Schneiderlins Red

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Just watched it on Saints Player. Did anyone else get a different angle? It looks to me like he's just felled the Yeovil player with a bog standard yellow card chop after being repeatedly elbowed in the face right in front of the linesman. For me it was probably a yellow card each and play on. Did their guy get a yellow? In any case unless there was something else that can't be seen on Saints Player it looks a harsh straight red, and the officials were poor not to pull up the elbow work first.

[Deano6]

Schneiderlin's red

 

...yeah - and white. Red and white! LOL!!!!!!!

[Deano6]

I mean like the colors of the stripes Saints wear.

[thesaint sfc]

I mean like the colors of the stripes Saints wear.

 

 

I see what you did there.

 

Clever.

[stevegrant]

Just watched it on Saints Player. Did anyone else get a different angle? It looks to me like he's just felled the Yeovil player with a bog standard yellow card chop after being repeatedly elbowed in the face right in front of the linesman. For me it was probably a yellow card each and play on. Did their guy get a yellow? In any case unless there was something else that can't be seen on Saints Player it looks a harsh straight red, and the officials were poor not to pull up the elbow work first.

The BBC highlights showed what I assume was the exact same clip, blatant elbow by their player (who did get booked), but no real complaints about Morgan getting red for kicking out really. Pretty stupid thing to do right under the linesman's nose.

[Turkish]

...yeah - and white. Red and white! LOL!!!!!!!

 

hilarious, how long did it take you to think that one up?

[Ewell]

Just watched it on Saints Player. Did anyone else get a different angle? It looks to me like he's just felled the Yeovil player with a bog standard yellow card chop after being repeatedly elbowed in the face right in front of the linesman. For me it was probably a yellow card each and play on. Did their guy get a yellow? In any case unless there was something else that can't be seen on Saints Player it looks a harsh straight red, and the officials were poor not to pull up the elbow work first.

 

If our manager and club staff have no complaints then why should we? Sometimes you need to take off the rose tinted specs!

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/8106229.Pardew_has_no_complaints_over_Schneiderlin_red_card/

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2027750,00.html

[treggs23]

Just watched it on Saints Player. Did anyone else get a different angle? It looks to me like he's just felled the Yeovil player with a bog standard yellow card chop after being repeatedly elbowed in the face right in front of the linesman. For me it was probably a yellow card each and play on. Did their guy get a yellow? In any case unless there was something else that can't be seen on Saints Player it looks a harsh straight red, and the officials were poor not to pull up the elbow work first.

 

I was in the home end behind the goal and thought it was a yellow card only...Referee seemed to get a bit carried away by the Yeovil fans going crazy. To be fair though, the ref did well not to send Fonte off. My Yeovil supporting mate thought the two punishments should have been reversed.

[Rasiak-9-]

I thought it was definately a bit harsh, maybe worth appealing against just to see what we can do - especially as their player seemed to whack him one in the replay

[Window Cleaner]

Those that said he'd get 4 matches were exactly right.

 

Season finished for him then,unless we get to the POs and that is extremely unlikely.

 

Perhaps played his last game for us but again fairly unlikely.

[farawaysaint]

I thought it was definately a bit harsh, maybe worth appealing against just to see what we can do - especially as their player seemed to whack him one in the replay

 

No... If we fail in our appeal the punishment gets extended

[Barry the Badger]

I think the red was more for the intent... if you just look at the tackle in isolation it might've been a yellow, but it was so clear that it was 'afters' to the tussle just before, and it was pretty obvious he wasn't going for the ball.

[Chez]

I think the red was more for the intent... if you just look at the tackle in isolation it might've been a yellow, but it was so clear that it was 'afters' to the tussle just before, and it was pretty obvious he wasn't going for the ball.

 

spot on. However I never could get my head round the idea that wacking someone was worth a yellow but wacking them back equals a red. What's even more gauling is that Schneiderlin got a red for `raising his hands' at MK Dons (quashed I know) yet this fella only get a yellow for elbowing him in the head.

[benjii]

A bit harsh IMO. The kind of thing that Paul Scholes would get a yellow card and "isn't he combative little terrier" kind of comment for. Should have been a yellow each or a red each.

 

Either way, MS has been petulant and dirty all season. I like to see it sometimes but hopefully this will help his development. You'd like to think we won't miss him in the upcoming home games too much but Gillingham away could be tricky; their home defence is superb.

[L1Minus10]

You could argue that the Yoevil player should have gone for the elbow but organ 100% deserved to go.

[david in sweden]

If our manager and club staff have no complaints then why should we? Sometimes you need to take off the rose tinted specs!

