Alain Perrin Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 People need to wake up and smell the coffee. If we go into administration we are royally shafted. There's no money in the global economy, people are contracting everywhere. People won't be interested in a failing club with a divided fanbase, no assets over the age of 14 and a bag load of debt. People like Fulthorpe are taking the **** with there "money's almost there" mantra. Tell that to Woolworths, MFI or Zavvi staff - if KPMG can't find buyers for stores with prime retail sites like that, where are they going to find buyers for a stadium next to a gasworks and a load of ropey prostitutes. The only way Saints will survive is by hanging on until the economy picks up, hanging on financially and in the Championship. Just my opinion though.... if you've got £50million to spunk up the wall, be my guest (by the way the fans will hate you after 25 minutes if you haven't bought Ronaldo and delivered 10 wins in a row) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 so you're telling us theres a chance? who's you source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Are forthcoming takover chances are explained perfectly here http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 People need to wake up and smell the coffee. If we go into administration we are royally shafted. There's no money in the global economy, people are contracting everywhere. People won't be interested in a failing club with a divided fanbase, no assets over the age of 14 and a bag load of debt. People like Fulthorpe are taking the **** with there "money's almost there" mantra. Tell that to Woolworths, MFI or Zavvi staff - if KPMG can't find buyers for stores with prime retail sites like that, where are they going to find buyers for a stadium next to a gasworks and a load of ropey prostitutes. The only way Saints will survive is by hanging on until the economy picks up, hanging on financially and in the Championship. Just my opinion though.... if you've got £50million to spunk up the wall, be my guest (by the way the fans will hate you after 25 minutes if you haven't bought Ronaldo and delivered 10 wins in a row) I understand your cynicism and I know nothing, but never say never. I work in a "Luxury Environment" and there are still plenty of people out there with good money. There are still more billionaires out there than millionaires! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 The only way Saints will survive is by hanging on until the economy picks up, hanging on financially and in the Championship. Quite right, and the only way is to replace JP NOW. Even that doesn't come with a guarantee, but I'll guarantee one thing, stcik with JP and Division 3 will be here sooner than you can say Rupert Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 People need to wake up and smell the coffee. If we go into administration we are royally shafted. There's no money in the global economy, people are contracting everywhere. People won't be interested in a failing club with a divided fanbase, no assets over the age of 14 and a bag load of debt. Sadly, this is true - Jonathan King just hasn't got the money he used to have. I did see him in Hedge End the other day though (true story) so you never know... People like Fulthorpe are taking the **** with there "money's almost there" mantra. Tell that to Woolworths, MFI or Zavvi staff - if KPMG can't find buyers for stores with prime retail sites like that, where are they going to find buyers for a stadium next to a gasworks and a load of ropey prostitutes. Do you have a source for this, or is it gained from personal experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Saint Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 "where are they going to find buyers for a stadium next to a gasworks and a load of ropey prostitutes." Kindly do not besmirch the quality of our prostitutes. We've got enough trouble without the bottom falling out of that market, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint63 Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 [ The only way Saints will survive is by hanging on until the economy picks up, hanging on financially and in the Championship. The way things are going survival will be outside the Championship unless we get a proper centre half and a centre forward to get on the end of crosses. Propoganda football is not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 People need to wake up and smell the coffee. If we go into administration we are royally shafted. There's no money in the global economy, people are contracting everywhere. People won't be interested in a failing club with a divided fanbase, no assets over the age of 14 and a bag load of debt. People like Fulthorpe are taking the **** with there "money's almost there" mantra. Tell that to Woolworths, MFI or Zavvi staff - if KPMG can't find buyers for stores with prime retail sites like that, where are they going to find buyers for a stadium next to a gasworks and a load of ropey prostitutes. The only way Saints will survive is by hanging on until the economy picks up, hanging on financially and in the Championship. Just my opinion though.... if you've got £50million to spunk up the wall, be my guest (by the way the fans will hate you after 25 minutes if you haven't bought Ronaldo and delivered 10 wins in a row) Thanks Rupert, but we want you gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 IMHO there are no serious potential investors out there presently. But, in