Kaiser Soze Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 just read his latest post-match interview....more spin than a f//king MP. Cut out the cr@p Nige and pull your f//king finger out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Did he say anything about a Plan B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 just read his latest post-match interview....more spin than a f//king MP. Cut out the cr@p Nige and pull your f//king finger out. What exactly do you want him to pull his finger out and do? Not even Martin Luther-King could have got the team bang up for a cold Tuesday night in the rain, on a poor pitch, 350 miles from home. I can't imagine Nigel spends the time during the week sat in his office doing nothing. The man will be working his ******** off to get this team promotion. He talks about Brighton's result as 'frustrating' and clearly still see's the title as a realist ambition. He's been promoted from this crap league twice in the last few years, give him a break ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 What exactly do you want him to pull his finger out and do? Not even Martin Luther-King could have got the team bang up for a cold Tuesday night in the rain, on a poor pitch, 350 miles from home. Really ? That's exactly what I'd expect him to do. Especially given that it was the same kind of criticism being handed out to Pardew last season and Adkins managed to turn around the performances from early in the season too. Then again, only Brighton are going to be happy tonight, and they only beat the bottom side at home... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Really ? That's exactly what I'd expect him to do. Especially given that it was the same kind of criticism being handed out to Pardew last season and Adkins managed to turn around the performances from early in the season too. Then again, only Brighton are going to be happy tonight, and they only beat the bottom side at home... Charlton will be pleased as well, but they have a tough game at Notts County on Friday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 What exactly do you want him to pull his finger out and do? Not even Martin Luther-King could have got the team bang up for a cold Tuesday night in the rain, on a poor pitch, 350 miles from home. We got a 3-1 win there last season under Pardew,why couldn't Adkins acheive the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 What exactly do you want him to pull his finger out and do? Not even Martin Luther-King could have got the team bang up for a cold Tuesday night in the rain, on a poor pitch, 350 miles from home. I can't imagine Nigel spends the time during the week sat in his office doing nothing. The man will be working his ******** off to get this team promotion. He talks about Brighton's result as 'frustrating' and clearly still see's the title as a realist ambition. He's been promoted from this crap league twice in the last few years, give him a break ffs. 1. After 6 nights in a comfortable hotel, 90 minutes on the pitch shouldn't be hardship for professional footballers. Those of us who have played the game, or still are playing, have turned out in local football in conditions far worse than tonight at Hartlepool. 2. When interviewed, Nigel almost suffers from verbal diarrhoea, constantly repeating 4 or 5 phrases. I hope he does better than that when he's talking to the players. 3. What I would have liked him to do would have been to persuade the chairman to strengthen the team in Jan with one or two first choice better players, not just add squad players, but what I'd like him to do now is play the best eleven, which should include Schneiderlin and not include Guly. 4.So Nigel has got a team out of L1 twice before. And where is he now? Back in L1 because no higher placed club have gone for him, and where is his last club now? About to be relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 We got a 3-1 win there last season under Pardew,why couldn't Adkins acheive the same? Charlton won there last season and lost this. Who cares about last season? Hartlepool are not too bad a side now and have a good home record. 4.So Nigel has got a team out of L1 twice before. And where is he now? Back in L1 because no higher placed club have gone for him, and where is his last club now? About to be relegated. You're talking about S****horpe right? S****horpe who were doing perfectly fine in mid-table Championship. S****horpe who, since Adkins left, went 5 and a half months without winning at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 What exactly do you want him to pull his finger out and do? Not even Martin Luther-King could have got the team bang up for a cold Tuesday night in the rain, on a poor pitch, 350 miles from home. I can't imagine Nigel spends the time during the week sat in his office doing nothing. The man will be working his ******** off to get this team promotion. He talks about Brighton's result as 'frustrating' and clearly still see's the title as a realist ambition. He's been promoted from this crap league twice in the last few years, give him a break ffs. Is any of that actually relevant? From what I gather (from people who were at the game) the pitch was not that bad, professional sportsmen playing in the rain - um, really struggling to find that as any kind of excuse, and as for the distance from home, hardly like they flew half way around the world and are suffering from jet lag is it. Personally I think that perhaps MLK could have achieved if not the same, perhaps even a better result. I have little doubt that NA is working hard to put things right - but let's not point to irrelevances such as pitch, weather and distance as reasons for non achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 It wasn't raining and the pitch was OK, HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 You're talking about S****horpe right? S****horpe who were doing perfectly fine in mid-table Championship. S****horpe who, since Adkins left, went 5 and a half months without winning at home. Sorry to have to correct you Mr Nexstar but check the NpC table. Scunny are in 22nd place, a relegation spot, with 31 points and a GD of -23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Charlton won there last season and lost this. Who cares about last season? Hartlepool