SICK

[docker-p]

Anyone remember the SICK campaign back in the late 80's?

For those who don't, 'SICK' stood for 'Saints in conventional kit'. Fans then were fed up with various new strips each season and wanted to return to our trade mark red and white stripes.

 

And here we are again. The suggestion is next season, in our 125th year, we abandon the shirt that we all grew up with for a kit no living Saints fan ever saw us wear.

 

If you are going to the trouble to celebrate 125 years of sporting and civic history why would you abandon the one thing that football fans near and far associate with Southampton FC?

I've met locals in Indonesia who on seeing my red and white striped shirt immediately shouted 'Southampton' at me.

 

IF you want to think in terms of brands, brands needs identities. Identities are long in establishing but can be ruined in moments. And our 'brand' is identified by red and white stripes.

 

I'm delighted that we will celebrate our 125th year by not having a sponsor on our shirts, but wouldn't that make more sense on a shirt people now too old to go to a match remember us wearing in the 30's or 40's?

 

I can understand the suggestion of revisiting the sash kit as it was our first kit, but in reality it's only a small footnote in our history, along with the quartered kit.

We have a rich and glorious heritage, and our 125th anniversary is a good time to celebrate it; wearing the kit that has made us famous.

[Turkish]

If we are going to do it then i'd love to see a return to the Keegan kit, it was the first kit i remember us playing in and was worn by our best ever team. I'd love to see us in that again, love too.

[eurosaint]

Anyone remember the SICK campaign back in the late 80's?

For those who don't, 'SICK' stood for 'Saints in conventional kit'. Fans then were fed up with various new strips each season and wanted to return to our trade mark red and white stripes.

 

And here we are again. The suggestion is next season, in our 125th year, we abandon the shirt that we all grew up with for a kit no living Saints fan ever saw us wear.

 

If you are going to the trouble to celebrate 125 years of sporting and civic history why would you abandon the one thing that football fans near and far associate with Southampton FC?

I've met locals in Indonesia who on seeing my red and white striped shirt immediately shouted 'Southampton' at me.

 

IF you want to think in terms of brands, brands needs identities. Identities are long in establishing but can be ruined in moments. And our 'brand' is identified by red and white stripes.

 

I'm delighted that we will celebrate our 125th year by not having a sponsor on our shirts, but wouldn't that make more sense on a shirt people now too old to go to a match remember us wearing in the 30's or 40's?

 

I can understand the suggestion of revisiting the sash kit as it was our first kit, but in reality it's only a small footnote in our history, along with the quartered kit.

We have a rich and glorious heritage, and our 125th anniversary is a good time to celebrate it; wearing the kit that has made us famous.

 

Surely if you want to celebrate the heritage of 125 years then there is merit in reverting to the original kit ?

IMO, one season in a changed strip will not make a jot of difference to our worldwide standing !

Arsenal did it a few years ago when they wore a burgundy colour for a season but I can't imagine that people had difficulty in adjusting back to their traditional red thereafter ?

[docker-p]

Arsenal did it a few years ago when they wore a burgundy colour for a season but I can't imagine that people had difficulty in adjusting back to their traditional red thereafter ?

Yes Arsenal did it, and few real Arsenal fans liked it, just ask Nick Hornby. But then few Arsenal fans get along to the Emirates these days as it's full of JCL bankers and media types eating prawn sandwiches.

[Matthew Le God]

docker-p,

 

If you were a Leeds or Crystal Palace fan what kit would you like to wear to celebrate an anniversary?

 

Leeds didn't wear white until the 1960's and Palace in Red/Blue until the 1970's.

 

Saints 125 year kit is for one season and one season only. In 2011 it will be back to red/white stripes. I really don't see the issue here.

[docker-p]

I'm not Leeds or Crystal Palace and don't give a monkeys about either.

I'm Saints and that is red and white stripes. End of. If people want a break from those stripes so much why not take a season off and go watch Bournemouth or similar.

