slickmick Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Hate having to admit I read this paper, but in the Sun today Harry quoted the following: 'I have always taken over poor teams and made them better. Bournemouth were in the old fourth division, West Ham were a yo-yo club, Portsmouth were struggling in what is now the Championship and Southampton were on their way down'. Now, which part has Harry got wrong ? At least he has acknowledged he managed us this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Hang on a sec....give me 5 minutes to baton down the hatches before people reply.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Football365's Mediawatch section noticed that strange bit of history re-writing today as well. I'd say I'm surprised, but given that he's probably still banging the "I took over Pompey when they were fourth from bottom and kept them up" drum (despite the fact that they were actually 16th when he took over and they ended closer to the bottom 3 that season than when he took over), that would clearly be a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 harry is a knob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 He's a self praiser/advertiser. Always has been, always will. He'll be bloody awful when he retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Yeah I saw this on Mediawatch as well. He does seem to gloss over his complete failure to turn us around. There's an article elsewhere on F365 talking about finances (might be one of Sarah Winterburn's pieces) that highlights Pompey as paying Champion's league wages to their players (it alleges Diarra is on 90k p/w), despite being nowhere near the champion's league places. I cannot wait for the Pompey bubble to burst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint2Hotty Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Harry Redcrapp is a ******.....................FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr saint Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Does he have an autobiography? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 I cannot wait for the Pompey bubble to burst. hopefully AC Milan will stuff their gay blue shirts up their r-ses. its a close call but i actually think i prefer the labour government to pompey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 hopefully AC Milan will stuff their gay blue shirts up their r-ses. its a close call but i actually think i prefer the labour government to pompey That bad huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 That bad huh? yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 I had a bloke down the pub trying to tell me that Harry Redknapp had been a good manager for us... I told him several times to "f::ck off" and then had a laughing fit... Needless to say i was veh, veh drunk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 I had a bloke down the pub trying to tell me that Harry Redknapp had been a good manager for us... I told him several times to "f::ck off" and then had a laughing fit... Needless to say i was veh, veh drunk... I certainly don't think we got the best out of Harry. He has a certain style of football management, he needs to spray money about liberally. At the end of the day you might well come out on the + side of the ledger but it's no good saying to him "you've got 1.5 million, do what you can with it", that's not the way he does things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Harry Redknapp is a self self publicist, who twists facts to suit himself, he was also a crap Manager for us. That said, in this instance the statement he made was pretty accurate. Boscombe were in the 4th Div, Pompey were langishing in the CCC, and we were on the way down, following some awful results in winnable games under Wiggley. Yes, he did fail to halt our slide, but we were heading downwards.. There is no doubt he took Boscombe to heights they've never been before and he has, with a lot of money, got the Skates in a better position. However it is the position he leaves Clubs in that he fails to mention. Boscombe were £4 mil in debt, West Ham went down soon afterwards, and the true story of his sacking has never come out. Hopefully, he'll leave the Skates in the ****e as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 However it is the position he leaves Clubs in that he fails to mention. Boscombe were £4 mil in debt, West Ham went down soon afterwards, and the true story of his sacking has never come out. Hopefully, he'll leave the Skates in the ****e as well.... Dunno. He left us in a pretty good position... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Dunno. He left us in a pretty good position... Well better than the day before he left, anyhow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 9 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Yeah I saw this on Mediawatch as well. He does seem to gloss over his complete failure to turn us around. There's an article elsewhere on F365 talking about finances (might be one of Sarah Winterburn's pieces) that highlights Pompey as paying Champion's league wages to their players (it alleges Diarra is on 90k p/w), despite being nowhere near the champion's league places. I cannot wait for the Pompey bubble to burst. Can someone enlighten me, has Gadymak (you know who I mean) senior had his bank accounts frozen ? I think I might have heard it somewhere that he had his accounts frozen in Israel due to investigations into money laundering or arms dealings, or something similar. If so that would explain why Gadamanyk junior has not been able to provide further funds for the skates. Lets hope the bubble bursts very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 (edited) Sh1tc&nt, it ******es me off when people say we'd be in a different position if he'd had the