Tyler Dibling - Official: Signs for Everton

[LGTL]

15 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Yep. Couldn’t agree more. Sadly we are a fucking basket case under SR. 

We didn’t even give him minutes in the championship ? 
We’ve treated our prospects very weirdly the last few years tbh. 

Almost like we only view them as saleable assets, isn’t it. The Sport Republic way. 

[Tommy Mulgrew]

22 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Usually these days it's a % of the profit they sell him for in the future, I believe it's based on the guaranteed fee.

If we take the fee here to be 42m, then being sold in the future for £72m would pocket us around 6-7m on the % of profit.

Do we know whether ours is on the profit?  I, too, believe it usually is.

I thought the guaranteed fee was £36m; and another £6m possible but not guaranteed.

If the sell-on applies to the profit on the guaranteed fees only, the profit is £36m and we get 20% of that, your £6-7m.  And the £6m and the £8m in my example do not get taken into account.

But do we know or merely assume that is how it will work?

Sorry to be a pain.  I could say that I was asking for a friend who likes chewy sweets and apparently lives near the sea but he might not be interested in the answer.

[terraloon]

10 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Usually these days it's a % of the profit they sell him for in the future, I believe it's based on the guaranteed fee.

If we take the fee here to be 42m, then being sold in the future for £72m would pocket us around 6-7m on the % of profit.

For most sell on agreements it will be the fee the club receives be it  initial sum( if no add ons achieved )  or the initial sum + the add ons if any paid. 

It’s difficult to generalise because each agreement will come with a different set of clauses. Back to the sell on clause , not the one to Everton but the possible one that was signed when he came back from Chelsea, that remains active for as long as Saints receive any fee.
 

So speculate that  Chelsea get say  20% of the fee of say £42m and say Saints paid £1.5 m to get him back then Chelsea would get £ 8 ish M.

Say down the line Saints get another £5m then Chelsea would get £1m

If say in the future Everton sell him for £75m and the sell on that saints negotiated was 20% then another £15 m would be paid to Saints but another £3 m would be paid to Chelsea.

Thats complicated enough but if say the Club that Everton sold him to sells him on for say £100m and they , Everton , in turn had a 20% sell on then Everton would get £15 mill, £3 million of that would be paid to Saints and potentially £ 600 k of that would be paid to Chelsea

Confused ?

[benjii]

It's whatever the contract says. If you don't know what they're contract says then you don't know.

When we signed Cedric, the contract said we had to pay Sporting something like EUR 50m if we sold him to Benfica.

 

[Dusic]

Sure others will de-cry but IMO £35m + £5m add ons for our best academy prospect in a generation is a terrible fee.

Pretty much any PL English player with potential starts with a 3 these days and Dibling is a huge talent who will not be worth less in 10 years. As soon as he signs his Everton contract his value will probably double.

Difficult situation for the club due to relegation and contract status but anyone who knows can see the ability he has and showed in ludicrous circulstances last season. That is why we are currently unserious and miles behind where we were 10 years or so ago.

Edited Sunday at 21:05 by Dusic

[Smirking_Saint]

17 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Sure others will de-cry but IMO £35m + £5m add ons for our best academy prospect in a generation is a terrible fee.

Pretty much any PL English player with potential starts with a 3 these days and Dibling is a huge talent who will not be worth less in 10 years. As soon as he signs his Everton contract his value will probably double.

Difficult situation for the club due to relegation and contract status but anyone who knows can see the ability he has and showed in ludicrous circulstances last season. That is why we are currently unserious and miles behind where we were 10 years or so ago.

I think he was pushing for the move a bit I believe

But I do agree, seems a little on the low side and Im not sure what the 5m in add ons could be

A shame to lose him… but unfortunately this is the cost of relegation

I firmly believe if we’d of stayed up that first year of SR we’d be a comfortable mid table side by now… that year was the year the prem clubs pulled away

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Smirking_Saint said:

I think he was pushing for the move a bit I believe

But I do agree, seems a little on the low side and Im not sure what the 5m in add ons could be

A shame to lose him… but unfortunately this is the cost of relegation

I firmly believe if we’d of stayed up that first year of SR we’d be a comfortable mid table side by now… that year was the year the prem clubs pulled away

Pity SR didn’t invest in adults - but carried on looking for the next Livramento. They found him in Lavia but all of their other signings that summer have been effectively write-offs at PL level and Romeu leaving ripped the spine of the team apart. Only themselves to blame.

[LGTL]

Price being reported seems to be dropping with each passing hour. £35m guaranteed is quite poor IMO. 

