Gillett out on loan

[OldNick]

I havent noticed this being posted, sorry if it is a duplicate.

He has gone to Doncaster then.He has lost a bit of confidence this season , probably as AP has not played him.Down to his lack of height I expect.

[alpine_saint]

Probably best all round.

 

Best of luck to him.

[Greenridge]

Good luck, hopefully will keep him match fit if nothing else. With the additions to the squad it's hard to see him getting much of a look in here. When you're his size you have to be exceptional to 'make it' and he's not that.

[slickmick]

Thought he looked good last season, but the few sub appearances I have seen this season have been dissapointing. He looks to have put on weight and seems half a yard slower, but I do think he can still become a good player.

[Scummer]

Interesting that he's gone on loan to a higher division.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Interesting that he's gone on loan to a higher division.

 

Tis a bit bizarre loaning out our fringe players to sides above us in the League!

[krissyboy31]

I guess it's about fitting into a team/system? AP (at the moment) doesn't see him fitting into ours but O'Driscoll may think he has the ability to fit into theirs? BTW was O'Driscoll at Bournemouth when SG was out on loan with them?

[benjii]

Tis a bit bizarre loaning out our fringe players to sides above us in the League!

 

Sign of a good squad!

 

(I agree, 'tis odd. We would be distinctly underwhelmed if we were Donny fans. On reflection, it's a bit like Smith last year - wasn't he on loan from Milwall?)

[Scummer]

 

On reflection, it's a bit like Smith last year - wasn't he on loan from Milwall?

 

Yes you're right actually, it's very similar to that.

[a1ex2001]

Yes you're right actually, it's very similar to that.

 

Except Gillett is proven at championship level and smith was a gash player who had already failed at that level?

 

Real shame for Simon he waited so long for a chance at saints and I thought he grabbed it with both hands last year, then another change of manager seems to have de-railed him yet again. Good luck to him hope he has a great time at Donny and shows his best form once again.

Edited 12 October, 2009 by a1ex2001

[Weston Saint]

Doncaster have injury problems. Assume it is a 1 month emergency loan. As FF says it is strange to see him go to a higher league but cannot get into our team. However perhaps as we gain momentum Pardew sees us as better than Doncaster

 

Not on any of the news or football sites yet! However NickH usually gets it right on such things

Edited 12 October, 2009 by Weston Saint

[trousers]

Sponsor's curse!

[Weston Saint]

Sponsor's curse!

Can we have our money back please!

[trousers]

Can we have our money back please!

 

In all seriousness (yes, even I have my moments of sanity!), what's the club's policy on this? Is it "tough luck" or "no worries, here....choose another player to sponsor for the rest of the season"?

[ART]

I think he's been treated abmismally since Pardew arrived. He's one player you could say was a Saint and not a mercenary. He deserves better and may Driscoll knows a Saint when he sees one.

 

Anyone know if he'll be taking with him the photo gathering dust in the store cupboard since the takeover?

[krissyboy31]

In all seriousness (yes, even I have my moments of sanity!), what's the club's policy on this? Is it "tough luck" or "no worries, here....choose another player to sponsor for the rest of the season"?

 

We have to pay again so that his Donny kit is paid for as well!

[Give it to Ron]

I think he's been treated abmismally since Pardew arrived. He's one player you could say was a Saint and not a mercenary. He deserves better and may Driscoll knows a Saint when he sees one.

 

Anyone know if he'll be taking with him the photo gathering dust in the store cupboard since the takeover?

 

No he hasn't...I understand in France you don't get to see many games ART but he has been awful in the games he has played in.

AP gets to see them in training far more than we do, he mentioned that Gillet needed to do more - in the open session he didn't look very good and gave the ball away a lot.

Against Torquay he was abysmal.

[Huntingdon]

I think he's been treated abmismally since Pardew arrived. He's one player you could say was a Saint and not a mercenary. He deserves better and may Driscoll knows a Saint when he sees one.

 

Anyone know if he'll be taking with him the photo gathering dust in the store cupboard since the takeover?

 

So we should play him purely due to his loyalty?

 

If he's not good enough in AP's eyes, then move him on

[iansouthstander]

Theres no mention of this loan on the OS or Doncaster OS.

Where did the information come from ?