chairmans backing, how do you 'back' someone who needs an open cheque book in respect of purchases and wages, give me the back bone of that hammers side(Ferdinand,Lampard, Cole, Defoe and I reckon I could have had similar 'success' to what he had. Edited 9 October, 2008 by INFLUENCED.COM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Can someone enlighten me, has Gadymak (you know who I mean) senior had his bank accounts frozen. Didn't he just have to declare his wealth, as he wanted to borrow further, and Listed them within his 'assets' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Harry Rednapp knows how to play the media and always plays the victim. He needs a lot of money to be succesfull and a bit of luck but then most managers do. I heard some big money wanted to take Portsmouth over but if that happens they will have been incredibkly lucky to find three different people ready to put cash into them. **** ground, **** crowd **** town and limited branding potential Find it hard to believe Portsmouth can sustain themselves in the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Can someone enlighten me, has Gadymak (you know who I mean) senior had his bank accounts frozen ? I think I might have heard it somewhere that he had his accounts frozen in Israel due to investigations into money laundering or arms dealings, or something similar. If so that would explain why Gadamanyk junior has not been able to provide further funds for the skates. Lets hope the bubble bursts very soon. You are correct, but look at the Accounts of Portsmouth Football Club Ltd, who have a negative net worth of £30M and who are owned by Milan Developments Ltd who also have a negative net worth of £30M and who in turn is owned by an offshore Company. Young Gaydamak is a director ,with others, of both these companies but to keep injecting money of this magnitude by way of Directors/Company Loans, simply cannot be sustained at such a little outfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 harry is a knob. he might well be but he is still a half decent manager given reasonable support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Yeah I saw this on Mediawatch as well. He does seem to gloss over his complete failure to turn us around. There's an article elsewhere on F365 talking about finances (might be one of Sarah Winterburn's pieces) that highlights Pompey as paying Champion's league wages to their players (it alleges Diarra is on 90k p/w), despite being nowhere near the champion's league places. I cannot wait for the Pompey bubble to burst. Apart from the kiss of death from Mr Lowe ....... whjat ELSE did @Arry boy actually HAVE to turn us around ......... NEW PLAYERS (Two), sanctioned by Rosy Cheeks for example ??? ......... and I don't mean £90K Saints went down because, (for once) Lowe did not look at the "Business" side of the Prem Cash, and FAILED to invest We are now Reaping that Bleak Harvest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Harry Rednapp knows how to play the media and always plays the victim. He needs a lot of money to be succesfull and a bit of luck but then most managers do. I heard some big money wanted to take Portsmouth over but if that happens they will have been incredibkly lucky to find three different people ready to put cash into them. **** ground, **** crowd **** town and limited branding potential Find it hard to believe Portsmouth can sustain themselves in the Premiership. According to SSN they spent 90% of their turnover on wages (06/07 I believe) and only Wigan spent more (100%). With their summer acquisitions of Crouch etc you'd have to imagine this has changed again. So clearly it's not sustainable but then it's the case for virtually all teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Apart from the kiss of death from Mr Lowe ....... whjat ELSE did @Arry boy actually HAVE to turn us around ......... NEW PLAYERS (Two), sanctioned by Rosy Cheeks for example ??? ......... and I don't mean £90K Saints went down because, (for once) Lowe did not look at the "Business" side of the Prem Cash, and FAILED to invest We are now Reaping that Bleak Harvest There was money at his disposal which he didn't spend (didn't we have big bids in for players who didn't want to come?). His scattershot approach to signing players on reputation didn't have time to take effect. And the only decent player he did bring in was his son, who was crocked. I don't think you can blame Lowe for a lack of funds, but he was ultimately in charge of hiring the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 he might well be but he is still a half decent manager given reasonable support. Reasonable for him to his job of management means many 10's of millions, I appreciate that may be considered the case for premiership life now but he could not work with limited resource in a competitive division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporate Ho Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Reasonable for him to his job of management means many 10's of millions, I appreciate that may be considered the case for premiership life now but he could not work with limited resource in a competitive division Really? How many tens of millions did he spend to get us promoted as champions from the championship when we got promoted to the Premier League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Really? How many tens of millions did he spend to get us promoted as champions from the championship when we got promoted to the Premier League? Quite a lot, if not 10s of millions, it's where the structure and wages started that sees 90% of turnover go on player wages. Still other clubs he's graced with his presence and have 'supported' his approach are in rosey states now - or are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Really? How