are not too bad a side now and have a good home record. . Don't think winning 5 home games is a good home record? In fact in terms of home records they sit 17th http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D2/home.html They have also shipped 24 goals in their 15 home games. Which is the 3rd worst in the league. Is it a bit too much to be expecting better then a draw then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Sorry to have to correct you Mr Nexstar but check the NpC table. Scunny are in 22nd place, a relegation spot, with 31 points and a GD of -23. What are you correcting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 (edited) Charlton won there last season and lost this. Who cares about last season? Hartlepool are not too bad a side now and have a good home record. You're talking about S****horpe right? S****horpe who were doing perfectly fine in mid-table Championship. S****horpe who, since Adkins left, went 5 and a half months without winning at home. Sorry to have to correct?? you Mr Nexstar but check the NpC table. Scunny are in 22nd place, a relegation spot, with 31 points and a GD of -23. They were 10th, 1 point off play offs when he left them. Edited 23 February, 2011 by NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 They were 10th, 1 point off play offs when he left them. It's been said before but I don't think you can compare S****horpe with saints the expectations are much much higher at Saints. No one can deny Nigel did well at S****horpe in fact he probably took them as far as they could expect to go, he will be expected to take us much further however. We are not a small club with little budget, 5000 gates and a chairman thats thinks mid table champoinship is a great achivement. Nigels going to have to do better than he has done in his whole time as a manager under a lot more pressure than he ever had at S****horpe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 1. After 6 nights in a comfortable hotel, 90 minutes on the pitch shouldn't be hardship for professional footballers. Those of us who have played the game, or still are playing, have turned out in local football in conditions far worse than tonight at Hartlepool. 2. When interviewed, Nigel almost suffers from verbal diarrhoea, constantly repeating 4 or 5 phrases. I hope he does better than that when he's talking to the players. 3. What I would have liked him to do would have been to persuade the chairman to strengthen the team in Jan with one or two first choice better players, not just add squad players, but what I'd like him to do now is play the best eleven, which should include Schneiderlin and not include Guly. 4.So Nigel has got a team out of L1 twice before. And where is he now? Back in L1 because no higher placed club have gone for him, and where is his last club now? About to be relegated. I share with you some doubts about Adkins, but like any manager he does some things well and some things not so well. I think that he had a hard job tonight as the players had gone for a while without a game, whereas Hartlepool played on Saturday and had a stinging home defeat to put behind them. I believe the lack of a game on Saturday affected the performance of some players and certainly did not help those who have recently returned from injury to get back to match sharpness. I need to comment about one particular comment you have made though... you seem to be suggesting that we would have been better playing three players in the middle tonight - Chaplow, Hammond and Schneiderlin. I can assure you that that would not have helped. Our midfield was already too cramped and replacing Guly with Schneiderlin would have compounded the problem while leaving us short up front. In addition, you suggest that Schneiderlin should have played instead of Guly. In fact, Guly was at times our main creative outlet - especially in the first half, so to have not played him would also have been a bad move! Having said both of these things, I would agree that Schneiderlin was missed tonight - but mainly because Hammond was so poor. If I had known that Hammond was going to play that badly, then I would have played Schneiderlin instead. Obviously he couldn't know that beforehand, but I think Adkins biggest mistake was that he did not take Hammond off and replace him with Schneiderlin in the second half. If you were not meaning that Schneiderlin should play instead of Guly and did indeed mean instead of Hammond, I wonder who you would play instead of Guly. Would you have preferred to see Barnard play from the start? Or would you have gone for N'Guessian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Really ? That's exactly what I'd expect him to do. Especially given that it was the same kind of criticism being handed out to Pardew last season and Adkins managed to turn around the performances from early in the season too. Then again, only Brighton are going to be happy tonight, and they only beat the bottom side at home... And we won 3-1 away to Hartlepool last year, under Pardew. This whole "we don't do well away to sh*t teams" thing is utter rubbish. We lose/draw every now and then just like every team does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST Randy Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Hopefully the drama queens will all be asleep npw and we can get a grip on last night's results. Of course it would have been nice to have won. I wanted us to win. But remember that Brighton lost at Hartlepool. Charlton lost there last week. Huddersfield are playing there next week so lets see how they get on. We got a point last night. So did Bompey - at home to a team they should have beaten. So did Huddersfield - at a ground where they should have got 3 points (we did). Peterborough drew at home last night - as did MK Dons. Brighton were the only one of our rivals to have won - and they were at home against the bottom club!! It was a good night for us . It could have been better .... but it could have been a whole lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Did he say anything about a Plan B? Interesting that you've suddenly reappeared now the opportunity to make pithy remarks alluding to the recent history of managerial and executive changes has presented itself. Never had you down as an attention-whore until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 We have got games in hand over everybody bar charlton! Wins at home, few wins away esp at bompey, couple of draws and we will be aok imo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Sorry to have to correct you Mr Nexstar but check the NpC table. Scunny are in 22nd place, a relegation spot, with 31 points and a GD of -23. what part of what he said are you struggling with?