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    Cortese would never sell one of our young English players to Arsenal for 16m!

    Sack the board FFS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    I've long held the view that there is a wealth of untapped potential on this forum. The amount of tactical geniuses, coaches, scouts, man managers, not to mention finance and law experts and business greats. The only surprise is when recruiting for these positions the club don't simply read a few threads and invite the contributors to interviews.
    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanRG View Post
    I'm sure it was as simple as that.
    My old boss, who is probably the most intelligent and insightful person I have ever met, once told me:

    "We look for answers that affirm our view of the world. Simpletons think the world is simple, and thusly seek simple answers"

    I'm often reminded of this when reading this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Cortese would never sell one of our young English players to Arsenal for 16m!

    Sack the board FFS!
    Seeing as we were just out of League One its a stupid point.

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    I wrie this back in March... ''I would love to see Chambers move into the middle for a few games a the end of the year. You guys think that is the long term plan for him?''

    Obviously Wenger saw the same thing. We all get the sales of al, dl and rl but most of us were miffed by Chambers. Why pay 14mil for rojo when we could of kept Chambers???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Charlie View Post
    Seeing as we were just out of League One its a stupid point.
    So back then Arsenal was seen as a better bet but now it isn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotty View Post
    There is a lot of truth in this. Should the club take off their blinkers and start recruiting from swf, Turks would still be in Southampton overseeing office supplies at St Marys. I am prepared, should the call come, to oversee entertainment facilities at the ground. I sense a portsmouth-type buyout in the offing, who's with me?
    Don't you pay any attention?

    Turks would obviously be our globe trotting chief scout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelvinsRightGlove View Post
    My old boss, who is probably the most intelligent and insightful person I have ever met, once told me:

    "We look for answers that affirm our view of the world. Simpletons think the world is simple, and thusly seek simple answers"

    I'm often reminded of this when reading this forum.
    He was obviously a very wise man. Of course the converse applies to complex people, and what ever happened to Occam's Rasor?

    Simple things please simple minds,
    Little trousers fit little behinds.

    (From my childhood)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey Grandad View Post
    He was obviously a very wise man. Of course the converse applies to complex people, and what ever happened to Occam's Rasor?

    Simple things please simple minds,
    Little trousers fit little behinds.

    (From my childhood)
    Was actually a she. But indeed, intimidatingly clever that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    we could have said no, this summer
    Interesting - Did you see his contract

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelvinsRightGlove View Post
    My old boss, who is probably the most intelligent and insightful person I have ever met, once told me:

    "We look for answers that affirm our view of the world. Simpletons think the world is simple, and thusly seek simple answers"

    I'm often reminded of this when reading this forum.


    When I read your posts, I'm reminded of small fishes and small ponds. At least, your good little liberal heart is in the right place.

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    One competitive game for another club and he's already won a trophy. The curse continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemmel View Post
    Interesting - Did you see his contract
    Did you? Interesting that you don't think we could have said no about Chambers but that you think we could about Schneiderlin. Double standards. It does seem strange that we could not have said no to Chambers unless there was a release clause in his contract. How many 18 year olds who have played approx 20 games since being promoted to the first team from the Academy have a release clause in their contract I wonder. Very few, if any I would speculate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    Did you? Interesting that you don't think we could have said no about Chambers but that you think we could about Schneiderlin. Double standards. It does seem strange that we could not have said no to Chambers unless there was a release clause in his contract. How many 18 year olds who have played approx 20 games since being promoted to the first team from the Academy have a release clause in their contract I wonder. Very few, if any I would speculate.
    Very few players in the premiership have release clauses full-stop.

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    The fact that he can play centre back makes us selling him even more bizarre. We are woefully short in that area.

    What a f*cking mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Cortese would never sell one of our young English players to Arsenal for 16m!

    Sack the board FFS!
    This was said tongue in cheek, yeah?

    After all, didn't NC sell the Ox to Arsenal and exactly who would sack the board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    Did you? Interesting that you don't think we could have said no about Chambers but that you think we could about Schneiderlin. Double standards. It does seem strange that we could not have said no to Chambers unless there was a release clause in his contract. How many 18 year olds who have played approx 20 games since being promoted to the first team from the Academy have a release clause in their contract I wonder. Very few, if any I would speculate.
    If there was a release clause in Schneiderlins contract he would be gone - There isn't and he hasn't ..... Hope that helps.