many tens of millions did he spend to get us promoted as champions from the championship when we got promoted to the Premier League? A crapload on wages Corp is the answer, they had by far the biggest wagebill at that level. How many other clubs, apart from Boro, could have brought Merson and Festa on £20k a week in the second tier. He does create a good party but watch out Corp for when it's over - he might have taken Bournemouth to what was the CCC but look where they are now because they've never recovered from the debt and also West Ham were left in a terrible hole with the Rio money squandered and had something like the 4th biggest wage bill in the PL. Enjoy AC Milan but do expect a difficult few years coming up after because Harry won't take any of the blame when you're lumbered with dinosaurs on gigantic wages. I'd say Harry was a bit like Kevin Keegan but with less scruples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporate Ho Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 A crapload on wages Corp is the answer, they had by far the biggest wagebill at that level. How many other clubs, apart from Boro, could have brought Merson and Festa on £20k a week in the second tier. He does create a good party but watch out Corp for when it's over - he might have taken Bournemouth to what was the CCC but look where they are now because they've never recovered from the debt and also West Ham were left in a terrible hole with the Rio money squandered and had something like the 4th biggest wage bill in the PL. Enjoy AC Milan but do expect a difficult few years coming up after because Harry won't take any of the blame when you're lumbered with dinosaurs on gigantic wages. I'd say Harry was a bit like Kevin Keegan but with less scruples. Redknapp buys the players but to blame him for crippling clubs is stupid. He doesn't hold the purse strings, the chairmen do. If he says he wants to sign Diarra and pay him £90K a week it's the chairman's decision, not his. They can say no to him. And who are all these dinosaurs on huge wages? Campbell yes but are you saying that players like Crouch, Defoe, Kranjcar, Diarra, Johnson, Davies etc are over the hill? Most of those would deliver us a healthy profit over what we bought them for if we wanted to cash in on them. But you need a blend of younger and older players and no-one can say that Campbell, James Kanu and Distin (signed for a combined fee of £500K between them) haven't delivered spectacularly for the club. He was the wrong choice for you, of that there's no doubt but to blame him for the woes of West Ham and Bournemouth is either blinkered or very naive. Lay the blame for those clubs ills at chairmen with poor control over their finances or poor choice of managers to succeed Redknapp (Roeder at West Ham for example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the boy from saints Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Harry Redcrapp is a ******.....................FACT I think you're being too charitable...he's a total **** in my opinion! When we went down he had more money to spend on a striker than the £90K (or was it £900K?) he spent on Fuller. Our main priority at that point was to get a decent striker in. He couldn't be arsed to put the effort in as his heart wasn't in it. Saggy faced tosser! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 I am sure I have said it before on here, but the worst thing that twitchy did was after relegation. We had the FA youth cup final team, many of who were ready for the first team and many more that would have been by the end of the season, plus Kenwyne Jones, Chris Baird and Andrew Surnam. They were all frozen out, barring the odd game for KJ, in favour of some Polish mercanaries, Dennis Wise and Ricardo Fuller. As a result, we ended up losing Crannie, Mills and Blackstock who all got tired of waiting. He had the chance to build something for the future, but decided to wheel and deal instead. Perhaps he couldn't get his cut if a youngster earned a new contract ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 saggy face has only ever been good when he's had big money to spend, it's the same as alex ferguson we have no idea how good he really is because he's always been able to buy any player he's wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 He is a ****, a ******, a ***-***** *******, and a whole lot of other things I couldn't even write using ******* asterisks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 he will always be useless in my book - his team selections with us cost us dear - 2-0 up against Villa etc - he is one of the few people in the world i genuinely detest and hold in contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Portsmouth City Council are to name one of the newly refurbished bells in the Guildhall or Civic offices after him,these are the bells that relate to the "Pompey Chimes". When will the misplaced adulation end,it makes me want to chunder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 The easiest thing in the world is to blame HR. Lowe is very fond of doing it. Yes he made mistakes but much bigger mistakes were made above his head. Most who slag Harry now were probably singing Harry and Jim chants with fervour after we beat Pompey. But, hey lets look for a fall guy who is convenient to kick. It makes us feel better if we can blame someone no longer connected. No doubt Redknapp is a flawed man and no doubt he has a "questionable" history when it comes to money (as have most in football) but actually if you ever meet him you will find him a man with a friendly personality who loves football and is totally without arrogance. But that doesn't count, it seems. When I read Saints fans talking about HR on this forum, I am reminded of a book I studied for O level - "Lord of the