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 If we don't get promoted this season then IMO all of this speculation about the liebhers losing interest and selling the club will come to fruition. Adkins was specifically picked to do a job and if that job is not completed then he will be on a knife edge especially if we get new owners. You can butter last nights result up as much as you like but for whatever reason it was not good enough,relying on other teams around us to have a **** game is a foolish game to play if they had all won we would have been in the ****. I expect NC will have some choice words to say about it today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 still have 100% faith in NA but he does need to look at his options more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 What are you correcting?The implication that S****horpe have only slumped since Adkins left. Their team is the squad he left them with. When he left they had played only 7 games and were in 16th place in the NpC table and are now 22nd. Mr Nexstar's suggestion was that had Adkins not left they would be in comfortable mid-table but there is no evidence for that whatsoever. 16th after 7 games was not comfortable, and had Adkins stayed the team he left them with is just as likely to have performed exactly as it has done, which is to drop into the bottom 3. Fact is that Adkins two promotions are not worth much if followed by two relegations so lets not suggest we have a manager with a great track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 If Adkins carries on exactly as he has so far he will comfortably get us promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 The implication that S****horpe have only slumped since Adkins left. Their team is the squad he left them with. When he left they had played only 7 games and were in 16th place in the NpC table and are now 22nd. Mr Nexstar's suggestion was that had Adkins not left they would be in comfortable mid-table but there is no evidence for that whatsoever. 16th after 7 games was not comfortable, and had Adkins stayed the team he left them with is just as likely to have performed exactly as it has done, which is to drop into the bottom 3. Fact is that Adkins two promotions are not worth much if followed by two relegations so lets not suggest we have a manager with a great track record. Well. Pardew had a blinder in his job before us... Yet......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 There's no way of knowing if they'd have slumped with him there, but what does it matter? We are Saints fans, so judging someone on anything other than their performance at Saints seems ridiculous. Same way many on here talk about players we released years ago complanining it was a terrible mistake with the benefit of a few years hindsight and a couple of relegations. Adkin's promotions and relegations elsewhere mean bugger all to me. If he gets us up and doing well in the championship then he's done well, otherwise he's failed. Getting us up is all that matters,we'll need better to progress after that anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 It's been said before but I don't think you can compare S****horpe with saints the expectations are much much higher at Saints. No one can deny Nigel did well at S****horpe in fact he probably took them as far as they could expect to go, he will be expected to take us much further however. We are not a small club with little budget, 5000 gates and a chairman thats thinks mid table champoinship is a great achivement. Nigels going to have to do better than he has done in his whole time as a manager under a lot more pressure than he ever had at S****horpe. I could have said the same thing about luggy in relation to Plymouth in 2004. NA was a gamble when we needed experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Bottom line, Adkins will be out of work in the summer if we don't go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Adkin's promotions and relegations elsewhere mean bugger all to me. If he gets us up and doing well in the championship then he's done well, otherwise he's failed. I'd agree with this,previous exploits don't count in football IMO,otherwise lawrie mac would have been successful at Sunderland,hoddle would have done well at spurs,Alan ball would have set the world alight at city and Nigel Pearson would have been nailed to the cross and risen from the dead by now (if some had their way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Bottom line, Adkins will be out of work in the summer if we don't go up. don't think its as black and white as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Bottom line, Adkins will be out of work in the summer if we don't go up. I would hope so too. I could get us promoted this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 show how ignorant and deluded you are then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 show how ignorant and deluded you are then! Why? When I see teams performing better than us with the amount of money we have spent I feel embarrassed. Our level of performance on average this season has been unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I know it's crazy, but maybe, just maybe, were a team who occasionally might pick up a poor result - I can't think of ANY team who does this other than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I know it's crazy, but maybe, just maybe, were a team who occasionally might pick up a poor result - I can't think of ANY team who does this other than us. We are a team who on average has performed poorly and below par this season. Picking up poor results is fine and to be expected, it is the level of performance which is worrying and continues to be a concern. Consistency is so important and we just don't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Why? When I see teams