    What people need to understand (And my apologies because that does sound condescending) is that the world and his wife have been watching Saints and their youth players for quite a long time. See Harrison Reed being linked to Manchester United before he played a senior game, See Arsene Wenger instructing four independent scouts to find him the best (At the time) English teenager and all four coming back with the same answer of Theo Walcott. Most if not every Club know who we have on our books and have watched them play many times. These guys know what they are looking for and know what they want and when a player ticks all the boxes they start planning.

    Just because we didn't all see Chambers potential from day one, doesn't mean they didn't (My son played with Danny Ings in the rep squad for - I couldn't have called him as a professional footballed in a million years) and once they do, it all starts..... forget about rules and procedures - It's all ********.

    So.... Chambers wouldn't have been a surprise to everybody, Just as in Luke Shaw wasn't - Luke could have walked away from a professional contract with Saints and bagged a massive signing on fee before he was 18 - He didn't and maybe as a thank you to Saints to ensure a transfer fee, but I would bare my arse on the town hall steps if he didn't include a sell out clause..... May be Chamber was the same, infact it is probable that he did.

    This is the new age of football, the money in the game is at an all time high, as is the premium for young English talent. These lads aren't being counselled by their parents anymore - They have professionals covering every angle.

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    "Calum Chambers did not play there by coincidence - I have seen the qualities he has shown today. He had never played alongside Nacho Monreal before and he was outstanding." Wenger on Chambers! this is what rankles with me the most we have all seen those qualities!

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo View Post
    "Calum Chambers did not play there by coincidence - I have seen the qualities he has shown today. He had never played alongside Nacho Monreal before and he was outstanding." Wenger on Chambers! this is what rankles with me the most we have all seen those qualities!
    That's fine, why don't you do another protest like at yesterday's game then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post


    When I read your posts, I'm reminded of small fishes and small ponds. At least, your good little liberal heart is in the right place.
    Ok mate. Carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelvinsRightGlove View Post
    Ok mate. Carry on.
    No you carry on pal. You're like the Hallmark cards equivalent of liberal truisms. They bring a smile to my face everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelvinsRightGlove View Post
    Don't you pay any attention?

    Turks would obviously be our globe trotting chief scout.
    I have no problem with that, as long as we're prepared to recruit only from Hooters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemmel View Post
    If there was a release clause in Schneiderlins contract he would be gone - There isn't and he hasn't ..... Hope that helps.

    What people need to understand (And my apologies because that does sound condescending) is that the world and his wife have been watching Saints and their youth players for quite a long time. See Harrison Reed being linked to Manchester United before he played a senior game, See Arsene Wenger instructing four independent scouts to find him the best (At the time) English teenager and all four coming back with the same answer of Theo Walcott. Most if not every Club know who we have on our books and have watched them play many times. These guys know what they are looking for and know what they want and when a player ticks all the boxes they start planning.

    Just because we didn't all see Chambers potential from day one, doesn't mean they didn't (My son played with Danny Ings in the rep squad for - I couldn't have called him as a professional footballed in a million years) and once they do, it all starts..... forget about rules and procedures - It's all ********.

    So.... Chambers wouldn't have been a surprise to everybody, Just as in Luke Shaw wasn't - Luke could have walked away from a professional contract with Saints and bagged a massive signing on fee before he was 18 - He didn't and maybe as a thank you to Saints to ensure a transfer fee, but I would bare my arse on the town hall steps if he didn't include a sell out clause..... May be Chamber was the same, infact it is probable that he did.

    This is the new age of football, the money in the game is at an all time high, as is the premium for young English talent. These lads aren't being counselled by their parents anymore - They have professionals covering every angle.
    Spot on mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable Jeff View Post
    That's fine, why don't you do another protest like at yesterday's game then.
    Why don't you wind your neck in little girl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    I've long held the view that there is a wealth of untapped potential on this forum. The amount of tactical geniuses, coaches, scouts, man managers, not to mention finance and law experts and business greats. The only surprise is when recruiting for these positions the club don't simply read a few threads and invite the contributors to interviews.
    Who needs a fan on the board when we have this kind of influence.

    Next time the forum grumbles, the board will take note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemmel View Post
    If there was a release clause in Schneiderlins contract he would be gone - There isn't and he hasn't ..... Hope that helps.

    What people need to understand (And my apologies because that does sound condescending) is that the world and his wife have been watching Saints and their youth players for quite a long time. See Harrison Reed being linked to Manchester United before he played a senior game, See Arsene Wenger instructing four independent scouts to find him the best (At the time) English teenager and all four coming back with the same answer of Theo Walcott. Most if not every Club know who we have on our books and have watched them play many times. These guys know what they are looking for and know what they want and when a player ticks all the boxes they start planning.