[St Marco]

Been possbly our worst player this year based on appearances. The Torquay game he looked terrible. So really not a loss for us. Goodluck to him though, hope he gets games because that is what he needs. We are not in a position to gamble on youngsters anymore, thankfully.

[Doctoroncall]

I guess it's about fitting into a team/system? AP (at the moment) doesn't see him fitting into ours but O'Driscoll may think he has the ability to fit into theirs? BTW was O'Driscoll at Bournemouth when SG was out on loan with them?

 

No, they missed each other by a few months. SO'D went to Donny in September and SG went to Bournemouth in November (2006).

[Katalinic]

I think he's been treated abmismally since Pardew arrived. He's one player you could say was a Saint and not a mercenary. He deserves better and may Driscoll knows a Saint when he sees one.

 

Anyone know if he'll be taking with him the photo gathering dust in the store cupboard since the takeover?

 

I see you have stopped referring to AP as "Pas Dieu" - what a difference a couple of wins makes eh Art?

 

On the Gillett subject he was the one of the few players I really wanted us to keep this for this season but has been disappointing when he has played - the loan will do him good and it is make or break for him when he returns to Saints I feel. He hasn't been treated badly though, he simply hasn't been up to scratch this season and doesn't deserve a place currently.

[benjii]

The guy's not a youngster any more and needs to nail down a first team spot somewhere.

 

Hammond has basically ended his chances of doing so with us and it is clear that AP is not mad keen to keep him.

 

I do wish him all the best as he contributed well last season and clearly has a decent attitude.

[Windmill Arm 2]

I see you have stopped referring to AP as "Pas Dieu" - what a difference a couple of wins makes eh Art?On the Gillett subject he was the one of the few players I really wanted us to keep this for this season but has been disappointing when he has played - the loan will do him good and it is make or break for him when he returns to Saints I feel. He hasn't been treated badly though, he simply hasn't been up to scratch this season and doesn't deserve a place currently.

 

Sickening isn't it.

[Gis]

The guy's not a youngster any more and needs to nail down a first team spot somewhere.

 

Hammond has basically ended his chances of doing so with us and it is clear that AP is not mad keen to keep him.

 

I do wish him all the best as he contributed well last season and clearly has a decent attitude.

 

Sums it up really.

 

Especially as we have the likes of Oscar Gobern (out on loan himself now) who will pushing for a place soon.

[benjii]

Sums it up really.

 

Especially as we have the likes of Oscar Gobern (out on loan himself now) who will pushing for a place soon.

 

Where is Gobern, hadn't realised he'd gone? (sorry I'm being lazy, I'm sure this information is easily found on the OS!)

 

Gobern has real potential IMO.

[Matthew Le God]

Where is Gobern, hadn't realised he'd gone? (sorry I'm being lazy, I'm sure this information is easily found on the OS!)

 

Gobern has real potential IMO.

 

MK Dons on loan for a month. His brother also plays for them.

[benjii]

MK Dons on loan for a month. His brother also plays for them.

 

So another instance of loaning a fringe player out to a team higher up in the League!

 

We really are the Santa of the lower leagues aren't we!?

[krissyboy31]

On OS now!!

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1824006,00.html

http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10329~1824005,00.html

Edited 12 October, 2009 by krissyboy31

[Gorgiesaint]

MK Dons on loan for a month. His brother also plays for them.

 

Been away but I have to say this is a surprising one - not that he's out on loan but on loan to MK Dons, who are potential rivals for a play-off spot if we make it that far.

 

SG to Donny I fully understand and should give him some confidence that a CCC team wants to take him on loan. Let's hope he comes back and having re-found some form.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

Thing is with Gillett when he broke into the first team many believed he was "youth" and this may have gifted him a bit of slack, he had great determination and at times his distribution was good, however, he lacked consistency.

I wish him well and am sure his hard work will eventually pay off.

[St Marco]

Been away but I have to say this is a surprising one - not that he's out on loan but on loan to MK Dons, who are potential rivals for a play-off spot if we make it that far.

 

SG to Donny I fully understand and should give him some confidence that a CCC team wants to take him on loan. Let's hope he comes back and having re-found some form.