Leon Crouch we have a strong leader who is a great Saints fan and has tremendous support from many important sectors. It is imperative that we get Leon in and Lowe and Wilde out as soon as possible if we are to move forward. There are some very good and influential people out there that will support Leon, but will never ever support Lowe and Wilde and their cronies. Regards Morph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 But does Leon Crouch want the hassle in taking control of the club sliding towards League 1 again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 IMHO there are no serious potential investors out there presently. But, in Leon Crouch we have a strong leader who is a great Saints fan and has tremendous support from many important sectors. It is imperative that we get Leon in and Lowe and Wilde out as soon as possible if we are to move forward. There are some very good and influential people out there that will support Leon, but will never ever support Lowe and Wilde and their cronies. Regards Morph They didnt last time though did the so why would they now when the World economy is far worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 IMHO there are no serious potential investors out there presently. But, in Leon Crouch we have a strong leader who is a great Saints fan and has tremendous support from many important sectors. It is imperative that we get Leon in and Lowe and Wilde out as soon as possible if we are to move forward. There are some very good and influential people out there that will support Leon, but will never ever support Lowe and Wilde and their cronies. Regards Morph Why don't they get together and make an offer for the shares? Lowe and Wilde etc speak for less than 50%. If everybody else sold to them they could take over the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 But does Leon Crouch want the hassle in taking control of the club sliding towards League 1 again? this is what I dont get... he mouthed off enough at the AGM..BUT..he is in a position to do (or try) somehing about it.. he had the press, the audience to spell out what his plans would be if HE was in the hot seat...instead, he just hurled abuse at lowe in some form and said lowe was not welcome... well, we all know that leon...how about tell us what else is there..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 this is what I dont get... he mouthed off enough at the AGM..BUT..he is in a position to do (or try) somehing about it.. he had the press, the audience to spell out what his plans would be if HE was in the hot seat...instead, he just hurled abuse at lowe in some form and said lowe was not welcome... well, we all know that leon...how about tell us what else is there..?? TBF to Leon - what was Lowes majority in getting re-elected? How do you fight that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 TBF to Leon - what was Lowes majority in getting re-elected? How do you fight that? Only 95% of those that voted. It looks like Crouch etc didn't vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Its time for Fulthorpe to declare his hand or forever remain quiet. But, let me be the first to say, God I hope Fulthorpe's consortium and Alan Shearer arrive before the transfer window closes or as has already been so eloquently described above... we are royally fooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Its time for Fulthorpe to declare his hand or forever remain quiet. But, let me be the first to say, God I hope Fulthorpe's consortium and Alan Shearer arrive before the transfer window closes or as has already been so eloquently described above... we are royally fooked. I think that we're absolutely Royally fooked then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 I think that we're absolutely Royally fooked then! I sadly have to concede... you're probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 People need to wake up and smell the coffee. If we go into administration we are royally shafted. There's no money in the global economy, people are contracting everywhere. People won't be interested in a failing club with a divided fanbase, no assets over the age of 14 and a bag load of debt. People like Fulthorpe are taking the **** with there "money's almost there" mantra. Tell that to Woolworths, MFI or Zavvi staff - if KPMG can't find buyers for stores with prime retail sites like that, where are they going to find buyers for a stadium next to a gasworks and a load of ropey prostitutes. The only way Saints will survive is by hanging on until the economy picks up, hanging on financially and in the Championship. Just my opinion though.... if you've got £50million to spunk up the wall, be my guest (by the way the fans will hate you after 25 minutes if you haven't bought Ronaldo and delivered 10 wins in a row) I've had a root round the back of the sofa and I can give you £12.50 for the hookers if it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 How refreshing. It's been a while since we had a takeover thread, even one that says there won't be a takeover. I say bring back the good old days when we had lots of threads about takeovers that were never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 27 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 27 December, 2008 IMHO there are no serious potential investors out there presently. But, in Leon Crouch we have a strong leader who is a great Saints fan and has tremendous support from many important sectors. It is imperative that we get Leon in