paulwantsapint Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 With news that west ham are due to retire Ashton due to failure to get fit after injury could Pardew work his magic in same way he has rescued DC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 worth a shot maybe on a pay as you play deal, but if a premier league team with the best physios and sports scientists around have said he's a lost cause then it must be fairly serious and untreatable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 With news that west ham are due to retire Ashton due to failure to get fit after injury could Pardew work his magic in same way he has rescued DC? No chance, he's been told by 2 surgeons that he won't play again. Pardews good at what he does but he isn't a miracle worker. Plus Ashton won't want to miss his pay day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 what a waste - superb player when fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samski saint Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 Hes finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 With news that west ham are due to retire Ashton due to failure to get fit after injury could Pardew work his magic in same way he has rescued DC? You were initially preciously close to me moving this to General Sports. But I see the significance of keeping it here... just. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 Om a similar vein, what's Delgado up to these days? Useful cover for Lambert? And about as likely :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 what a waste - superb player when fit agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 Could have been an England regular for years, I really rate(d) him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docker Walker6 Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 He's AP not JC!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 You were initially preciously close to me moving this to General Sports. But I see the significance of keeping it here... just. Wow! They must be so relieved after such condescending smugness. Often wondered if some of the admin drive open topped, black Mercedes with Alsatians in the back when I read comments like this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Bit shocking that a name like Ashtons should have to retire at his age, especially with all the physio resource at most pro clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Sadly he'll probably be accepting some kind of insurance pay out on the end of his career - a condition of which will be that he never plays professional football again. A terrible waste since give a couple of years rehabilitation and there's the possibility that he might be a class act again. Of course if he hasn't got any such insurance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Sadly he'll probably be accepting some kind of insurance pay out on the end of his career - a condition of which will be that he never plays professional football again. A terrible waste since give a couple of years rehabilitation and there's the possibility that he might be a class act again. Of course if he hasn't got any such insurance... The club's/league/PFA have a scheme where all league professionals are insured against injury terminating careers. Once taken if the player wants to play for a league team again the sum received has to be repaid before being allowed to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 I remember Mike Marsh, the ex Liverpool defender playing for various Conference sides but having to get a transfer from Kidderminster, when they managed to get promotion to the FL, under the terms of his insurance payout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 He was told a while ago that its either retire from football now or play again and probably not be able to walk when he's older. I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing him in a Saints shirt anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Could have been an England regular for years, I really rate(d) him. Absolutely. Tragic news. I would put him (at his peak) ahead of all the current crop (Defoe, Crouch, Heskey, Owen, Agbonlahor etc.) apart from Rooney. What a pair they would have made! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 The insurance premiums are guite high so some clubs run their own 'insurance scheme', that is they save on the premiums and take a chance. I believe that Arsenal used to be one of them. Likewise Hampshire County Council reckon that they are big enough to handle the risks and got caught for about £18m a few years ago when the Sony building at Basingstoke went up in flames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 This is why so many players demand such high wages, should something like this happen to them. Before it starts, there are high wages and high wages though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Footballers and other professionals (such as musicians) who earn a lot of money in a short period are allowed special dispensation for their pension payments. These are not allowed for the likes of us. Damned shame, though, that such a promising young professional should have his career cut short. Sadly he is not alone in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 If Pardew can work a medical miracle on Connolly then why not Ashton? I honestly believe Pardew can solve Ashton's ankle problems using power of the mind alone. While we're on the subject (and seeing as I can't start new threads) I've been thinking for a while now about another potential player we could try and snap up...Ron Davies. I would be willing to contribute to Pardews fare to America because I think he could probably make Big Ron better. Anyone not willing to pay Pardews fare is not a proper fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 He's AP not JC!!! Jarvis ****er....