[eurosaint]

Yes Arsenal did it, and few real Arsenal fans liked it, just ask Nick Hornby. But then few Arsenal fans get along to the Emirates these days as it's full of JCL bankers and media types eating prawn sandwiches.

 

My guess is that opinion was divided at Arsenal and that it will be here as well !

C'est la vie, one man's meat etc...

FWIW I will buy one as a keepsake whereas I never buy nor wear any of the current kits !

[Barry the Badger]

Wow. some people really like stripes.

[scott_saints]

We could lose our identity? not our famous identity?!!!!!

[Plumstead_Saint]

So it is going to be St Mary's YMA 1885 style:

 

 

 

 

 

or 1889 style:

 

 

I don't really care so long as we get promoted wearing it

[Matthew Le God]

I'm not Leeds or Crystal Palace and don't give a monkeys about either.

I'm Saints and that is red and white stripes. End of. If people want a break from those stripes so much why not take a season off and go watch Bournemouth or similar.

 

You can't get more traditional than wearing a kit in the style of your first ever kit. If you were born in 1860 you would have been up in arms that Saints changed from a sash to halves and then stripes. You would be making a thread saying Saints should be sashes forever!!!!

 

Unlike the 80's where there possibly may not have been a return to stripes, this is a one off, one year only kit. It isn't something to get angry about.

Edited 7 February, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[Channon's Sideburns]

Hellfire..I'm just glad we had no internet when that god-awful Pony kit turned up.

[docker-p]

Why stop with changing the kit, how about a new nickname, or a new full name. And then why not move to a bigger city to draw more support.

OF course our next opponents could give us a few tips.

[benjii]

Bring on the sash!

[Gemmel]

Why stop with changing the kit, how about a new nickname, or a new full name. And then why not move to a bigger city to draw more support.

OF course our next opponents could give us a few tips.

 

 

Always enjoy your posts Docker P, but think you are worng on this one.

Happy to see us go back to day 1 kit

[Matthew Le God]

Why stop with changing the kit, how about a new nickname, or a new full name. And then why not move to a bigger city to draw more support.

OF course our next opponents could give us a few tips.

 

Your argument of tradition is flawed when the idea is a return to the 1st ever kit. You can't get more traditional than that!

 

Thus the whole thread is null and void.

[docker-p]

Bring on the sash!

But it's not 'The sash my father wore'.

[benjii]

I've no idea if my father ever wore a sash and I'm not sure I give a flying biscuit.

[docker-p]

I've no idea if my father ever wore a sash and I'm not sure I give a flying biscuit.

 

Go to bed then.

[VectisSaint]

Anyone remember the SICK campaign back in the late 80's?

Nope, don't remember the SICK campaign, have supported Saints for 44 years, through red and white stripes and during the years we did't wear conventional stripes. Personally I like the idea of the white with red sash kit and think it looks ****ing brilliant, especially the one Gecko did that incoporated just a little bit of red/white stripe. I also like the idea of ditching the current badge and using the 3 roses again, or similar. Usually I am a traditionalist, but for 1 season (1 season I stress) I really do like the idea that is being put around. As long as it is done well and is not tacky I will be very happy and will deffo purchase at least one, because more than anything else I hate being a fecking advertising hoarding for a crappy airline or a crappy insurance company. It would be even better if the shirt didn't include the grotty little double diamond that adorns our plastic read & white shirts nowadays.

 

Bring it on.

[benjii]

Nope, don't remember the SICK campaign, have supported Saints for 44 years, through red and white stripes and during the years we did't wear conventional stripes. Personally I like the idea of the white with red sash kit and think it looks ****ing brilliant, especially the one Gecko did that incoporated just a little bit of red/white stripe. I also like the idea of ditching the current badge and using the 3 roses again, or similar. Usually I am a traditionalist, but for 1 season (1 season I stress) I really do like the idea that is being put around. As long as it is done well and is not tacky I will be very happy and will deffo purchase at least one, because more than anything else I hate being a fecking advertising hoarding for a crappy airline or a crappy insurance company. It would be even better if the shirt didn't include the grotty little double diamond that adorns our plastic read & white shirts nowadays.