 

If it was a star player then i would agree but these are young players who are un-experienced. They normally go out to League One or Two teams. We are now in League One so limits the places they can go if we adopt that attitude. These players will not be playing every game, they are short term deals. If they play well they will come back a more vaulable player to us in both financial and experience terms. I would much rather they were out playing games then sitting in our reserves rotting away.

[Matthew Le God]

Our squad is far too bloated atm as Pardew rightly states. Loaning out players to whichever clubs want them is the only way you can do things until January so deals like this make sense. Gillett if he stayed wouldn't get much in the way of football and will demotivate him more. It would be very hard to have good training sessions with over 30 senior players so the numbers have to drop asap.

[Red N Wight]

To be fair there arn't many teams below us in the league to loan to

[Gis]

So another instance of loaning a fringe player out to a team higher up in the League!

 

We really are the Santa of the lower leagues aren't we!?

 

Personally I think loaning people like Oscar out to other teams is great news.

 

He got 60 minutes on Saturday with MK Dons under the cosh for much of that period. That has to be a better education than sitting on the bench then playing some fairly meaningless match for the reserves.

 

It's also a great education for some of our academy to go out to other clubs where the training grounds and infrastructure are in comparison rubbish - an eye-opener that again will benefit.

 

(Mind you not that I think that is necesssarily true of MK Dons. Seeing the development of their ground in the background of a Paul Ince interview at the weekend it reminded me of a mini-Wembley)

[beatlesaint]

I think he's been treated abmismally since Pardew arrived. He's one player you could say was a Saint and not a mercenary. He deserves better and may Driscoll knows a Saint when he sees one.

 

Anyone know if he'll be taking with him the photo gathering dust in the store cupboard since the takeover?

 

I think he probably looked better than he really is last year when we were, not to put too fine a point on it, **** poor. But this year he has been left wanting.

[Prince Jazzbo]

From our point of view it might be a good move. It gives us the chance to give him 2 months of first team action (if he gets it) without us taking the risk. Looking at the Torquay game he was pretty awful, but that may be lack of games.

 

I dont think we can afford to start him only for him to have a bad game, give a goal away or something and get a load of grief on here. Therefore, lets let someone else take the risk and hopefully in a couple of months he may come back ready to make a positive contribution here.

[krissyboy31]

From the Donny site:

 

Gillett goes straight into the squad to take on Barnsley at the Keepmoat Stadium (15:00 KO) on Saturday and will wear squad number 31.

[L1Minus10]

At the start of last season he played well for 70 mins and then got very very tired to the point where he just gave the ball away all the time. when he came back into the side at the end he was better but I don't think he's really got it. Good luck to him however as he always tried his best.

[up and away]

Thought he looked good last season, but the few sub appearances I have seen this season have been dissapointing. He looks to have put on weight and seems half a yard slower, but I do think he can still become a good player.

 

He did look a very good player at the start of last season, went off the boil, possibly through injury. Came back and actually gave me hope we could stay up, then out injured again.

 

This is not a slight at Pardew (because he has far more factors to consider), but I cannot see Gillet being of great value asking him to play a more forward role or out wide. I still believe Gillet will be a very good defensive midfielder, but at the moment he is not able to demonstrate that form for what ever reason.

[benjii]

Personally I think loaning people like Oscar out to other teams is great news.

 

He got 60 minutes on Saturday with MK Dons under the cosh for much of that period. That has to be a better education than sitting on the bench then playing some fairly meaningless match for the reserves.

 

It's also a great education for some of our academy to go out to other clubs where the training grounds and infrastructure are in comparison rubbish - an eye-opener that again will benefit.

 

(Mind you not that I think that is necesssarily true of MK Dons. Seeing the development of their ground in the background of a Paul Ince interview at the weekend it reminded me of a mini-Wembley)

 

Oh, I agree it's a good idea - don't get me wrong.

 

It's just funny that we're a virile source of stock given how sheeeeiiiite we've been for the last few years.

[St Marco]

He did look a very good player at the start of last season, went off the boil, possibly through injury. Came back and actually gave me hope we could stay up, then out injured again.

 

This is not a slight at Pardew (because he has far more factors to consider), but I cannot see Gillet being of great value asking him to play a more forward role or out wide. I still believe Gillet will be a very good defensive midfielder, but at the moment he is not able to demonstrate that form for what ever reason.