and Lowe and Wilde out as soon as possible if we are to move forward. There are some very good and influential people out there that will support Leon, but will never ever support Lowe and Wilde and their cronies. Regards Morph TBH Morph, you could quite easily replace the Leon with Wilde and you'd have the a post that wouldn't look out of place the first time Lowe was ousted. The "very good and influential" people didn't step up to the plate then, and I don't think they will now. Personally in the Lowe vs Wilde vs Crouch debate I usually offer qualified support for Lowe. That said if someone could step up who could unite the support I'd be over them like a rash. All I want is for Saints to do well and (in the short term) avoid administration. On previous evidence I don't see that potential in Crouch and, if you look at the transcript of the AGM, he came across like a reactionary hothead. I'm less likely to support him than ever. To survive, Saints need cool heads and action (and preferably cash!), not vitriol and emotion. I cannot argue that the strategy that Lowe is responsible for is doing a good job on the pitch, clearly it isn't. That said I'm not sure what can be done (either with the players in the squad) or the manager. As someone who saw Pearson's Waterloo (Sheffield Utd) as well as his capitulation at Hull and at home to Burnley (neither of which were Dunkirk like in defeat), I refuse to accept that he would have done better - differently yes, better no. The big question for me is do we have money to change things sufficiently? I'm as disappointed as the next fan, because although I thought we'd struggle this year, my expectations were raised immeasurably due to the early promise (false dawn) of the early games against Derby and Birmingham - be honest, who didn't think "**** me this might work" after that. I think that is what hurts more than anything. It feels to me that we have been close to cracking it, but it is clearly not there. Sure we could get a hoof ball manager in and play the league that way (but I'd suggest you can't do that with youngsters, and you probably can't do that in half a season). Would I support a change at the top (chairman or manager), yes I would. Do I think it will make much difference, no I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 People need to wake up and smell the coffee. If we go into administration we are royally shafted. There's no money in the global economy, people are contracting everywhere. People won't be interested in a failing club with a divided fanbase, no assets over the age of 14 and a bag load of debt. People like Fulthorpe are taking the **** with there "money's almost there" mantra. Tell that to Woolworths, MFI or Zavvi staff - if KPMG can't find buyers for stores with prime retail sites like that, where are they going to find buyers for a stadium next to a gasworks and a load of ropey prostitutes. The only way Saints will survive is by hanging on until the economy picks up, hanging on financially and in the Championship. Just my opinion though.... if you've got £50million to spunk up the wall, be my guest (by the way the fans will hate you after 25 minutes if you haven't bought Ronaldo and delivered 10 wins in a row) Can totally understand your frustration, but keep your chin up and believe...you just never know mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 TBF to Leon - what was Lowes majority in getting re-elected? How do you fight that? they knew lowe had the majority vote...HOWEVER, they could have made lowes (falso) position look more realistic other than the 95% he goes on about....crouch and co gave that figure to lowe on a plate.. instead of mouthing off...he had the chance, infront of the local press, fans and other share holders to tell us what HE would do..what plans he would implement that would warrent doing the job instead of lowe.. all that came of it..he mouthed off whilst lowe talked about cutting costs etc... and they wonder why those in power back lowe...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommi Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 IMHO there are no serious potential investors out there presently. But, in Leon Crouch we have a strong leader who is a great Saints fan and has tremendous support from many important sectors. It is imperative that we get Leon in and Lowe and Wilde out as soon as possible if we are to move forward. There are some very good and influential people out there that will support Leon, but will never ever support Lowe and Wilde and their cronies. Regards Morph Two things: 1. Why should we get Leon in and Lowe and Wilde out - why can't he do that himself? 2. Are they the same very good an influential people who appeared to do very little the last time Leon was in charge or are these a new set of very good and influential people ala Mr Wilde? Leon is nice guy and a true Saints fan but at the end of the day he just doesn't have the personal fortune, the contacts and the ability to pull this off and make a dramatic difference. If Leon does manage to pull it off and gets back in the hot seat (which i very much doubt he can) it's just going to cause more change, more disruption and more heart ache for very little benefit. All three of them need to go, they need to officially put the club up for sale for £1 and give away their shares to someone who has some money to invest and unite the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 they knew lowe had the majority vote...HOWEVER, they could have made lowes (falso) position