 

Bring it on.

 

Correct.

[so22saint]

Hellfire..I'm just glad we had no internet when that god-awful Pony kit turned up.

 

Actually, we did, and the Saintlist had a meltdown.

 

I've got no problems with changing the kit for one season, especially if it's a kit we used to have. I think the plan should be:

 

Get promoted to the Championship in the 125th kit

Marcus to buy FlyBe

Marcus to rename it Air Florida

Get promoted to the Prem in the Air Florida kit - Rickie to grow a curly perm

[docker-p]

Nope, don't remember the SICK campaign, have supported Saints for 44 years, through red and white stripes and during the years we did't wear conventional stripes. Personally I like the idea of the white with red sash kit and think it looks ****ing brilliant, especially the one Gecko did that incoporated just a little bit of red/white stripe. I also like the idea of ditching the current badge and using the 3 roses again, or similar. Usually I am a traditionalist, but for 1 season (1 season I stress) I really do like the idea that is being put around. As long as it is done well and is not tacky I will be very happy and will deffo purchase at least one, because more than anything else I hate being a fecking advertising hoarding for a crappy airline or a crappy insurance company. It would be even better if the shirt didn't include the grotty little double diamond that adorns our plastic read & white shirts nowadays.

 

Bring it on.

I can understand, but not agree with, reasoned arguments about first ever kit etc etc, but don't tell me a red sash on a white shirt looks good. It looks like Peru, and Peru were ****.

[alpine_saint]

There is nothng particularly special about red-and-white stripes. I can think of at least 5 other teams that wear it.

 

I am all in favour of honouring our tradition for one season with the red sash or the red quarters.

[docker-p]

There is nothng particularly special about red-and-white stripes. I can think of at least 5 other teams that wear it.

 

I am all in favour of honouring our tradition for one season with the red sash or the red quarters.

But thats the whole effing point Alpine, it's NOT our tradition.

[benjii]

Heritage, then.

[docker-p]

Heritage, then.

 

I thought i told you to go to bed.

[alpine_saint]

But thats the whole effing point Alpine, it's NOT our tradition.

 

Suppose it comes down to what you mean by "tradition".

 

Personally, I would support Saints if they wore blue shirts and white shorts.

 

And I am bored of red-and-white stripes.

 

My fave kit of all time is the Patrick kit, then second is the Pony kit in which MLT played so memorably.

[docker-p]

Suppose it comes down to what you mean by "tradition".

 

Personally, I would support Saints if they wore blue shirts and white shorts.

 

And I am bored of red-and-white stripes.

 

My fave kit of all time is the Patrick kit, then second is the Pony kit in which MLT played so memorably.

 

We're cut from different cloth. I could never be bored of red and white stripes or Southampton FC

[Leslie Charteris]

There is nothng particularly special about red-and-white stripes.

 

Oh yes there is!!! I had the stripes etched in my memory from an early age as my Dad was a supporter from the Div 3 days, then there was my first away trip, my first visit to The Dell, all striped red and white. The only other colours could be yellow and blue (1976 ring any bells?) I hated all those kits of the 80s, even if Keegan looked good in the Xerox kit. But I'll go with a special no sponsor kit for next season as long as we get back to a proper kit afterwards.

[St Landrew]

They say players and managers are temporary, but clubs and fans are permanent. Well, let me tell you. Nothing is permanent. Individual fans come and go as well. So, just because we grew up with red & white stripes means little over 125 years, even if stripes were the strip for most of that time. We played in dark blue shorts and socks for a fair time too. I suppose I'd like to see a change for one season. Perhaps we could have the sash. Perhaps we could have the quarters. Perhaps we could have a completely new strip for the next 100-125 years. Besides, very many clubs play in red & white stripes, and I think a change might make us distinct. Honestly, I don't mind whatever strip Saints play in next season, as long as it makes the Lads look a billion pounds. Which means NO HOOPS in the socks.