 

As far as i can tell since Pardew has picked him he has played in the central position with Wotten behind him. I could be wrong but for the JPT game that is how it looked from where i was. With Antonio and Waigo on the wings. He was the worst player on the pitch in that game and was a huge reason as to why we could not get forward. He was meant to be the creative spark and did nothing. It is an example of why you don't risk players like that in key positions because if they have an off day then chances are your not create much. Pardew took him off at half time and we instantly looked a better team.

 

Personally i think Pardew has got it spot on. We no longer need to give players games for the sake of it. Gillett has had i think 2 starts and 3 sub appearances in both league and cup games. I think 3-5 games is enough time to at least show something about yourself. If you put his performances up against the other players you have to be honest and say he has probably performed the least this season. So keep giving him more chances to shine i think is wrong. If we play him and he plays like he did against Millwall and Torquay then he will get slated and we will probably fall further behind.

I think Pardew has to pick every team with the basis of winning, by picking Gillett i don't think that would be the case, it would be a team picked based on experimenting like last season. And we are no longer in a position to do that. If the youngsters are not good enough then they should not play.

[Chez]

When AP has brought him on he had played him at the front of the diamond. He did this in preseason as well and he was poor there especially in the Ajax game. I have no idea why Pardew thinks that is his best position, but it has not helped him at all. Not getting games will not have helped his match fitness. This loan is therefore just what he needs.

[OldNick]

When AP has brought him on he had played him at the front of the diamond. He did this in preseason as well and he was poor there especially in the Ajax game. I have no idea why Pardew thinks that is his best position, but it has not helped him at all. Not getting games will not have helped his match fitness. This loan is therefore just what he needs.

I think when he came on he has not been the player we remember from last season. When he did come on he tried too hardto impress perhaps and that didnt help.

[SaintDonkey]

Hammond has basically ended his chances of doing so with us and it is clear that AP is not mad keen to keep him.

 

 

That sums it up for me. Gillett's best position is occupied by Hammond at the moment - and Hammond is a darn sight better at it than Gillett ever was. I love the guy as a player and with regular games he will improve, but he's not going to get those at Saints while Hammond is fit and playing so well.

 

A spell of first team action at Donny could be just the thing to get him back in form and show Pardew what he's missing.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I think there are three key points to this decision...

 

a. Donny need a short term loan - Gillet is not a bad player atall, especially with the right team make-up.

 

b. Gillet is a small guy and AP needed to raise the overall size of the team for this division so they literally didn't keep getting beat up and overun by the oppo's especially in midfield. Good move IMO.

 

c. Gillet is part of last seasons losing team mentality. It showed in so many of the younger/smaller players and is only now starting to be erradicated. Good move by AP to marginalise that element in the squad.

[niceandfriendly]

Real shame for Gillett - he's just been unlucky. Last season he was our best performer without a doubt (no, actually, that was Kelv) but this season we have bought in a better player for his position. He hasn't had a proper chance this season so slating him for his performances this year is totally unfair. He hasn't even played a full 90 minutes, so anyone saying he's been our worst performer this term is somewhat deluded. Did you not see Lancashire at Swindon? Thompson's been pretty poor too.

 

I wouldn't have him in our first team at the moment (which shows how much we've improved) but I still rate him and he'll do well in the Championship.

Edited 12 October, 2009 by niceandfriendly

[david in sweden]

Probably best all round.

Best of luck to him.

 

Agreeing with you AGAIN, Alpine.

No-one should blame a player who is off form. He doesn't want to play badly, but when it doesn't work... look for a plan B.

In this case;

1) He will come back a revived SG that we recall from last season.

2) Doncaster will like him enough to want him longer / buy him

3) If he 'aint got it, it's best he goes (likely in january)

 

Still think he's a good lad, but he's not Academy anymore, and at 23, he needs to make a career somewhere,

so good luck Simon ..see you back in two months ..or ....it might be we are giving away another Wise or Phillips ??

Edited 12 October, 2009 by david in sweden

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

It's a shame, but in AP we trust.

[Charlie Wayman]

Inevitable really after the shocking treatment he has received at the hands of Pardew and his cohorts. Even if Pardew thinks we have better people as first picks isn't it necessary to keep young gifted players like him in the squad in case of injuries? It's idiots like Thomas who are cluttering up the wage bill not Gillett. Still what do I know.