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Ashton had signed a new five year deal at the start of last season. It is a real shame as he looked a class act. Can't believe he is only 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 11 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Just thinkin hammers are skint so are they trying an insurance job AP tell the boy sign for saints antonio will do the running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 Confirmed today that he has been forced to retire. Shame, very good player IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 With news that west ham are due to retire Ashton due to failure to get fit after injury could Pardew work his magic in same way he has rescued DC? Doubt it. We're already doing the same with David Connelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 He'll play again at some level though won't he. How does it work, as many players forced to retire at high levels play lower level football. Semi-pro or something, I guess you don't train anywhere near as much so it's nothing like the strain. Take David Hughes, who went on to play a lot of games for Eastleigh despite having to retire very young with us. It must be very hard to give up at 25 anyway so good luck to him. He's been told by the surgeon who performed the original operation that if he plays football he may never walk again - so I doubt you'll see him roughing it in the lower leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S41NTS Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 Surely this coversation is pointless? It's been widely quoted that he's been told if he wants to train and or play it is likely he'll lose the ability to walk. The unfortunate truth is that his playing career is over for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandy_Top_89 Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 A shame for sure, i wonder if he will reappear in another footballing role. I could see him becoming a very good coach or even manager in the future, plus trying to look on the positive side (granted that must be hard). If he does go down that route he has a good 7 -10 year advantage to gain experience and perfect the techniques of coaching over other professional footballers that decide to do that when they retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 I hear pardew is a christian and believes in his 'healing hands'..get ashton here at the double and lets pardew do his magic, like he did with connolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 I can't see the harm in letting AP try to heal Ashton. If he can heal Connelly like he did, why do so many on here think he can't fix Ashton's ankle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 He's retired. That means he's taken a big insurance pay out and ended his foorball career, to play football again he would have to give that money back. It just isn't going to happen, if there was even a slight chance he would play again he would still be at West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 I can't see the harm in letting AP try to heal Ashton. If he can heal Connelly like he did, why do so many on here think he can't fix Ashton's ankle? Because Ashton has been told if he plays football he may never walk again. This really is a bizarre thread and has no similarity to David Connolly. Ashton will never play football again. He is very seriously injured! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 Shame about Ashton, fully fit he is without doubt England quality. We should of signed him when he was at Crewe but as soon as it was metioned in the press, Lowe quickly denied it. Tosser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 Because Ashton has been told if he plays football he may never walk again. This really is a bizarre thread and has no similarity to David Connolly. Ashton will never play football again. He is very seriously injured! but if pardew laid his magic hands on him and prayed in tongues then SURELY...he would play again..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 Because Ashton has been told if he plays football he may never walk again. This really is a bizarre thread and has no similarity to David Connolly. Ashton will never play football again. He is very seriously injured! No similarities? You should start living in the real world. Connolly was out injured for 18months or whatever and Ashton is out long term. I'd say that was a similarity. From what I have seen of Pardew I am sure that he can get Ashton up and running again. He might not play every game, but even half a season would be good. He would batter defences in this league and I am sure he would want to play for Pardew, given the past. I wouldn't doubt for a minute that Pardew could sort Ashton out and that Ashton would be so grateful that he would sign a contract with us, without breaking the bank!! LOL! Even though, ironically, we could probably afford to hae our bank broken with ML in charge!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 It ain't gonna happen, he has obviously looked at the angles and taken the decision for himself. To say that he may turn around one morning and say; "oh, f*ck walking later, i wanna play for saints" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 (edited) No similarities? You should start living in the real world. Connolly was out injured for 18months or whatever and Ashton is out long term. I'd say that was a similarity. From what I have seen of Pardew I am sure that he can get Ashton up and running again. He might not play every game, but even half a season would be good. He would batter defences in this league and I am sure he would want to play for Pardew, given the past. I wouldn't doubt for a minute that Pardew could sort Ashton out and that Ashton would be so grateful that he would sign a contract with us, without breaking the bank!! LOL! Even though, ironically, we could probably afford to hae our bank broken with ML in charge!! As I said before he has been told if he starts playing again it could mean he may never be able to walk on that ankle again for potentially the next 60 years! Are you telling me it is worth the risk of playing and then for him to screw his leg up for the the rest of his life? David Connolly had a bad injury but has recovered, there is NO chance Ashton can recover hence why professionals advised him to retire. I doubt Dean Ashton would have taken this decision on a whim and decide to jump back into playing for Saints just because a contract is waved before him. Some things are more important than football and your mobility for the next 60 years in my opinion is more important than a game of football. I hope you have a change of mind and decide that aswell. Edited 11 December, 2009 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 11 December, 2009 Share Posted 11 December, 2009 No similarities? You should start living in the real world. Connolly was out injured for 18months or whatever and Ashton is out long term. I'd say that was a similarity. From what I have seen of Pardew I am sure that he can get Ashton up and running again. He might not play every game, but even half a season would be good. He would batter defences in this league and I am sure he would want to play for Pardew, given the past. I wouldn't doubt for a minute that Pardew could sort Ashton out and that Ashton would be so grateful that he would sign a contract with us, without breaking the bank!! LOL! Even though, ironically, we could probably afford to hae our bank broken with ML in charge!! I don't know what Connolly was told by the experts about his injuries, I'll take a chance that they didn't tell him that playing football would cripple him for the rest of his life. Now AP having worked with DC decided to give him a go for 3/4 weeks in training, then offered him a contract. Now Dean Ashton (real shame as he was a class act) HAS been told