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/8106229.Pardew_has_no_complaints_over_Schneiderlin_red_card/

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2027750,00.html

 

 

Of course, but if the other guy was mixing it, too then it was six of one and half a dozen of the other.

Hitting the other player first is never punished as hard as the retaliation (?) ..if as suggested the Yeovil player was thumping MS first :smt064 then sensible officials should either give both a yellow..or both a red.:smt062

 

Think the ref. bottled it and got rid of the problem by sending him off.

.if MS was " guilty " and the Yeovil player was innocent ...why did he get a yellow card:smt102

[Chicken With A Banjo]

Just seen it. Definitely shouldn't be a red. Yeovil player should've got red. Attrocious elbow to the face. How on earth can you criticise someone for reacting to that.

[Thedelldays]

lol

 

it was a red, you dont kick out at players these days like that..

 

it was a red and will always be a red

[Ewell]

lol

 

it was a red, you dont kick out at players these days like that..

 

it was a red and will always be a red

 

Don't worry all the experts on here know more than The Ref, Our manager and his staff!

[JibMcdo]

lol

 

it was a red, you dont kick out at players these days like that..

 

it was a red and will always be a red

 

I agree.

 

God help me.

[Ludwig]

...yeah - and white. Red and white! LOL!!!!!!!

 

 

Post of the day.

[Um Bongo]

Southampton FC Morgan Schneiderlin 17/04/2010 Suspended from all football until the Club have completed 4 first team matches for a Sending Off in a match played on 17/04/2010.

[Saint_clark]

Definite red card, but also a definite red card for their player.

[saintjay77]

From the camera view it could possibly have been not much but the ref and others were closer.

 

He took a swing at him cause of losing his cool when being elbowed in the face. Personally I would have lost it completly but then thats one of the reasons I never got onto the school football team.

 

had he not taken a kick at him the other guy could have been been off as the elbow was out of order but you cant expect backing from the ref when you take the law into your own hands.

 

Pards has stated that he will be fined and he seems hacked off that morgan has put the end of season "at risk" and he had a better view than the camera angle.

[benjii]

I still don't understand why it is a four match ban. Is this because he has been booked so many times as well?

 

If it is for having a red card that was subsequently rescinded then that is clearly stupid and the rules are clearly stupid.

[stevegrant]

I still don't understand why it is a four match ban. Is this because he has been booked so many times as well?

 

If it is for having a red card that was subsequently rescinded then that is clearly stupid and the rules are clearly stupid.

The red card itself at MK Dons wasn't rescinded. They merely changed the period of suspension to one game, which he had already served by the time the appeal was heard anyway.

 

As a result, the 4-game ban is because it's his second red card of the season.

[Victor]

I see what you did there.

 

Clever.

 

I don't think misspelling 'colours' is clever.

[Window Cleaner]

 

 

Pards has stated that he will be fined and he seems hacked off that morgan has put the end of season "at risk" and he had a better view than the camera angle.

 

 

 

Bit of a slap in the balls for our "squad midfielders" there then.

 

So OK Paul you're in again but as you're crap it's OK if we lose,it's Morgan's fault anyway"

[Saint_clark]

Bit of a slap in the balls for our "squad midfielders" there then.

 

So OK Paul you're in again but as you're crap it's OK if we lose,it's Morgan's fault anyway"

 

I seriously doubt he's said that. I'm also fairly certain that Wotton will be aware he isn't as good as Schneiderlin.

[Window Cleaner]

I seriously doubt he's said that. I'm also fairly certain that Wotton will be aware he isn't as good as Schneiderlin.

 

AP said that Morgan has put the "end of the season at risk" in his prematch piece on the OS, has been quite heavily fined internally.

 

I just think it's a bit of a rebuff for the others really, that our whole season's end may or may not depend on the suspension of one 20 year old lad.

 

Sometimes it's better to say nowt about owt.

[Deano6]

I don't think misspelling 'colours' is clever.

 

I live in America, so there's no misspelling. My sister still goes to games tho and keeps me in the loop. In fact she said she was going to start writing a blog for me to keep up with her matchday experiences. Hopefully she'll make it private tho to keep you animals from cracking on to her LOL!

[The9]

Just watched it on Saints Player. Did anyone else get a different angle? It looks to me like he's just felled the Yeovil player with a bog standard yellow card chop after being repeatedly elbowed in the face right in front of the linesman. For me it was probably a yellow card each and play on. Did their guy get a yellow? In any case unless there was something else that can't be seen on Saints Player it looks a harsh straight red, and the officials were poor not to pull up the elbow work first.