Flies" by William Golding. "Let's all hate the easiest of people to hate" philosophy sort sums it all up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPIKE Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Nice to see you lot aren't Bitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Nice to see you lot aren't Bitter Nice to see you are still obssessed. Tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 The easiest thing in the world is to blame HR. Lowe is very fond of doing it. Yes he made mistakes but much bigger mistakes were made above his head. Most who slag Harry now were probably singing Harry and Jim chants with fervour after we beat Pompey. But, hey lets look for a fall guy who is convenient to kick. It makes us feel better if we can blame someone no longer connected. No doubt Redknapp is a flawed man and no doubt he has a "questionable" history when it comes to money (as have most in football) but actually if you ever meet him you will find him a man with a friendly personality who loves football and is totally without arrogance. But that doesn't count, it seems. When I read Saints fans talking about HR on this forum, I am reminded of a book I studied for O level - "Lord of the Flies" by William Golding. "Let's all hate the easiest of people to hate" philosophy sort sums it all up. That would go with any manager should you get relegated/fail dismally. Had we stayed up he would have been the flavour of the season but relegation and the link to them down the road leaves a bitter taste in the mouth to most. Saying that he has done a decent job at all the other places he has been at, just failed with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 hopefully AC Milan will stuff their gay blue shirts up their r-ses. its a close call but i actually think i prefer the labour government to pompey Id like to go join our friends from Milan to cheer them on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Harry failed to keep us up. Rupert failed to get shot of harry when it was clear he had no interest in our position as a club let alone the club it's self. It is no small wonder as to why many Saints fans despise Harry( he fukced them over ). Lord of the Flies is a bit of an obscure comparison, Dr Smith from Lost in Space would be more apt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 The easiest thing in the world is to blame HR. Lowe is very fond of doing it. Yes he made mistakes but much bigger mistakes were made above his head. Most who slag Harry now were probably singing Harry and Jim chants with fervour after we beat Pompey. But, hey lets look for a fall guy who is convenient to kick. It makes us feel better if we can blame someone no longer connected. No doubt Redknapp is a flawed man and no doubt he has a "questionable" history when it comes to money (as have most in football) but actually if you ever meet him you will find him a man with a friendly personality who loves football and is totally without arrogance. But that doesn't count, it seems. When I read Saints fans talking about HR on this forum, I am reminded of a book I studied for O level - "Lord of the Flies" by William Golding. "Let's all hate the easiest of people to hate" philosophy sort sums it all up. He was also pretty popular after we won 4-3 against Norwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Platini must ****ing hate Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Consider the lilley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 I despise the **** with a passion, when he snuffs it I'm going to make a point of ****ing on his grave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 He was also pretty popular after we won 4-3 against Norwich. Not really Camara was pretty popular after we beat Norwich 4-3. While he was by no means a "hate figure" there was consistent criticism of HR during that period mainly on his negative attitude. It's been well documented on here that his **** poor management in our first championship season and disgraceful disrespect towards Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 The easiest thing in the world is to blame HR. Lowe is very fond of doing it. Yes he made mistakes but much bigger mistakes were made above his head. Most who slag Harry now were probably singing Harry and Jim chants with fervour after we beat Pompey. But, hey lets look for a fall guy who is convenient to kick. It makes us feel better if we can blame someone no longer connected. No doubt Redknapp is a flawed man and no doubt he has a "questionable" history when it comes to money (as have most in football) but actually if you ever meet him you will find him a man with a friendly personality who loves football and is totally without arrogance. But that doesn't count, it seems. When I read Saints fans talking about HR on this forum, I am reminded of a book I studied for O level - "Lord of the Flies" by William Golding. "Let's all hate the easiest of people to hate" philosophy sort sums it all up. "Totally without arrogance"!!!!!! you are effing joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 9 October, 2008 Share Posted 9 October, 2008 Hate having to admit I read this paper, but in the Sun today Harry quoted the following: 'I have always taken over poor teams and made them better. Bournemouth were in the old fourth division, West Ham were a yo-yo club, Portsmouth were struggling in what is now the Championship and Southampton were on their way down'. Now, which part has Harry got wrong ? At least he has acknowledged he managed us this time. Is he saying he made Saints better at getting worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 10 October, 2008 Share Posted 10 October, 2008 harry redknapp = **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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