[RedAndWhite91]

It was this kit that we played in when I became a Saints fan:

 

 

The '95-'97 kit.

 

I think I got the full kit in 1997 when I was about 6, no bullsh!t red and white stripes, and a proper collar. This is what we should have next year!

[The9]

I can understand, but not agree with, reasoned arguments about first ever kit etc etc, but don't tell me a red sash on a white shirt looks good. It looks like Peru, and Peru were ****.

 

There may well be a good reason why Peru's kit is white with a red sash...

 

"Football was brought to Peru by English sailors in the late 19th*century during their frequent visits to the port of Callao, which was then an important port of the Pacific Ocean. During their free time, the English sailors played football and invited the local Chalacos (people from Callao) to participate." - Wiki.

 

So they might well have adopted Saints' kit, given that a Sotonian player took football to Brazil and the usual trade routes on to the Pacific coast. They only have to have pitched up on the other side of South America after navigating the Cape and we can claim Peruvian football (and the origins of their kit) as our own too.

[SFC Forever]

Anyone remember the SICK campaign back in the late 80's?

For those who don't, 'SICK' stood for 'Saints in conventional kit'. Fans then were fed up with various new strips each season and wanted to return to our trade mark red and white stripes.

 

And here we are again. The suggestion is next season, in our 125th year, we abandon the shirt that we all grew up with for a kit no living Saints fan ever saw us wear.

 

If you are going to the trouble to celebrate 125 years of sporting and civic history why would you abandon the one thing that football fans near and far associate with Southampton FC?

I've met locals in Indonesia who on seeing my red and white striped shirt immediately shouted 'Southampton' at me.

 

IF you want to think in terms of brands, brands needs identities. Identities are long in establishing but can be ruined in moments. And our 'brand' is identified by red and white stripes.

 

I'm delighted that we will celebrate our 125th year by not having a sponsor on our shirts, but wouldn't that make more sense on a shirt people now too old to go to a match remember us wearing in the 30's or 40's?

 

I can understand the suggestion of revisiting the sash kit as it was our first kit, but in reality it's only a small footnote in our history, along with the quartered kit.

We have a rich and glorious heritage, and our 125th anniversary is a good time to celebrate it; wearing the kit that has made us famous.

 

 

Why not have a kit similar to the one we had when we first got to the top division?

[The9]

It was this kit that we played in when I became a Saints fan:

 

 

The '95-'97 kit.

 

I think I got the full kit in 1997 when I was about 6, no bullsh!t red and white stripes, and a proper collar. This is what we should have next year!

 

Tsk, stripes are too narrow and a horrible Pony tick shadow weave all over it...

[RedAndWhite91]

Tsk, stripes are too narrow and a horrible Pony tick shadow weave all over it...

 

I don't care, I love it

[Red Alert]

Surely the as its the 125th anniversary of us being formed, that very fact that the club was started is what we are celebrating? Hence for my 2p a white sashed shirt would be exactly right as that is what we wore when we were formed.

[SW11_Saint]

Anyone remember the SICK campaign back in the late 80's?

For those who don't, 'SICK' stood for 'Saints in conventional kit'. Fans then were fed up with various new strips each season and wanted to return to our trade mark red and white stripes.

 

And here we are again. The suggestion is next season, in our 125th year, we abandon the shirt that we all grew up with for a kit no living Saints fan ever saw us wear.

 

If you are going to the trouble to celebrate 125 years of sporting and civic history why would you abandon the one thing that football fans near and far associate with Southampton FC?