look more realistic other than the 95% he goes on about....crouch and co gave that figure to lowe on a plate.. and therefore rendered it useless as a result. Everybody knows what the percentages are and that Lowe's position is pivotal on the support of the Quisling. If he switched again, Lowe's cronies aren't strong enough to outvote Crouch, Wilde, Corbett, etc. instead of mouthing off...he had the chance, infront of the local press, fans and other share holders to tell us what HE would do..what plans he would implement that would warrent doing the job instead of lowe.. Why should he? The position we are enduring under Lowe speaks volumes about the inability of Lowe to run this club. As Crouch rightly said at the meeting, there was no good reason to have let Pearson go. Lowe tried to lie through his teeth and tell us all there that Pearson was too expensive. In the light of that sort of untruth from Lowe, why should Crouch do anything other than dispute those lies? He was already limited by Lowe to the amount that he could say. Lowe had control as chairman and set the agenda of the meeting as confrontational the minute he stupidly read out that anonymous letter that metaphorically licked his arse. He then went on to disparage Crouch's (and Wilde's) tenures as Chairman. Do you wonder why Crouch tried to defend himself against a number of slurs against him? all that came of it..he mouthed off whilst lowe talked about cutting costs etc... As you weren't at the meeting, you aren't really qualified to make any judgement as to what Lowe or Crouch said, could have said, or thought they said. You don't believe that the transcripts were verbatim, do you? and they wonder why those in power back lowe...??? Those in power? You mean the cosy little clan of former board members who put themselves in the position to enrich themselves via the reverse takeover with Lowe and Cowan's little retirement home company, in alliance with somebody who is prepared to stab him in the back one minute and cosy up to him the next, just so that he can protect his shareholding, his other monetary assets having plummeted in value recently. "Those in power" back Lowe for purely selfish reasons or hadn't you realised that? It's not anything to do with whether somebody could run the club any better, but everything to do with maintaining that power and influence and keeping others away from the controls of their train set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 I don't want anyone in power who needs the fans to get them the power. If you want to get control buy the f ing shares or shut the f up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 (edited) ropey prostitutes,spunking up a wall?.............sounds a lot better than sitting in the kingsland today......where do i sign up? seriously though,fulthorpe needs to start hoovering up as many shares as he can outside of the big 3's shares to prove his intentions and then work on getting hold of the big 3's shares.if crouch sees that fulthorpe is serious there is no reason why he wont give away his shares to him as promised,unless of course fulthorpe is just a chancer/dreamer. wilde,or the share whore as i like to call him will jump into bed with anybody to protect his investment it seems,so if fulthorpe is serious and he makes a serious charge to takeover the club then wilde will be undressed and bent over in his bedroom before fulthorpe even gets a chance to remove his shoes. lowe will hang on by his fingernails until the very last minute as usual but will eventually buckle and leave,giving fulthorpe his day in the sun. tbh im not convinced about fulthorpe but he might as well have a go at fvcking the club over,its only fair,he cant do any worse than what we have already got......can he? Edited 28 December, 2008 by lordswoodsaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 ropey prostitutes,spunking up a wall?.............sounds a lot better than sitting in the kingsland today......where do i sign up? seriously though,fulthorpe needs to start hoovering up as many shares as he can outside of the big 3's shares to prove his intentions and then work on getting hold of the big 3's shares.if crouch sees that fulthorpe is serious there is no reason why he wont give away his shares to him as promised,unless of course fulthorpe is just a chancer/dreamer. wilde,or the share whore as i like to call him will jump into bed with anybody to protect his investment it seems,so if fulthorpe is serious and he makes a serious charge to takeover the club then wilde will be undressed and bent over in his bedroom before fulthorpe even gets a chance to remove his shoes. lowe will hang on by his fingernails until the very last minute as usual but will eventually buckle and leave,giving fulthorpe his day in the sun. tbh im not convinced about fulthorpe but he might as well have a go at fvcking the club over,its only fair,he cant do any worse than what we have already got......can he? agree with all of that. which is why I am against protests - a shareholder, or potential shareholder who isnt all mouth is what is needed to rid us of all of these. Picking up on one thing, isn't it quite natural to want to protect your investment if it is millions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 It makes me smile that some pro Lowe posters want to compare the many years of the Lowe missmanagement with the 5 months that Crouch had the leadership...remember too that it was Wilde who put the Execs in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 I've