Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Ok, so let me just put these down in no order, but all this has happened over the last few months, and I'm wondering what's going on... - Last day of season, no programmes available, no reasons given. - Liebherr nowhere to be seen on Times rich list. - Season tickets give no option to pay over time, want money up front. Do people get the feeling we may be in fiscal trouble, or is NC trying to prove that you can get worse club to fan communication than Rupert Lowe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 What the f*ck is this?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Are you insinuating that we don't have very much money? EDIT; Didn't read your post properly, your not insinuating - you just came out and said it. Don't be ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 You hhiiiiigh boiii? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 - Liebherr nowhere to be seen on Times rich list. Thats a list of British residents. Fret not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 One bit of "bad" news and the whole world is tumbling down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 None of the Liebherr siblings ever seem to be on a rich list. Pretty sure Liebherr is worth a few quid though. As for the programmes - whilst it might be odd, there is no link between it and anything else. With regards to money up front - if that was the concern they would have gone on sale in March. The only thing I'm worried about is signing a good CM or two, a couple of RBs and a pacy striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 What bad news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 No programmes on the last day! oh noes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 That's the bad news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em00jie Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Ok, so let me just put these down in no order, but all this has happened over the last few months, and I'm wondering what's going on... - Last day of season, no programmes available, no reasons given. - Liebherr nowhere to be seen on Times rich list. - Season tickets give no option to pay over time, want money up front. Do people get the feeling we may be in fiscal trouble, or is NC trying to prove that you can get worse club to fan communication than Rupert Lowe? The club would receive all the money up front anyway. Those paying in installments are paying a finance company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 I understand a lot of monies have been spent on improvements to the stadium and to the training centre no wonder they want money in fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Markus lives over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Ok, so let me just put these down in no order, but all this has happened over the last few months, and I'm wondering what's going on... - Last day of season, no programmes available, no reasons given. - Liebherr nowhere to be seen on Times rich list. - Season tickets give no option to pay over time, want money up front. Do people get the feeling we may be in fiscal trouble, or is NC trying to prove that you can get worse club to fan communication than Rupert Lowe? So if ML has ditched us already, will you all be so pleased about the results against Exeter, Brentford, Wycombe, Colchester, Swindon... If what you are insinuating has come to pass, dont forget that some of us were warning that this could happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 What bad news? The lack of a payment plan, hence the "bad" in quotation marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 I nearly bit - good out of season wind up :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 - Last day of season, no programmes available, no reasons given. Surely that would have cost the club money? Not a sign of a club in financial trouble. - Liebherr nowhere to be seen on Times rich list. Liebherr isn't from this country. - Season tickets give no option to pay over time, want money up front. If they were desperate for cashflow, they'd have released the season tickets in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 So if ML has ditched us already, will you all be so pleased about the results against Exeter, Brentford, Wycombe, Colchester, Swindon... If what you are insinuating has come to pass, dont forget that some of us were warning that this could happen... Do be quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 What with no sponsership next season, we must be skint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Markus lives over here. Pretty sure he still lives in Switzerland, hence him missing the last game due to the ash cloud, apparently. He also has a place in Dubai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Do be quiet. +1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Pretty sure he still lives in Switzerland, hence him missing the last game due to the ash cloud, apparently. He also has a place in Dubai. Look at Killers Knee's location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 So if ML has ditched us already, will you all be so pleased about the results against Exeter, Brentford, Wycombe, Colchester, Swindon... If what you are insinuating has come to pass, dont forget that some of us were warning that this could happen... Remind us what your solution was, will you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 1 June, 2010 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2010 I was literally just musing. Obviously not then. That's my worries over then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Look at Killers Knee's location. Oh yeah I will pay more attention in future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Do be quiet. I would suggest you direct that comment to those that are whining their arses off. I dont believe for one moment that is what has happened, but I am pointing out that the OP is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 I would suggest you direct that comment to those that are whining their arses off. I dont believe for one moment that is what has happened, but I am pointing out that the OP is absurd. I'm not suprised you've jumped onto his angle of thought. which is totally and utterly wrong by the way. We are in no debt and are currently running within our means. Markus doesn't have to prop us up every week, what i believe happend is he has dumped a wad of his cash into an account (say 50m) which is what the club will use to buy players, improve the club etc. he's not topping us up every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Maybe Markus and Nicola have been knocking around with Claus and have run up a bit of a tab with their coke dealer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 I'm not suprised you've jumped onto his angle of thought. which is totally and utterly wrong by the way. We are in no debt and are currently running within our means. Markus doesn't have to prop us up every week, what i believe happend is he has dumped a wad of his cash into an account (say 50m) which is what the club will use to buy players, improve the club etc. he's not topping us up every week. How do you know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 How do you know this? i'm not ITK or anything, just a couple of people i talk to have refered to this - which i think seems quite a logical way of working it. I guessed the amount - i have no idea what he could have put into an account, but it does seem a sensible way of doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 How do you know this? There was a quote a while back where they said that Cortese and Pardew sat down and discussed how much it would cost to get stabilised in the Prem from where we are now, and then they asked for the funds from Liebherr. I'd imagine whatever they asked him for is the budget they are working within. £50million sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludgershallsaint Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 