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Manchester City consolidated their place in the top five and Leicester City rose to 14th, from 20th*last year, with television revenue the biggest single revenue stream for all of the 20 richest clubs

Whilst all Premier League clubs benefited from the improved broadcast deals, it was Southampton and Leicester’s performance in European competitions which saw them gain their highest ever respective positions.

 

so a short term bubble then?

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It's the vicissitudes of broadcasting revenue what done it. Europa League and League Cup run.

 

At the end of the day, our wage bill will be a big whack of revenue (60%+ I expect) and we obviously have other costs so we won't have oodles of money swishing about, although evidently the team is underperforming this year.

 

A rational analysis of the figures won't stop the usual dullards from giving it the "where's the fackin money gone then?!", "asset stripping, mush!".....

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It's the vicissitudes of broadcasting revenue what done it. Europa League and League Cup run.

 

At the end of the day, our wage bill will be a big whack of revenue (60%+ I expect) and we obviously have other costs so we won't have oodles of money swishing about, although evidently the team is underperforming this year.

 

A rational analysis of the figures won't stop the usual dullards from giving it the "where's the fackin money gone then?!", "asset stripping, mush!".....

 

Too early in the mornng for a word like "vicissitudes".

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It's the vicissitudes of broadcasting revenue what done it. Europa League and League Cup run.

 

At the end of the day, our wage bill will be a big whack of revenue (60%+ I expect) and we obviously have other costs so we won't have oodles of money swishing about, although evidently the team is underperforming this year.

 

A rational analysis of the figures won't stop the usual dullards from giving it the "where's the fackin money gone then?!", "asset stripping, mush!".....

 

Fair comment, but nonetheless, it is interesting to see that we had a bigger revenue than

Everton . Guess those dugouts weren't that big an income stream after all.

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Fair comment, but nonetheless, it is interesting to see that we had a bigger revenue than

Everton . Guess those dugouts weren't that big an income stream after all. ��

 

But they spend their money and we bank ours and we're near the bottom of the table so it's a mute point.

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are Everton 20th?

yet, we apparently can't compete with them!?

 

With today's money swishing around the Premier League we should be able to compete with most teams besides the obvious few, it's whether our owners are want to. They're happy just being in the league collecting the high dividends it brings it appears.

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are Everton 20th?

yet, we apparently can't compete with them!?

 

See what Everton's revenue looks like next year once Usmanov's sponsorship money starts coming in.

 

It's also worth noting that we haven't filed accounts covering last season. Our last filed accounts covered up to 30 June 2016. I presume these Deloitte figures must be estimates based on broadcasting deals and publicised sponsorships, along with extrapolations based on previous performance.

 

Some of the less transparent deals which aren't publicised probably aren't taken into account as without detailed audited accounts there's no way of knowing what the details are.

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Do that stats include transfer revenue? I suspect not.

 

From an article it states according to European football clubs’ 2016-17 financial information, collated by the accountants Deloitte.

 

2016-17 revenue in £m (v 2015-16 revenue)

1) Manchester United 581.2 (515.3)

2) Real Madrid 579.7 (463.8)

3) Barcelona 557.1 (463.8)

4) Bayern Munich 505.1 (442.7)

5) Manchester City 453.5 (392.6)

6) Arsenal 419 (350.4)

7) PSG 417.8 (389.6)

8) Chelsea 367.8 (334.6)

9) Liverpool 364.5 (302)

10) Juventus 348.6 (253.5)

11) Tottenham 305.6 (209.2)

12) Borussia Dortmund 285.8 (212.3)

13) Atlético Madrid 234.2 (171)~

14) Leicester City 233 (128.7)

15) Internazionale 225.2 (134)

16) Schalke 197.8 (167.9)

17) West Ham 183.3 (143.8)

18) Southampton 182.3 (124.3)

19) Napoli 172.5 (107.8)

20) Everton 171.2 (121.5)

 

If the big two Spanish sides decide to share the TV money more equally then it could change and the Bundesliga clubs will have a boost in income from next season.

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Do that stats include transfer revenue? I suspect not.

The report is about revenue, so why wouldn't it include transfer income? Revenue is income from normal business activities, which for football clubs would have to include transfer dealings.

It is a bit misleading to say this is a list of the richest clubs, because it does not include outgoings or assets, but it is one indicator among several.

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Do that stats include transfer revenue? I suspect not.

 

The report is about revenue, so why wouldn't it include transfer income? Revenue is income from normal business activities, which for football clubs would have to include transfer dealings.

It is a bit misleading to say this is a list of the richest clubs, because it does not include outgoings or assets, but it is one indicator among several.

 

It won't include transfer profit/losses. It's purely revenue generated by broadcasting, match day income, and commercial deals. That is unless Deloitte have changed the way they structure these thangs. As someone mentioned above, we haven't released last season's accounts yet, but Everton's revenue jumped £50m based on broadcasting alone, from £122m to £172m total . Our revenue was approx £122m during Everton's £122m season, and you'd expect a similar increase in Prem broadcast revenue, along with Europa League and League Cup money = ~£180m. As always, happy to be corrected.

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Means nothing most of the money goes straight back out in wages the Prem might be the richest league in the world but that just means we have the richest players in the world every increase in revenue just corresponds to a bump in wages. Saints are paying players sums that were unimaginable even 5 years ago let alone ten and the top four are living in a different world the Sanchez deal is jaw dropping even in the current crazy climate!

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It won't include transfer profit/losses. It's purely revenue generated by broadcasting, match day income, and commercial deals. That is unless Deloitte have changed the way they structure these thangs. As someone mentioned above, we haven't released last season's accounts yet, but Everton's revenue jumped £50m based on broadcasting alone, from £122m to £172m total . Our revenue was approx £122m during Everton's £122m season, and you'd expect a similar increase in Prem broadcast revenue, along with Europa League and League Cup money = ~£180m. As always, happy to be corrected.

You're right, explained in the report itself (not the Telegraph item). It is however massaged to some extent because of the way different clubs do their accounting.

If yu want to read the full report it is available for download here:

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/uk/Documents/sports-business-group/deloitte-uk-sbg-dfml2018.pdf (56 pages)

 

Commercial and Matchday revenue still way below the average for 16-20 place clubs. Only the Broadcast revenue really gets us in the Top 20.

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BBC South Today ( last evening )

They were commenting on the fact that we are the 18th richest Club, and said that because we are very well run financially, we will be ideally placed to bounce straight back back from the Championship

Do they know something we don't ??

Last time I checked, a Club has only a 1 in 3 chance of bouncing back up the next season.

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You're right, explained in the report itself (not the Telegraph item). It is however massaged to some extent because of the way different clubs do their accounting.

If yu want to read the full report it is available for download here:

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/uk/Documents/sports-business-group/deloitte-uk-sbg-dfml2018.pdf (56 pages)

 

Commercial and Matchday revenue still way below the average for 16-20 place clubs. Only the Broadcast revenue really gets us in the Top 20.

 

Cheers :thumbup:

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I see the reports states that we may struggle to retain our place due to failure to qualify for the Europa League. Failure to retain our EPL status is likely to result in a huge loss on income. Though I suppose the VvD windfall may help boost our income streams......

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Is that a genuine researched statistic? Interesting if so.

I read it in our previous Prem relegation season. More thorough and recent analysis over the 28 years to 2014 analysis indicates that it is only a:-

1 in 4 chance of back up the following season.

1 in 3 chance (34%) in 2 years.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/championship/10826050/How-often-do-relegated-Premier-League-clubs-bounce-straight-back-from-the-Championship.html

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