had a root round the back of the sofa and I can give you £12.50 for the hookers if it helps. £12.50 eh, won't get even a ropey prostitute for that,no worries, plenty of teenage slappers to be had for the price of a couple of drinks in most downtown bars though.If not try Portsmouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 28 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2008 It makes me smile that some pro Lowe posters want to compare the many years of the Lowe missmanagement with the 5 months that Crouch had the leadership...remember too that it was Wilde who put the Execs in power. Snowballs2, it is not about how many months or who did what, when, for how long. Lowe may drive my Porsche erratically, even dangerously, but Leon got behind the wheel for 5 minutes and thrashed the nuts off it and crashed it into a wall. Sure I want Lewis Hamilton to drive it, but if my options are Lowe and Wilde or Crouch, I'll choose Lowe and Wilde. Fulthorpe, I'm afraid, is still just trying to scrape together the money for petrol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 £12.50 eh, won't get even a ropey prostitute for that,no worries, plenty of teenage slappers to be had for the price of a couple of drinks in most downtown bars though.If not try Portsmouth. you seem to know about this.....:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 agree with all of that. which is why I am against protests - a shareholder, or potential shareholder who isnt all mouth is what is needed to rid us of all of these. Picking up on one thing, isn't it quite natural to want to protect your investment if it is millions? of course,i would do whatever it took to protect my money,but if fulthorpe is serious then why doesnt wilde approach him and try and do a deal for his shares.imo wilde just wants to get out of the whole mess with his money intact and he may be able to do that if fulthorpe is serious. they didnt get rich by giving money away and doing bad deals,so they will do all they can to protect their investments,this is why i am suspicious of crouch and his claim that he will give away his shares to the right person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 IMHO there are no serious potential investors out there presently. But, in Leon Crouch we have a strong leader who is a great Saints fan and has tremendous support from many important sectors. It is imperative that we get Leon in and Lowe and Wilde out as soon as possible if we are to move forward. There are some very good and influential people out there that will support Leon, but will never ever support Lowe and Wilde and their cronies. Regards Morph Two things; firstly you'll not be able to manipulate this forum on Leon's behalf in the manner Wilde and to some extent Lowe did, in the past. People are far too wise to that now on here. Secondly these people willing to support Leon, but not Wilde and Lowe. I don't buy this. Where were they when Leon had 8 (or was it longer?) months in charge? Also if they really wanted to give the club some money what's to stop them doing it on the insistence that Wilde/Lowe etc step down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Those in power? You mean the cosy little clan of former board members who put themselves in the position to enrich themselves via the reverse takeover with Lowe and Cowan's little retirement home company, in alliance with somebody who is prepared to stab him in the back one minute and cosy up to him the next, just so that he can protect his shareholding, his other monetary assets having plummeted in value recently. "Those in power" back Lowe for purely selfish reasons or hadn't you realised that? It's not anything to do with whether somebody could run the club any better, but everything to do with maintaining that power and influence and keeping others away from the controls of their train set. well, that cosey little clan ARE in power..regardless of how you describe them.. right now, lowe has the backing of enough people to make a difference...telling them they are not welcome will not really change much.. I would like to know what leons policies are for the club..what would he do differently given the contraints to lowe that would make him a better option..or even tell us what other options are there... you can say things liek train sets and cosey power until you are blue in the face..I wont lowe out as much as anyone but with all the guff spouted on here about coins and crouch...im still YET TO SEE any form of alternative let alone a legitimate one.. can you point me in the right direction..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Also if they really wanted to give the club some money what's to stop them doing it on the insistence that Wilde/Lowe etc step down? That has always been my argument as well. But I guess with self interest toppermost in the minds of Lowe and Wilde they would want something out of it to step aside. Besides wouldnt that equate to Lowe admitting to a mistake ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 28 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2008 As you weren't at the meeting, you aren't really qualified to make any judgement as to what Lowe or Crouch said, could have said, or thought they said. You don't believe that the transcripts were verbatim, do you? I do believe they were verbatim. For two reasons 1) They appeared from an "independent" source (regardless of what you believe, Journo's won't shirk a good story if it comes their way). 