performing better than us with the amount of money we have spent I feel embarrassed. Our level of performance on average this season has been unacceptable. maybe you should have applied? Guess they only pay minumum wage if anyone watching can do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 We are a team who on average has performed poorly and below par this season. Picking up poor results is fine and to be expected, it is the level of performance which is worrying and continues to be a concern. Consistency is so important and we just don't have it. consistent in gaining 2 points per game. Very good for any manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 consistent in gaining 2 points per game. Very good for any manager. I don't think you understand what I am saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 That's some crazy logic. Pardew didn't win 6-0 at Oldham. Adkins didn't lose at home to Plymouth. Pardew beat Huddersfield 5-0, Adkins only 4-1. Overall it tells us nothing. My post wasn't intended as a comparison of scores,it was in response to the claim that nobody could have led to a win at Hartlepool on a Tuesday night in crap weather,even though Pards managed it last year with much the same group of players which makes the claim null and void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 don't think its as black and white as that Me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I don't think you understand what I am saying. Me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Nigel get it sorted and pull your finger out...or you will be on your own bus off in another direction.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I may be in a minority here but I have always maintained that any manager cannot be judged on barely 6 months in a job. In fact, given that fact, I think he's done a good job overall. We had a good run and we're currently underperforming whilst grinding out a few results. I can see hypo's point, but I do think his expectations are a bit harsh, and, more importantly, being unfairly judged over short-term periods, when it is only really at the end of the season that we can judge our and his performance overall. I made the point in the other thread but Poyet joined Brighton in November 2009 and finished 13th in his first season. Adkins has had slightly longer and is clearly going to finish well above 13th. The comments about money and resources are valid to a point but you're still dealing with a squad of humans who need managing and pulling together, and to have us within the play-off places and competing for 2nd (1st has gone IMO) with plenty of the season left to go, is fine by me. Football is not a black and white sport, we will have poor patches, and we're in one right now performance-wise. We were playing better this time last year because we were in the middle of a good run and timed it right to build up towards the end of the season. Sadly it wasn't quite good enough because of the points deduction. This year we peaked earlier in the season and have dropped away. The important thing now is stay firmly behind the team and the manager and help them get back to winning ways. I suspect there is an element of anxiety creeping in and a fear of dropping points which is leading to us becoming anxious in our play. The players need to be relaxed and confident in what they are doing but if we contribute to the anxiety then it won't help. Of course, it is Adkins' job to help the players get through this and back to confident, match-winning performances, but the only judgement that counts, IMO, is the one we make at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Yeah fair enough it may be slightly harsh I just want promotion so much because the team is going to be destroyed without it. You have an irritating nack of making me reevaluate and moderate my previous opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I could have said the same thing about luggy in relation to Plymouth in 2004. NA was a gamble when we needed experience. Hang on...experience of what? Getting promoted from league one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Yeah fair enough it may be slightly harsh I just want promotion so much because the team is going to be destroyed without it. You have an irritating nack of making me reevaluate and moderate my previous opinions You say that, but... Who are the "definite" gonners? I would say Chamberlain and Fonte. Lallana probably. Schneiderlin probably? Those will bring in the best part of £20m. A ludicrous amount for a League One club to raise and one which will mean we can buy the best possible replacements. We will still have a core squad which is likely to include: Davis Some of the best full-backs in the division Martin, Jaidi, Seaborne Hammond, Chaplow, Forte Lamert, Barnard, Guly, We would need to pick up a midfielder or two and some "impact" wide players but would still be in a great position to get promoted, particularly with a manager who has had time to bed in and will hopefully have a preaceful pre-season to get everything ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 It's his post match comments that are becoming so boring. Cant put my finger on exactly what the difference between his interviews and Pardew's. But from last night below = c'mon we are all aware it was Tuesday and you were up north ffs. More talk of being in the building please. "We've come to get six points from Rochdale away and Hartlepool away. One was cancelled so we have to go to Rochdale on a Tuesday evening and we got one point instead of the three." "It was frustrating. Obviously we've come to Hartlepool on a February evening on a Tuesday night and the fans have come and got behind the player and it was a competitive game." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I just don't want another season in this gash league. Imagine if bournemouth went up an not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 (edited) I just don't want another season in this gash league. Imagine if bournemouth went up an not us.I am afraid you will just have to make do with what you get, and like it.....as I always say to the kids. Edited 23 February, 2011 by kpturner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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