by "probably" several of the best medical experts that money can buy that his injury is that severe here MUST retire or suffer the consequences later in life. So top surgeons can't heal him but in your oppinion AP by laying on his hands will do this? Its a shame when someone as young as DA has to take what must have been a hard desicion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 No similarities? You should start living in the real world. Connolly was out injured for 18months or whatever and Ashton is out long term. I'd say that was a similarity. From what I have seen of Pardew I am sure that he can get Ashton up and running again. He might not play every game, but even half a season would be good. He would batter defences in this league and I am sure he would want to play for Pardew, given the past. I wouldn't doubt for a minute that Pardew could sort Ashton out and that Ashton would be so grateful that he would sign a contract with us, without breaking the bank!! LOL! Even though, ironically, we could probably afford to hae our bank broken with ML in charge!! I love the fact that he made this vital comment, and then went on to prove that indeed Matt le god is living in a different world to himself. Wiltshires world however is clearly full of pipe dreams and ********. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Pardew do voodoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 I don't know what Connolly was told by the experts about his injuries, I'll take a chance that they didn't tell him that playing football would cripple him for the rest of his life. Now AP having worked with DC decided to give him a go for 3/4 weeks in training, then offered him a contract. Now Dean Ashton (real shame as he was a class act) HAS been told by "probably" several of the best medical experts that money can buy that his injury is that severe here MUST retire or suffer the consequences later in life. So top surgeons can't heal him but in your oppinion AP by laying on his hands will do this? Its a shame when someone as young as DA has to take what must have been a hard desicion. This anti Pardew/Ashton nonsense is really starting to **** me off. He's done a great job here and has really turned our squad around. Dean Ashton's got a pretty serious injury but there's no real reason why Pardew shouldn't be allowed to try to heal him. You never know, he might just be able to work his magic, like he did with David Connelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN MY DAY Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 If you read the full story in the current bun today you will see what a pointless thread this is, he cant shoot with left foot only pass, he cant jump on this left foot and by his own words its rendered himself ineffective. His ankle grind and makes a noise when he walks. Very sad story from a genuinely nice guy. Also a very good interview with a former hammer Danny Williamson on Talksport yesterday who retired at 25 after a 5mill pound move to Everton. If you look through the top 4 teams in the premiership today, you will see the best part of 20 top class first teamers missing, are fans getting value for money? are there too many league games / champions league game / etc.? They are the pampered few but one bad tackle and its over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 If you read the full story in the current bun today you will see what a pointless thread this is, he cant shoot with left foot only pass, he cant jump on this left foot and by his own words its rendered himself ineffective. His ankle grind and makes a noise when he walks. Very sad story from a genuinely nice guy. Also a very good interview with a former hammer Danny Williamson on Talksport yesterday who retired at 25 after a 5mill pound move to Everton. If you look through the top 4 teams in the premiership today, you will see the best part of 20 top class first teamers missing, are fans getting value for money? are there too many league games / champions league game / etc.? They are the pampered few but one bad tackle and its over. It is a very sad story, he was the one player who i felt could do a similar job to Teddy Sherringham, he was a very intelligent player. There was also another article about him on the sky sports site today, he's got to have another operation on his ankle because he still cannot even walk properly. - but he'll never be able to run or jog again, in his own words. so sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 This anti Pardew/Ashton nonsense is really starting to **** me off. He's done a great job here and has really turned our squad around. Dean Ashton's got a pretty serious injury but there's no real reason why Pardew shouldn't be allowed to try to heal him. You never know, he might just be able to work his magic, like he did with David Connelly. I agree with you completely. Seems ludicrous to me that Ashton wouldn't al least contact Pardew, what's he got to lose? He might be able to do what he did with Conley, he looks back to his best if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 I agree with you completely. Seems ludicrous to me that Ashton wouldn't al least contact Pardew, what's he got to lose? He might be able to do what he did with Conley, he looks back to his best if you ask me. seriously, no chance. hes never going to play again, he cant even walk properly at the moment! as people have said, he's also taken a big insurance pay out - and he'd have clauses in that payout that states he cannot play professionally again, otherwise it's void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 I agree with you completely. Seems ludicrous to me that Ashton wouldn't al least contact Pardew, what's he got to lose? He might be able to do what he did with Conley, he looks back to his best if you ask me. why are people dismissing pardews healing hands..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Pardew should take up a new job as a spiritual healer.....................or that seems what many believe he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bath Saint Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Hang on. Are some of you trying to suggest that Pardew hasn't done a fantastic job on Connolly? Why on earth shouldn't he be given a chance with Ashton? This is just the usual defeatism that I always seem to hear. Can't believe people are getting on Pardew's back already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Hang on. Are some of you trying to suggest that Pardew hasn't done a fantastic job on Connolly? Why on earth shouldn't he be given a chance with Ashton? This is just the usual defeatism that I always seem to hear. Can't believe people are getting on Pardew's back already Connolly was/is injury prone while Ashton has an injury so serious that Dr's say DONT play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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