2) If there was so much as a comma out of place there would have been post after post claiming cover up and spin from the PR Plant Paranoia Patrol. Are you suggesting parts of the transcript were inaccurate, misleading or false? If so which? I wasn't there, and understand than a transcript cannot convey the emotion, passion or heat of the moment. That said, viewing this debate without emotion can be very useful and many should try that occasionally. Read the transcript for me and, be honest - how do you think LC came across? Lowe's a pompous *****, but we're talking about viable alternatives here. All I saw (read) from the alternatives was Nero/Rome/Fiddle-like behaviour - a childish hissy fit, and an argument about a 30 year old photo (a photo ffs! We're looking over the abyss and people are arguing about a photo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 IMHO there are no serious potential investors out there presently. But, in Leon Crouch we have a strong leader who is a great Saints fan and has tremendous support from many important sectors. It is imperative that we get Leon in and Lowe and Wilde out as soon as possible if we are to move forward. There are some very good and influential people out there that will support Leon, but will never ever support Lowe and Wilde and their cronies. Regards Morph How do we do that then? We've just had a stormy AGM, Rupert still got everything we wanted. A mass boycott is the only way. I mean an empty stadium. More of a sacrifice from ST holders, but the only way to move us forward. It's not going to happen though is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 How do we do that then? We've just had a stormy AGM, Rupert still got everything we wanted. A mass boycott is the only way. I mean an empty stadium. More of a sacrifice from ST holders, but the only way to move us forward. It's not going to happen though is it. Looking at the falling gates I'd say we have already started to empty the stadium when you consider this traditionally well supported Club - with arguably the biggest fan-base in the South - has so few of us now attending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Leon needs the support of share holders. The current shareholders will not support him. Each side is digging their heals in more and more. The only way would be if the balance of ownership of shares changes. This will not happen by a protest, possibly IMHO less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 No it is not going to happen because most people still put their team before boardroom politics.... thank goodness. All, fans get disgruntled when their team is not winning matches but fans do not have any idea how to run a football club and nail their colours to anyone who tells them what they want to hear. Remember the Wilde fiasco and off the the cyber warriors on here who swallowed his bullsh*t hook line and sinker? Despite our league position, Lowe and Cowen have a job to do re the finances in order to tey and keep this club afloat. Sometimes people need to look at the bigger picture and put their personal issues aside. If Lowe and Cowen weren't doing it someone esle who have to keep a tight hold on the purse strings. I don't think thjat either Wilde and his mates or Crouch showed they could do that did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 No it is not going to happen because most people still put their team before boardroom politics.... thank goodness. All, fans get disgruntled when their team is not winning matches but fans do not have any idea how to run a football club and nail their colours to anyone who tells them what they want to hear. Remember the Wilde fiasco and off the the cyber warriors on here who swallowed his bullsh*t hook line and sinker? Despite our league position, Lowe and Cowen have a job to do re the finances in order to tey and keep this club afloat. Sometimes people need to look at the bigger picture and put their personal issues aside. If Lowe and Cowen weren't doing it someone esle who have to keep a tight hold on the purse strings. I don't think thjat either Wilde and his mates or Crouch showed they could do that did they? I think whoever takes over knows damn well that the finances need to be kept in order. Frankly, it doesnt need Lowe to do it. One and only good thing about being a plc is whoever takes over has to openly publish the accounts. Lowe is associated with failure. Whoever comes in will not be Lowe and at least provides some optimism. Lowe is not a financial genius.... he'd be pumping in his own millions into the Club if he were. But, he doesnt have any serious personal £s for some reason... wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Leon needs the support of share holders. The current shareholders will not support him. Each side is digging their heals in more and more. The only way would be if the balance of ownership of shares changes. This will not happen by a protest, possibly IMHO less likely. It can't harm to try. Can't get much more of a vote of no-confidence in the board. Maybe then Rupert's cabal will move him to one side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 It can't harm to try. Can't get much more of a vote of no-confidence in the board. Maybe then Rupert's cabal will move him to one side. They didn't do that last time, so I see no reason why they'd do so this time either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 agree. And will make our club even more embaressing and depressing and unattractive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 I do believe they were verbatim. For two reasons 1) They appeared from an "independent" source (regardless of what you believe, Journo's won't shirk a good story if it comes their way). 