    Just because we didn't all see Chambers potential from day one, doesn't mean they didn't (My son played with Danny Ings in the rep squad for - I couldn't have called him as a professional footballed in a million years) and once they do, it all starts..... forget about rules and procedures - It's all ********.

    So.... Chambers wouldn't have been a surprise to everybody, Just as in Luke Shaw wasn't - Luke could have walked away from a professional contract with Saints and bagged a massive signing on fee before he was 18 - He didn't and maybe as a thank you to Saints to ensure a transfer fee, but I would bare my arse on the town hall steps if he didn't include a sell out clause..... May be Chamber was the same, infact it is probable that he did.

    This is the new age of football, the money in the game is at an all time high, as is the premium for young English talent. These lads aren't being counselled by their parents anymore - They have professionals covering every angle.
    Mights, coulds, woulds

    Your whole argument depends on the leap of faith that "this is the new age of football" with little or no evidence. Your reductio ad absurdum would imply that virtually every talented, savvy player would or should have one. Did Lovren have one too? Is that why he threatened to go on strike. Painfully tenuous is too much of a compliment.

    Never mind that release clauses are virtually unheard of in the English game and the players who have them enjoyed infinitely more bargaining power than Chambers.
    http://www.theguardian.com/football/...remeier-league

    Never mind that we would have probably heard about them if they existed.

    Never mind that the club clearly and unanimously stated it's policy - that selling players was a choice, that keeping wantaway players would have been an insane risk, that Chambers was a 'present' from Koeman to the board.

    Never mind it would have been in the club's interests to come out and say that it's hands were tied by the existence of release clauses.

    Never mind that all the reports pointing to negotiations over price would have been a logical impossibility if a release clause existed.

    It's a whole new age of football, innit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemmel View Post
    What people need to understand (And my apologies because that does sound condescending) is that the world and his wife have been watching Saints and their youth players for quite a long time...
    It was interesting how easily David Pleat reeled off 4 or 5 of our current academy players on 5 Live earlier this week.

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    Will the next John Terry please stand up.
    With Lovren going this is the most baffling player to let go.
    Why make a stand with MS,It should have been made 1/2 departures ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Mights, coulds, woulds

    Your whole argument depends on the leap of faith that "this is the new age of football" with little or no evidence. Your reductio ad absurdum would imply that virtually every talented, savvy player would or should have one. Did Lovren have one too? Is that why he threatened to go on strike. Painfully tenuous is too much of a compliment.

    Never mind that release clauses are virtually unheard of in the English game and the players who have them enjoyed infinitely more bargaining power than Chambers.
    http://www.theguardian.com/football/...remeier-league

    Never mind that we would have probably heard about them if they existed.

    Never mind that the club clearly and unanimously stated it's policy - that selling players was a choice, that keeping wantaway players would have been an insane risk, that Chambers was a 'present' from Koeman to the board.

    Never mind it would have been in the club's interests to come out and say that it's hands were tied by the existence of release clauses.

    Never mind that all the reports pointing to negotiations over price would have been a logical impossibility if a release clause existed.

    It's a whole new age of football, innit.

    Before I respond to all you points - Let me ask you as question - Do you think Luke Shaw had a sell out clause

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    Gemmel is the only one banging on about sell-on clauses.

    The club would have told us if this was the case. Would have been easy to blame other people for these sales and take the heat off them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Gemmel is the only one banging on about sell-on clauses.

    The club would have told us if this was the case. Would have been easy to blame other people for these sales and take the heat off them
    I'm not banging on about it you tool, just suggesting it might be the case.

    Same question to you - Do you think Shaw had one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemmel View Post
    I'm not banging on about it you tool, just suggesting it might be the case.

    Same question to you - Do you think Shaw had one
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemmel View Post
    Before I respond to all you points - Let me ask you as question - Do you think Luke Shaw had a sell out clause
    I don't know -a Beeb article vaguely mentioned that if Cortese left, Shaw could go; but it felt like a throwaway comment, typical Cortese bull**** and self-aggrandisement a la AC Milan variety. VFTT said that Shaw had spoken to Chelsea, arguing that was proof of a release clause; but even if true, such a statement is also perfectly consistent with there being no automatic release clause -perhaps we were happy/willing to sell Shaw; perhaps there was an informal understanding -as is suggested is the case with Morgan- that Shaw could go at the end of the season if an acceptable bid came in.

