate a fiver to any AFCPompey revival, as long as it's below conference level...

It's not up to the Football League.

They must hold influence though? At the very least I would expect them to send out their top performers on loan and limp on until May. The alternative is something that the league will not want at all.

Jesus are they actually gonna go?

I thought they had all been paid from the previous PPs? Also why no transfer embargo during the summer with these outstanding debts.

I would guess more payments are now due on players etc to other clubs

Jesus are they actually gonna go?

I thought they had 6 weeks. I couldn't make it add up, I thought the money bought them 4 weeks. But 9 days!!!!

Elements of the boy that cried wolf isn't there?

Ha! You may not believe me but I'm actually at the 'puter swapping between this thread and preparing an adaptation of that story to tell to the kids at local primary schools!

Elements of the boy that cried wolf isn't there? On one hand no other club in their position has been liquidated on the other hand no premiership club had gone into admin before they did.

Exactly. They will be liquidated - the lack of a precedent has nothing to do with it. The only question is when.

It looks like the 2013 parachute payments are already allocated to football debts, then 2014 payments £8m could if not required be available. It looks like there is nothing due for two years.

sorry for being a thicko but if other teams are still owed for past transfers then why give the parachute payment to sacha instead of settling these debts first?

sorry for being a thicko but if other teams are still owed for past transfers then why give the parachute payment to sacha instead of settling these debts first?

Because AA did a deal with Gaydamak that he would give him those parachute payments as long as he agreed to the CVA.

Funny, I was always told by Pompey fans (perhaps by Corp too) that the parachute payments "covered" the CVA. Another load of pompey bull**** then....

I really want to know what Corp Ho's take on all this......

They must hold influence though? At the very least I would expect them to send out their top performers on loan and limp on until May. The alternative is something that the league will not want at all.

Nope, they've got absolutely no say in how/when the PL distributes parachute payments.

sorry for being a thicko but if other teams are still owed for past transfers then why give the parachute payment to sacha instead of settling these debts first?

I think the situation is that the money to gady is the first PP to become available after the football debts have been paid.

I see someone set up a new company called "PORTSMOUTH FOOTBALL CLUB LTD" last week.....

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/993d28cae4b39ec03e9ebdc6e028b904/compdetails

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What's that all about then....?

And do you really think that the football league are going to withhold future parachute money if it means Pompey going bust before the end of the season? (if that really is the choice and not scare tactics as I mentioned.) Of course not, at the very least if that is the only way that they can survive, the league will keep them going until May. Much better from the league's POV to forward them some cash than to watch them go pop an leave them to sort out the mess.

The FL will not allow them to fail before the end of the season, because it would, in their eyes, be catastrophic to have to " readjust" the CCC table by docking all points prior to them folding

Simples

I really want to know what Corp Ho's take on all this......

Here Corpy corpy corpy.........

WTFILN?

I see someone set up a new company called "PORTSMOUTH FOOTBALL CLUB LTD" last week.....

 

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/993d28cae4b39ec03e9ebdc6e028b904/compdetails

 

What's that all about then....?

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Statement of capital = £1.... hmmm....

sorry for being a thicko but if other teams are still owed for past transfers then why give the parachute payment to sacha instead of settling these debts first?

Based purely on the choice of words in the administrators' statement... "Assignmnet" would mean that they had signed over the legal entitlement to the parachute money to gaydamack (sp?). However if this was the case and the parachute payments had been assigned to gaydamack, why was he included in the CVA?

It also seems a little strange that the PL / FL would let them assign the payment to somebody else...

I see someone set up a new company called "PORTSMOUTH FOOTBALL CLUB LTD" last week.....

 

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/993d28cae4b39ec03e9ebdc6e028b904/compdetails

 

 

What's that all about then....?

Hayling Island, eh?

I see someone set up a new company called "PORTSMOUTH FOOTBALL CLUB LTD" last week.....

 

 

 

What's that all about then....?

Does it costs much to register a company name?

Can't we just register loads using up all possible variations of Portsmouth FC.

Question is according to the BBC etc the next 4 PP's are to go to Gady. So what happens to those payments if pompey go to the wall? Would he still get them? Specifically would he get the next/first one? If the answer is no then surely its in his interest to come to an agreement where some goes to pompey to keep them going?

Please Please Please let Storrie take over again :lol:

I see someone set up a new company called "PORTSMOUTH FOOTBALL CLUB LTD" last week.....

 

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/993d28cae4b39ec03e9ebdc6e028b904/compdetails

 

 

What's that all about then....?

His "love for Pompey"?!

 

I'm intrigued as to how he expects Pompey fans to ruin Chainrai as well...

They are going to send TCW and his bell round to the tune of Maxwells Silver Hammer.

In post 56715 it says club not getting the breaks, what about the small business man, schools and good causes that did not get the cash.

The FL will not allow them to fail before the end of the season, because it would, in their eyes, be catastrophic to have to " readjust" the CCC table by docking all points prior to them folding

 

Simples

Yep that is how I see it. However they do it, they will find a way.

Statement of capital = £1.... hmmm....

Just means that the total value of the shares is £1. Pretty standard on setting up any Ltd company, one shareholder with one share, 'valued' at £1, because as a private, not public ltd company, then the value of the share means nothing.

A Mr Nicholas Ferguson aged 56 is the Director. Ring any bells?

FERGUSONS FUELS LTD - this company registered at same address

I keep finding this guy:

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=82515&ticker=BSY:LN&previousCapId=91031&previousTitle=NEWS%20CORP-CL%20A

But it ain't him!

Check out this lot

http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/904460579