2) If there was so much as a comma out of place there would have been post after post claiming cover up and spin from the PR Plant Paranoia Patrol. Are you suggesting parts of the transcript were inaccurate, misleading or false? If so which? I wasn't there, and understand than a transcript cannot convey the emotion, passion or heat of the moment. That said, viewing this debate without emotion can be very useful and many should try that occasionally. Read the transcript for me and, be honest - how do you think LC came across? Lowe's a pompous *****, but we're talking about viable alternatives here. All I saw (read) from the alternatives was Nero/Rome/Fiddle-like behaviour - a childish hissy fit, and an argument about a 30 year old photo (a photo ffs! We're looking over the abyss and people are arguing about a photo). Journalists independent? My God, you're naive. They report what their editor wants to convey, with a slant in their favoured direction. Of course the transcript wasn't verbatim. Read it back again and tell me where they mentioned Lowe's crass exercise of attempting to big up his ego by reading that letter singing his praises. I can't be arsed to read it all again, but if memory serves, I don't think that they covered what Anne McMenemy said about the replacement of her husband's picture with the FA Cup either. Verbatim means quoting everything that was said, not a precis of what they thought were the salient points. I heard the words of all speakers verbatim, especially as I was sat close to Crouch, whereas in the melee, unless the reporter was also sat close to him, he might well not have caught what was said through the noise. The thing about the photo illustrates the pettiness of the people running the club. The significance of that obviously escaped you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 No it is not going to happen because most people still put their team before boardroom politics.... thank goodness. All, fans get disgruntled when their team is not winning matches but fans do not have any idea how to run a football club and nail their colours to anyone who tells them what they want to hear. Remember the Wilde fiasco and off the the cyber warriors on here who swallowed his bullsh*t hook line and sinker? Despite our league position, Lowe and Cowen have a job to do re the finances in order to tey and keep this club afloat. Sometimes people need to look at the bigger picture and put their personal issues aside. If Lowe and Cowen weren't doing it someone esle who have to keep a tight hold on the purse strings. I don't think thjat either Wilde and his mates or Crouch showed they could do that did they? The problem is SoG that while many agree the logic of the stewardship of Lowe & Cowen being the best at the moment for the "day to day" financial state of the club, we are developing a far more pressing problem on the playing side, which of course will make their other work irrelevant. Now I sure don't have a magic wand to understand what is really going on, but somewhere from afar it just seems that the wheels are coming off on the playing side rather faster than on the finance side. My worry, and I am sure many others have the same, is whether Lowe with his "3 year plan" has sufficient football business skills to review his plan with the performance and make ANY of the necessary adjustments. Plans are critical, but so is the ability to adjust as cirumstances demand. I think the majority feel we aren't seeing that and hence why we have almost achieved unity now in wanting change. A wise skipper knows when to put a hand on the tiller to take account of changes to the wind and tides while still heading in the same overall direction. A blind skipper sticks to the compass heading and "Damn the Torpedoes" (or Klingons) off the Starboard Bow. Run aground on the sandbank of finances or crash headlong into the rocks of relegation. Which is the greater danger NOW? (Sorry, it was FF that started the nautical analogies!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 But, in Leon Crouch we have a strong leader who is a great Saints fan and has tremendous support from many important sectors. Strong leader? eh? Are you talking about the man who, last season, practically bankrupted the club? 81% of revenue being spent on a lacklustre, journey-man squad who only JUST - in the 83rd minute of the last game of the season - managed to keep us in the CCC. In wasting time after Burley went Leon Crouch dithered in a way which makes Gordon Brown look pro-active. That is not strong leadership. Leon Crouch is not a strong leader. He is the reason we are in this mess. RL , Wilde and Crouch are all as bad as each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 The only way Saints will survive is by hanging on until the economy picks up, hanging on financially and in the Championship. There seems to be little chance on that last one, which will clearly impact our financial position. The global recession will be around for at least 12 months, more likely 18 (either way, far too long to 'hang on'). With the prevailing economy, the "Lowe factor", and our current precarious position (financial and footballing), which ever way you look at it - we are well and truly fooked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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