Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 What does everyone think our first lineup of the season will look like? Here is mine: -------------------GK - Forster RB - Clyne CB - Fonte CB Van Dijk LB - Targett -----------DMC - Wanyama CM - JWP ----AMR - Ramirez AMC - Davis AML - Tadic --------------------ST - Pelle Got to say I would be pretty happy with that lineup, with the 3 behind the striker switching positions. See who drops out on form when Rodriguez comes back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Based on what I saw yesterday evening, Targett is no way up to PL quality. He will get eaten alive by Liverpool. So, with a different LB, Id be otherwise quite comfortable with that starting line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 In an ideal world it would be the below, though as we all know we don't live in one. Forster Clyne Fonte De Vrij Rojo Wanyama Schneiderlin Davis Ramirez Tadic Pelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 No-one putting Chambers in at rb? He's been outstanding from what Ive seen of him preseason (highlights only so far). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Based on what I saw yesterday evening, Targett is no way up to PL quality. He will get eaten alive by Liverpool. So, with a different LB, Id be otherwise quite comfortable with that starting line up. I'm not saying he's up to PL quality but I do remember people on this forum saying the same about Shaw when he made his full debut against Stevenage in the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Based on what I saw yesterday evening, Targett is no way up to PL quality. He will get eaten alive by Liverpool. So, with a different LB, Id be otherwise quite comfortable with that starting line up. Was he poor? Strange because from other commentators I have seen he was pretty impressive by all accounts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai27 Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Why are we dropping Artur? He kept us in several games and was absolutely immense for us last season (apart from the Arsenal game...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Dont think we will play 4-2-3-1 though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 BORUC CLYNE FONTE DUNNO DUNNO JWP WANYAMA CORK DUNNO PELLE TADIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Boruc Chambers Fonte NewCB Targett Clyne Wanyama JWP Gaston Tadic Pelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Was he poor? Strange because from other commentators I have seen he was pretty impressive by all accounts? In my opinion I thought he was almost out of his depth, and this was against a defensive Swindon Town. The gulf between him and Shaw is remarkable. But, Targett is only 18, has lots of room for improvement, and it's a bit harsh to compare him to Shaw (who can be seen as something of a one of a kind). I'm not going to dispute what others are saying, but the only way I could describe Targett as impressive is in light of his distant future and not because he's ready to start against Liverpool (because he isn't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 i think gaston is probably getting a muscle injury prior to this game, pancake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Why are we dropping Artur? He kept us in several games and was absolutely immense for us last season (apart from the Arsenal game...). Because if Forster decides to join for £7-9m and big wages he's unlikely to sit on the bench. What it would do is provide genuine competition for the keeper spot, with both Boruc and Forster knowing they can't be complacent and if they lose form they'd be replaced by the other in the starting line-up. Something that is unlikely to happen at the moment with Boruc as there is a big drop in quality to Davis/Gazzaniga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 i think gaston is probably getting a muscle injury prior to this game, pancake Ffs, lazy Carlos kickball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 -------------------GK - Hahn RB - Clyne CB - de Vrij CB Vlaar LB - Kongolo -----------DMC - Wanyama CM - Cork ----AMR - Ramirez AMC - Trindade de Vilhena AML - Tadic --------------------ST - Pelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 No-one putting Chambers in at rb? He's been outstanding from what Ive seen of him preseason (highlights only so far). Yeah it's a really tough call, he looks to have bulked up physically in pre-season like Shaw before him. I would abstain on this one, but would suggest that Clyne has the better attacking skills and Chambers the better defensive depending on whats needed game by game, but it is really marginal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Cant believe so many are putting Targett in when, if we havent signed a recognised left back by then, the obvious short term solution is Clyne at LB, Chambers at RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Boruc Chambers Fonte Yoshida Clyne Davis Wanyama Cork Gaston Pelle Tadic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 BORUC CLYNE FONTE DUNNO DUNNO JWP WANYAMA CORK DUNNO PELLE TADIC I think the only other time we had three bothers in the same line up would have been the Wallaces. Did the Dunno boys graduate from the academy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lickierambert Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I've seen Targett play about 10 times now and there's nothing that I've seen to suggest he wouldn't get absolutely eaten alive at PL level. I'd love to proved wrong but I honestly think he'll find his level at championship/league 1. Sims, Reed, Gallagher and Stephens look far more likely to make it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Cant