[tdmickey3]

Just now, LGTL said:

Price being reported seems to be dropping with each passing hour. £35m guaranteed is quite poor IMO. 

Yep, all bluster followed by the cave in…

[Smirking_Saint]

8 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Pity SR didn’t invest in adults - but carried on looking for the next Livramento. They found him in Lavia but all of their other signings that summer have been effectively write-offs at PL level and Romeu leaving ripped the spine of the team apart. Only themselves to blame.

Romeu was basically promised and let go due to his service, maybe was naive in hindsight but if Lavia wasn’t injured we’d be fine

Ive said it before and Ill say it again, the ‘potential’ buys havn’t been all bad, we’ve broken even or made huge profits on them

The issue is/was buying a load of middle of the road ‘established’ players instead of buying one or two real game changers

[ErwinK1961]

24 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Price being reported seems to be dropping with each passing hour. £35m guaranteed is quite poor IMO. 

It was literally £36m plus £6m two days ago. Their side will be making out it’s lower, our side will be saying it’s higher. No one will know the true fee.

Time will tell if it’s a good fee or not. I hope he does well, but could easily go the other way for him.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

2 hours ago, Dusic said:

Sure others will de-cry but IMO £35m + £5m add ons for our best academy prospect in a generation is a terrible fee.

Pretty much any PL English player with potential starts with a 3 these days and Dibling is a huge talent who will not be worth less in 10 years. As soon as he signs his Everton contract his value will probably double.

Difficult situation for the club due to relegation and contract status but anyone who knows can see the ability he has and showed in ludicrous circulstances last season. That is why we are currently unserious and miles behind where we were 10 years or so ago.

I'm not sure how the club could have done much different really. The alternatives were:

- Find another club to pay more (presumably there wasn't one) 

- Stand firm with Everton and hope they come back with a much bigger offer (debatable whether they would have been willing to. And if they did it would have been dangerously close to deadline day from our perspective) 

- Keep him and hope he has such a good season in the Championship that his value is still high with a year left on his contract

As you say, the timing has just been quite awkward for us with him being down to two years left on his contract and only having shown half a season of form. The interest simply hasn't been there this summer.

Edited Sunday at 23:08 by Ex Lion Tamer

[Willo of Whiteley]

£40M for a player with two goals and doesn’t want to be here? Take it and run. Good deal.

He could turn into another overrated English player very quickly. But he could also do well.

[Coastal]

3 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Yep, all bluster followed by the cave in…

What a palaver.

[Whitey Grandad]

10 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Yep, all bluster followed by the cave in…

It's called haggling.

 

[derry]

13 hours ago, LGTL said:

Price being reported seems to be dropping with each passing hour. £35m guaranteed is quite poor IMO. 

This has all come from Everton. Southampton always never disclose the fee or comment on it. It could also be a lot more and this is an ego look at us signing a bargain attempt by Everton. It wouldn't surprise me if it eventually turned out to be higher.

[Chez]

13 hours ago, LGTL said:

Price being reported seems to be dropping with each passing hour. £35m guaranteed is quite poor IMO. 

I agree. Hutchinson fee was £37.5m and he's not the prospect Dibling is. In today's market I thought we'd get at least £40m guaranteed.

[Chez]

11 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

£40M for a player with two goals and doesn’t want to be here? Take it and run. Good deal.

He could turn into another overrated English player very quickly. But he could also do well.

Savinho at City. Scored one goal last season. They want £70m. I thought he looked a good player, but I thought Dibling did too and he's two years younger. Everton are getting a good deal if you ask me.

[East Kent Saint]

As we know City cast offs are so good that an extra £30M is well worth the money 😄😄😄

[Alain Perrin]

It serves Everton well to talk the price down.  Given this seems done and dusted it does us no harm either as if it seems lower, it makes other sellers less greedy.

[westmidlandsaint]

Is the sell on fee 20% of sale or profit over £40m? 

[Football Special]

10 minutes ago, westmidlandsaint said:

Is the sell on fee 20% of sale or profit over £40m? 

It will almost certainly be on the profit, that's fairly standard on sell on % deals 

[AlexLaw76]

Done

 

[saintant]

4 minutes ago, Football Special said:

It will almost certainly be on the profit, that's fairly standard on sell on % deals 

Of course it's 20% of the profit otherwise we'd be getting an extra 20% of the £36m we've already had 🙂

[egg]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Done

 

Good business all round imo. I genuinely think that's a good club for him at this stage. He'll play, improve, and in time get a big move. 