    At the same time, it's odd that no media pointed to it -after all, they have dedicated reporters covering every minute detail of United's ongoings. Suggestions that we were able to negotiate on the fee is also inconsistent with a release clause. By definition, there is no room to hold out over the fee with such a clause. Either way, Shaw's situation is different from that of Chambers. And everything else I've said above stands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemmel View Post
    I'm not banging on about it you tool, just suggesting it might be the case.

    Same question to you - Do you think Shaw had one
    Why keep asking this? There is no proof absolutely anywhere that a release clause ever existed.

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    The Spurs offer for Schneiderlin was 10m (Krueger interview), does anybody in their right mind including Schneiderlin and his advisors think we would let him go for that. It was reported today that Spurs had given us until Monday to complete a deal or they would go elsewhere. So Southampton are saying he's not for sale and Spurs are handing out ultimatums. If they offered 30m it might open the door but acting like a pawn shop won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo View Post
    Why don't you wind your neck in little girl
    Dont worry about him too much DPS just enjoys the attention

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    Gutted we lost him, but proud too: http://youtu.be/NIRRiX9s4Yw

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Yeah, a real shame. Remind me again about how much experience Nicola Cortese had in football before joinging us please (and Markus in owning a football club for that matter).
    It is also worth pointing out that Markus inherited his fortune from his father. Of course, that doesn't make him a bad business person any more than it does his daughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintSteve View Post
    Absolutely.. He is an immense talent. God knows what decision-making process the Board followed to result in selling him.
    That would suggest there actually was a orderly 'decision making process' in the first place......The events over the last six months with this bunch of naive fools at the helm would suggest anything but.

    Luckily it seems Ronald Koeman is at least starting fill some of leadership vacuum from Cortese's departure......Although would much rather have seen him take over as Director of football where he could have far more influence and control in the Board and a Bielsa type coach such as Jorge Sampaoli take over the first team coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redslo View Post
    It is also worth pointing out that Markus inherited his fortune from his father. Of course, that doesn't make him a bad business person any more than it does his daughter.
    Hmmm not sure that is correct - I think he made his own money too

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    You guys need to let go and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemmel View Post
    Hmmm not sure that is correct - I think he made his own money too
    Of course, he made his own money. But he started out with a huge inheritance from his own father. Not blowing the fortune on wine, women, and song is something of a talent, but it is a lot easier to become a billionaire if you start as a hundred millionaire.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Liebherr

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    If we start holding our youngsters to their contracts and denying them moves to big clubs, the next batch are going to be more reluctant to sign pro contracts with us. If we start losing our youngsters to big clubs with the fee being decided by tribunals, we'll lose a hell of a lot of money.

    There may not be official release clauses, but I'm damn sure there's an " understanding"even if there isn't anything official.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faz View Post
    You guys need to let go and move on.
    Oh so very much this.

    Chambers = Boring now.

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    If any of the sold players had release clauses in their contracts, the board would be shouting it from the rooftops. It would be the easiest way to (correctly) diminish responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dig Dig View Post
    If any of the sold players had release clauses in their contracts, the board would be shouting it from the rooftops. It would be the easiest way to (correctly) diminish responsibility.
    Correct. A copper bottomed "don't blame us" get-out. There were none.

    Chambers seems, much more than the others, the managers call. I get the feeling Koeman saw the price for a 20 game player and just thought it for the best.

    Not to say CC didn't want to go of course but I can't see Koeman wanting to waste energy trying to keep him like he is with Morgan.

    Anyhoo, he's gone and we move on.

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    Henry Winter, who usually has sound opinions, said on Sunday Supplement that Chambers was the most odd sale we have made, for a club that promotes the benefits of its Academy as much as we do.

    Said many people in football see him as England's long term no 1 centre back and that he is a great signing for Arsenal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    Correct. A copper bottomed "don't blame us" get-out. There were none.

    Chambers seems, much more than the others, the managers call. I get the feeling Koeman saw the price for a 20 game player and just thought it for the best.

    Not to say CC didn't want to go of course but I can't see Koeman wanting to waste energy trying to keep him like he is with Morgan.

    Anyhoo, he's gone and we move on.
    Chambers knew of Arsenal's interest and said he wanted to leave and didn't see his future at Saints.

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    Duplicate post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faz View Post
    You guys need to let go and move on.
    Charlie please note!

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    Judging by what I've seen on the BBC highlights
    Iam glad we're not going to rely on him as back up CB
    Arsenal are lucky this is an under performing strike force

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