 

Looked like a hack-out-the-opponent's-legs-off-the-ball straight red for violent conduct to me.

[benjii]

The red card itself at MK Dons wasn't rescinded. They merely changed the period of suspension to one game, which he had already served by the time the appeal was heard anyway.

 

As a result, the 4-game ban is because it's his second red card of the season.

 

That's equally ridiculous.

 

Was it violent conduct or not? If it was, red card, 3 match suspension. If it wasn't, no red card, no suspension.

 

You can't get a red card for violent conduct and a one match ban can you?

 

Stupid rules, stupid football.

[John B]

Looked like a hack-out-the-opponent's-legs-off-the-ball straight red for violent conduct to me.

 

And me too he was nowhere near the ball

[gonzo]

I think Schneiderlin's red card has cost us - we miss him when he's not in the side. He needs to seriously work on his discipline.

[trousers]

I think Schneiderlin's red card has cost us - we miss him when he's not in the side. He needs to seriously work on his discipline.

 

I know that this observation will be met with the "one man doesn't maketh a team" response but he is one of our most influencial players at the moment.

[alpine_saint]

I think Schneiderlin's red card has cost us - we miss him when he's not in the side. He needs to seriously work on his discipline.

 

Either that or find a replacement when hes out/injured.

 

I agree, its cost us big time.

[SaintNeil90]

This red card cost us the small chance we had of a play off place. We really dont play well without Sneiderlein and I feel he may well have played his last game as well

[alpine_saint]

This red card cost us the small chance we had of a play off place. We really dont play well without Sneiderlein and I feel he may well have played his last game as well

 

I think so too.

 

going to be a challenge to replace him.

[S-Clarke]

he helps us set a rhythm in the games, when you replace him with Wotton you kind of know what you're going to get.

 

not anyone's fault though, we just don't have the depth in the CM dept.

[sotonist]

I think Schneiderlin's red card has cost us - we miss him when he's not in the side. He needs to seriously work on his discipline.

More importantly we miss not having wotton/james/gillett in the team when he's not in the side. that's what we miss.

 

Coming out of January without a third decent central midfielder was unwise.

[maysie]

I think so too.

 

going to be a challenge to replace him.

 

hilarious as you used to hate him

[The9]

This red card cost us the small chance we had of a play off place. We really dont play well without Schneiderlin and I feel he may well have played his last game as well

 

It was SO noticable that every time Wotton got the ball last night play ground to a halt that I called his replacement by James at half time.

 

As it happened James did things more quickly but wasn't any more effective as he was giving it away a lot, and as he had no defensive duties at all it also made sense to give him the hook to throw on a striker for the last 20 minutes.

 

Pardew made all the right choices from half time (can't blame him for putting Wotton in at the start either, he wasn't to know Oldham would offer nothing going forward) and it was just one of those days you can't afford when you're chasing a ten point deduction and slow start.

[saintjay77]

Bit of a slap in the balls for our "squad midfielders" there then.

 

So OK Paul you're in again but as you're crap it's OK if we lose,it's Morgan's fault anyway"

 

I wouldnt say that and im sure Wotton understands that he is not the creative player that morgan is. We dont really have a replacement in the same mold as Morgan so when he is out we notice it more. If we lose a winger or striker or defender we have squad members that can fill in to do the same job. Wotton for Morgan changes the midfield completly.

[saintjay77]

It was SO noticable that every time Wotton got the ball last night play ground to a halt that I called his replacement by James at half time.

 

As it happened James did things more quickly but wasn't any more effective as he was giving it away a lot, and as he had no defensive duties at all it also made sense to give him the hook to throw on a striker for the last 20 minutes.

 

Pardew made all the right choices from half time (can't blame him for putting Wotton in at the start either, he wasn't to know Oldham would offer nothing going forward) and it was just one of those days you can't afford when you're chasing a ten point deduction and slow start.

 

I know some have questioned subbing the sub but looking at the line up he was the only defensive player we had on the pitch that could be subbed for an attacking player when things were becoming more desperate.

 

I cant see how Pards could have done anything else other than poking the ref in the eyes to give him an excuse for not seeing blatent penalty's.

[Julian H. Cope]

...yeah - and white. Red and white! LOL!!!!!!!

 

[jawillwill]

...yeah - and white. Red and white! LOL!!!!!!!

 

Thats good! Very good! I remember Lee Evans telling a very similar joke to that once. Be he used the words 'f*ck' and 'f*cking' a lot more. That made it funnier.