We are in no debt and are currently running within our means. There is no way the club is running within its means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 So if ML has ditched us already, will you all be so pleased about the results against Exeter, Brentford, Wycombe, Colchester, Swindon... If what you are insinuating has come to pass, dont forget that some of us were warning that this could happen... if earth explodes tomorrow are have we all had happy lifes;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 There is no way the club is running within its means. it is if you look at it in a way that we have a bank account with 50m in it. i'm not saying that's true, but didn't Nicola say in the last fan's forum that we were debt free and will now run within our means? i see no reason for him to lie about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Ok, here goes....Devil's Advocate alert.... Can someone post a link that PROVES that Markus is who we believe him to be (i.e. a Swiss billionaire) ? Obviously all the signs are there based on circumstantial evidence but we don't have CONCLUSIVE evidence that he has hundreds of millions of pounds at his disposable, do we? For example, how do we know that Cortese didn't finance the purchase of the club through his City contacts and signed up a Rich Billionaire Look-i-likey a la Markus Liebherr to make it all look like we've got a single rich owner....? Supply 100% proof and I'll put such a daft conspiracy theory to bed.... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Ok, here goes....Devil's Advocate alert.... Can someone post a link that PROVES that Markus is who we believe him to be (i.e. a Swiss billionaire) ? Obviously all the signs are there based on circumstantial evidence but we don't have CONCLUSIVE evidence that he has hundreds of millions of pounds at his disposable, do we? For example, how do we know that Cortese didn't finance the purchase of the club through his City contacts and signed up a Rich Billionaire Look-i-likey a la Markus Liebherr to make it all look like we've got a single rich owner....? Supply 100% proof and I'll put such a daft conspiracy theory to bed.... ;-) http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/LiebherrInternational-AG-Company-History.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 icm? http://news.icm.ac.uk/business/swiss-national-buys-southampton-fc/2559/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludgershallsaint Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 it is if you look at it in a way that we have a bank account with 50m in it. i'm not saying that's true, but didn't Nicola say in the last fan's forum that we were debt free and will now run within our means? i see no reason for him to lie about that. I think most people would regard running within our means as only taking on commitments that are within our revenue streams. I think It is fairly safe to say that SFC has over the last year entered into commitments that it wouldn't have been able to if it wasn't owned by a Billionaire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Markus's pic on his coporate website would indicate some commitemnt, http://www.mali-group.com/, seems to show him sporting a Saints Tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 So if ML has ditched us already, will you all be so pleased about the results against Exeter, Brentford, Wycombe, Colchester, Swindon... If what you are insinuating has come to pass, dont forget that some of us were warning that this could happen... Oh for goodness' sake give it a rest. When he chucks it in it won't have anything to do with some crap results against crap teams in a league that was crap and that we were ten points behind when he bought us. And if you want some "look at me" appreciation, at some point in the future Liebherr will stop funding Saints, you have predicted it already. Great stuff, really tricky that one. No doubt at that point, no matter what the actual reasons, you'll probably claim it was due to some average away results in 2009/10, so well done, have a cookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Ok, so let me just put these down in no order, but all this has happened over the last few months, and I'm wondering what's going on... - Last day of season, no programmes available, no reasons given. - Liebherr nowhere to be seen on Times rich list. - Season tickets give no option to pay over time, want money up front. Do people get the feeling we may be in fiscal trouble, or is NC trying to prove that you can get worse club to fan communication than Rupert Lowe? can't believe you wrote this. What this says to me is just the opposite, and we have an owner who is wealthy enough that he doesn't disclose to the rags how wealthy he is. Not sure how the programmes issue could be seen as an indicator or not of wealth, just a ****-up with an advertiser or copyright. What is does show is that we are not going to be fed tittle-tattle every time something insignificant happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 I'm not. The press know a story when they see one and if there was anything fishy somoene would have caught onto it. I like the logo of Mali Group. It's better than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 There is no way the club is running within its means. Why? No mortgage and no interest charges, and crowds averaging more than 21k? The break even point last season with mortgage was said to be 15k I believe. OK, our wage bill has gone up, but our income has also, and our other outgoings have reduced dramatically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludgershallsaint Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Why? No mortgage and no interest charges, and crowds averaging more than 21k? The break even point last season with mortgage was said to be 15k I believe. OK, our wage bill has gone up, but our income has also, and our other outgoings have reduced dramatically 1. Transfer fees. 2. Wage bill up considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 1. Transfer fees. 2. Wage bill up considerably. Balanced by cup runs, 21k average gate, no mortgage, We also have just released 13 players off the wage will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 1. Transfer fees. 2. Wage bill up considerably. Transfer fees, fair enough. But wages have gone up considerably? Have a word with yourself. Last year we had the following players' salaries to contend with: David McGoldrick, Nathan Dyer; Andrew Surman; Bradley Wright-Phillips; Jason Euell; Stern John; Grzegorz Rasiak; Matthew Paterson; Marek Saganowski. Do you really think that the players we have brought in are on collectively more than that little list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 1. Transfer fees. 2. Wage bill up considerably. why do you think wage bill is higher than say 18 months ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 Transfer fees, fair enough. But wages have gone up considerably? Have a word with yourself. Last year we had the following players' salaries to contend with: David McGoldrick, Nathan Dyer; Andrew Surman; Bradley Wright-Phillips; Jason Euell; Stern John; Grzegorz Rasiak; Matthew Paterson; Marek Saganowski. Do you really think that the players we have brought in are on collectively more than that little list? didn't see this until I had replied. totally agree, my guess is 08/09 compared with 09/10 09/10: we had lower wage bill considerably we had more season ticket holders we had higher average gate we had no mortgage we had better cup runs we had more tv coverage we were in lower league Guess is balance sheet looked pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 1 June, 2010 Share Posted 1 June, 2010 I'm more concerned about the fact that peoples opinions are slowly changing regarding Cortese. He seems to be upsetting a lot of people and we know how badly that can end up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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