I've met locals in Indonesia who on seeing my red and white striped shirt immediately shouted 'Southampton' at me.

 

IF you want to think in terms of brands, brands needs identities. Identities are long in establishing but can be ruined in moments. And our 'brand' is identified by red and white stripes.

 

I'm delighted that we will celebrate our 125th year by not having a sponsor on our shirts, but wouldn't that make more sense on a shirt people now too old to go to a match remember us wearing in the 30's or 40's?

 

I can understand the suggestion of revisiting the sash kit as it was our first kit, but in reality it's only a small footnote in our history, along with the quartered kit.

We have a rich and glorious heritage, and our 125th anniversary is a good time to celebrate it; wearing the kit that has made us famous.

I think it's a great idea, if it's only for the one year - worked for Arsenal. If it is the 'sash kit' (can't see the pics posted here for some reason, but think that was our first kit), then that also explains why there's no logo.

 

Really look forward to it. We can revert to stripes (which will always be our main kit going forward) after.

 

COYS

[The9]

Surely the as its the 125th anniversary of us being formed, that very fact that the club was started is what we are celebrating? Hence for my 2p a white sashed shirt would be exactly right as that is what we wore when we were formed.

 

Exactly. It's not like anyone's suggesting we wear blue shirts like some other team, or original 1880s knickerbockers...

[trousers]

I've met locals in Indonesia who on seeing my red and white striped shirt immediately shouted 'Southampton' at me.

 

They shout 'Sunderland' or 'Sheffield Utd' at me

[Wes Tender]

It's all a bit of a storm in a teacup. We're only talking about having this strip for one season for crissakes. I'm entirely happy with the idea that to commemorate this important anniversary, we revert to a strip that we had when we first started.

 

Any who don't approve don't need to buy it, do they?

[Scummer]

Anyone like me who was ever a member of Havant Athletic Club will feel at home in a sash shirt.

 

[once_bitterne]

Yawn.....

 

Red and White is Southampton. Not necessarily in stripes......

[saintmonkey1979]

Actually, we did, and the Saintlist had a meltdown.

 

I've got no problems with changing the kit for one season, especially if it's a kit we used to have. I think the plan should be:

 

Get promoted to the Championship in the 125th kit

Marcus to buy FlyBe

Marcus to rename it Air Florida

Get promoted to the Prem in the Air Florida kit - Rickie to grow a curly perm

 

Perfect! Problem solved

[alpine_saint]

They shout 'Sunderland' or 'Sheffield Utd' at me

 

or Stoke

or Exeter

even PSV Eindhoven.

[saintjay77]

They shout 'Sunderland' or 'Sheffield Utd' at me

 

Ive been wearing my shirt in Torquay and been asked if its a Sunderland or Exeter shirt by some old lady. Cause of her age I let her off a damb good thrashing and just imagined pushing her down some stairs instead.

 

FWIW changing the kit for 1 season IMO is a good idea and going back to the original kit is even better. If we were changing the kit every year I wouldnt be happy and would join any campaign to get us back to red and white stripes but FFS its 1 season and its still our kit. Its not like we are copying Poopy's kit or something.

[SNSUN]

Most Saints fans will get the sash kit next season, but most Saints fans will also have a striped home kit too.

 

I don't see the problem with changing the kit for one season, everyone will want the new kit, but it won't stop us wearing the stripes.

[suewhistle]

Anyone like me who was ever a member of Havant Athletic Club will feel at home in a sash shirt.

 

 

Looks like they're on the way to The Coal Exchange pub just round the corner from there..

[Pilchards]

Anyone like me who was ever a member of Havant Athletic Club will feel at home in a sash shirt.

 

 

Love the top as my stomach muscles would look good in that kit but I must object to the shorts as I would hate to see Wayne Thomas flashing off his tackle!

[Bartosz Bialkowski]

shut the fook up about having f'ing stripes. Its a commemorative shirt for one f'ing season!!!!!