believe so many are putting Targett in when, if we havent signed a recognised left back by then, the obvious short term solution is Clyne at LB, Chambers at RB. Agreed, it will be that. Targett has got bags of potential, but will need a bit of time to develop, not every young player will do a Luke Shaw. I think we'll sign a left back by this game anyway, so makes it all irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Yeah it's a really tough call, he looks to have bulked up physically in pre-season like Shaw before him. I would abstain on this one, but would suggest that Clyne has the better attacking skills and Chambers the better defensive depending on whats needed game by game, but it is really marginal. I reckon Chambers will likely prove himself as first choice this season, but I really like Clyne. It would be great to find some way of working them both into the team without shoving Clyne into left back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 BORUC CLYNE FONTE DUNNO DUNNO JWP WANYAMA CORK DUNNO PELLE TADIC The first triplets in Premier League history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I'm sure Chambers has played CB before for the youth teams. Perhaps that way we can fit him and Clyne in the team, although I can't see it happening. Boruc Clyne - Chambers - Fonte - ???? Cork - Wanyama - JWP Davis - Pelle - Tadic Based on our current options, I'd be tempted to try this. I'm certain we will have a new LB in by the time we go to Anfield. Targett just isn't ready for that kind of baptism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Boruc Chambers Fonte Yoshida Clyne Davis Wanyama Cork Gaston Pelle Tadic Reckon you could be right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 (edited) There is not a hope in hell that we won't have made any more signings before the first day. Edited 22 July, 2014 by DuncanRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Sir Robin Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Boruc Chambers Fonte Vlaar Clyne Davis Wanyama Cork Ramirez Pelle Tadic No worse than last season when we beat them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Sorry, I've read every post on this thread and I'm still none the wiser... Are we talking about our staring line up, or Liverpool's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 What does everyone think our first lineup of the season will look like? Here is mine: -------------------GK - Forster RB - Clyne CB - Fonte CB Van Dijk LB - Targett -----------DMC - Wanyama CM - JWP ----AMR - Ramirez AMC - Davis AML - Tadic --------------------ST - Pelle Got to say I would be pretty happy with that lineup, with the 3 behind the striker switching positions. See who drops out on form when Rodriguez comes back... This is who is lining up for Liverpool yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Wilts Saint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Based on last night the Central Midfielder will play advanced on two DM's who will join in on occasion. The three behind Pelle (two wide guts and the CM) did not swap or rotate, and Pelle is not going to do any channel work, dropping wide or indeed short like Rickie did (although I think we knew that). Full backs will get involved on occasion. I believe this is how Feynoord played under RK so probably not a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben05 Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Don't understand the fanfare around playing Clyne at LB. With our system we get most of width from our full backs, not wingers. If we play Clyne at LB he will just cut inside to use his left foot, reducing the width we have. Without Lallana this will be even more important than last year imo. So LB would be Targett or new signing for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Wilts Saint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I think we may find "our system" is now less reliant on FB's for width. Last night Isgrove and McQueen in the first 60 mins, then Mayuka and Sinclair dd this much more than the FB's an operated like wingers. Clearly Tadic is destined to fill one of those berths. Don't understand the fanfare around playing Clyne at LB. With our system we get most of width from our full backs, not wingers. If we play Clyne at LB he will just cut inside to use his left foot, reducing the width we have. Without Lallana this will be even more important than last year imo. So LB would be Targett or new signing for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Boruc Chambers Fonte Yoshida Clyne Davis Wanyama Cork Gaston Pelle Tadic Right here, right now - that would be my line-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I think we may find "our system" is now less reliant on FB's for width. Last night Isgrove and McQueen in the first 60 mins, then Mayuka and Sinclair dd this much more than the FB's an operated like wingers. Clearly Tadic is destined to fill one of those berths. Others saying the FBs are getting even further under RK's system - which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Wilts Saint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I didn't see it that way last night, they do get forward but I didn't feel on balance they were as far advanced as last season. The more "fixed" positions on the front players had an influence on this IMO. To be fair with different personnel, against different opposition things will no doubt look different, we have to see. One friendly game with only three or four who will start against 'Pool, L1 opposition and slow pace is not a definitive view (and my opinion and I'm sure others saw if different as ever !) Others saying the FBs are getting even further under RK's system - which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Koeman did say afterwards he wanted the full backs to get forward more and that it would come in time. North Wilts - how did you see the game as a whole last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I didn't see it that way last night, they do get forward but I didn't feel on balance they were as far advanced as last season. The more "fixed" positions on the front players had an influence on this IMO. To be fair with different personnel, against different opposition things will no doubt look different, we have to see. One friendly game with only three or four who will start against 'Pool, L1 opposition and slow pace is not a definitive view (and my opinion and I'm sure others saw if different as ever !) Cheers. So were Isgrove and McQueen staying wide, not cutting in? If so, who was getting close to/feeding off Pelle? Were the CMs providing much support to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben05 Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I think we may find "our system" is now less reliant on FB's for width. Last night Isgrove and McQueen in the first 60 mins, then Mayuka and Sinclair dd this much more than the FB's an operated like wingers. Clearly Tadic is destined to fill one of those berths. Thanks for your first-hand account. Might be a change than what we have been used to for the past few seasons then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Presume Tadic on the left, so could Clyne fill the other with Chambers as FB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 BORUC CLYNE FONTE DUNNO DUNNO JWP WANYAMA CORK DUNNO PELLE TADIC Mother Dunno must be really proud that her 3 sons have all made your line-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Boruc Chambers Fonte Yoshida Clyne Davis Wanyama Cork Gaston Pelle Tadic With the current squad as it is (which it won't be but because we a WILL sign players), and assuming Morgan, Osvaldo and Dejan are gone, this is our best line up. Doesnt look too bad, does it?!?! Granted, centre back could be stronger, and we wouldn't want to rely on Clyne at left back all season (although Azoilicueta did a job for Chelsea on the wrong side) but it could be worse. Weak in squad, but with a fairly strong first XI. Now add the signings, and it becomes: New GK Clyne Fonte New CB New LB Davis Wanyama Cork Ramirez Pelle Tadic. ...which highlights the positions that need sorting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I'm hearing we inserted a clause whereby Lambert, Lallana, Lovren and other players going to other clubs play the first half for us and the second half for their new clubs. We are querying with the PL whether this counts as our 3 substitutes or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 My predicition New GK Clyne Fonte New CB New LB Wanyama JWP Morgan New RM Tadic Pelle Boruc Chambers Yoshida Cork New ST Davis Mayuka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-B Posted 23 July, 2014 Share Posted 23 July, 2014 Against Mignolet Johnson Lovren Sakho Moreno Gerrard Henderson Lallana Markovic Sturridge Sterling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeleye Saint Posted 23 July, 2014 Share Posted 23 July, 2014 Against Mignolet Johnson Lovren Sakho Moreno Gerrard Henderson Lallana Markovic Sturridge Sterling Tadic v Johnson - think our man may come out on top in that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 July, 2014 Share Posted 23 July, 2014 Clyne is better than chambers IMO the way koeman play suits Clyne too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 23 July, 2014 Share Posted 23 July, 2014 Clyne is better than chambers IMO the way koeman play suits Clyne too Agreed , i think this season will be a big season for Clyne ....if you look at the games he played in last season even he does tend to make things happen around the box , we need this very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 23 July, 2014 Share Posted 23 July, 2014 Based on what I saw yesterday evening, Targett is no way up to PL quality. He will get eaten alive by Liverpool. So, with a different LB, Id be otherwise quite comfortable with that starting line up. Sorry to come back to this a day later, but what was seen at Swindon was a pre-season friendly and not enough to judge a player. Based on the Swindon game we have no strikers of Prem quality since they all failed to score, some given fairly easy chances. Matt Targett didn't get into the England u-19 by being a poor player and he will only become a premier standard player by plating premier league games. If Koeman and the coaches think he's up to it, and they work with him every day, that would be a more reliable basis of assessment than watching an hour of a friendly match from the stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Posted 23 July, 2014 Share Posted 23 July, 2014 Based on last night the Central Midfielder will play advanced on two DM's who will join in on occasion. The three behind Pelle (two wide guts and the CM) did not swap or rotate, and Pelle is not going to do any channel work, dropping wide or indeed short like Rickie did (although I think we knew that). Full backs will get involved on occasion. I believe this is how Feynoord played under RK so probably not a surprise. I'd be seriously worried about these two guys behind Pelle. Players nowadays are paid a fortune and should be far more responsible for their conduct during the close season. FFS..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 23 July, 2014 Share Posted 23 July, 2014 Boruc Chambers Fonte Lovren Clyne Cork Wanyama Schneiderlin Gaston Tadic Pelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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