Good luck to the lad. 

[Suhari]

Hmmm. Think he should have stayed for another season. Think the move is too soon.

And Everton? Really? No convinced about this.

But still: I wish him luck and will watch his progress with interest.

[LGTL]

7 hours ago, derry said:

This has all come from Everton. Southampton always never disclose the fee or comment on it. It could also be a lot more and this is an ego look at us signing a bargain attempt by Everton. It wouldn't surprise me if it eventually turned out to be higher.

Blackmore confirms it was £35m upfront. Poor deal IMO.

Selling Tyler Dibling and signing a 3rd choice GK all within two hours of each other is a lovely metaphor for SR being in charge of this football club. 

[for_heaven's_Saint]

2 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Hmmm. Think he should have stayed for another season. Think the move is too soon.

And Everton? Really? No convinced about this.

But still: I wish him luck and will watch his progress with interest.

Maybe right for his development but he’d have been in the last year of his contract so we would have ended up selling him for a lot less. 

[Disco Stu]

That's about as good as I expected. Livromento, who impressed me more although he was one year older, was sold for £32m + £8m addons. Given this deal is straight profit for PSR and we get a decent sell-on clause, it's a good fee in the end in my view . Let's not forget he's been well off the boil for over 6 months now. It will be interesting to see how he handles the expectation. Personally, I think we've pulled Everton's pants down here but only time will tell.

Edited 6 hours ago by Disco Stu

[St.JonB]

10 minutes ago, egg said:

Good business all round imo. I genuinely think that's a good club for him at this stage. He'll play, improve, and in time get a big move. 

Good luck to the lad. 

Good for us how?

[Chez]

Real shame to see a talent like him go. If we had stayed up things might have been different. Going to be hard seeing him blossom into a tremendous player.

[James]

1 minute ago, St.JonB said:

Good for us how?

Only good for us if SR invest it will in a number 10 and/or a winger or two. Time will tell…

[S-Clarke]

I think Everton is a good move for him. He could have ended up at a Spurs and been on the bench loads, but he's gone somewhere where the expectation is that he'll be a regular - Everton don't spend 40m+ on players who don't get first team football.

Moyes is a savvy operator and gets the best out of young players, and has great success dipping into the Champ for signings too.

All of this $$$ is ours as well, no sell ons, no instalments to re-pay - it's 100% profit for us to reinvest. We've now got a week and £40m+ to add attacking options to our team in the Championship, that's a pretty fortunate position to be sat in - we can get a hell of a lot of quality for that at this level.

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Blackmore confirms it was £35m upfront. Poor deal IMO.

Agreed. Everton have made a great choice and got a very good price.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think Everton is a good move for him. He could have ended up at a Spurs and been on the bench loads, but he's gone somewhere where the expectation is that he'll be a regular - Everton don't spend 40m+ on players who don't get first team football.

Moyes is a savvy operator and gets the best out of young players, and has great success dipping into the Champ for signings too.

All of this $$$ is ours as well, no sell ons, no instalments to re-pay - it's 100% profit for us to reinvest. We've now got a week and £40m+ to add attacking options to our team in the Championship, that's a pretty fortunate position to be sat in - we can get a hell of a lot of quality for that at this level.

If Mendes was investing it, 100%. Sadly it’s Johannes Spors and Rasmus Ankerson…

[egg]

4 minutes ago, St.JonB said:

Good for us how?

1. His contract was running down. 

2. He wanted out. 

3. We need the money to strengthen elsewhere. 

[St.JonB]

4 minutes ago, James said:

Only good for us if SR invest it will in a number 10 and/or a winger or two. Time will tell…

And you think that will happen? 

[SouSaint]

This should see us get at least 2 more cheap SR project signings. Great stuff. 

[James]

Just now, St.JonB said:

And you think that will happen? 

Not holding my breath at this point, no. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

1. His contract was running down. 

2. He wanted out. 

3. We need the money to strengthen elsewhere. 

It’s the best deal we could’ve done. No quibbles.

It’s how it’s used and who is using it as ever that’s the cause for pessimism….

Edited 6 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[trousers]

1 minute ago, egg said:

1. His contract was running down. 

2. He wanted out. 

3. We need the money to strengthen elsewhere. 

Good job we've got a top-notch recruitment team who'll obviously spend it wisely... Ah...

[egg]

Just now, trousers said:

Good job we've got a top-notch recruitment team who'll obviously spend it wisely... Ah...

Now that's the rub!! 

[bpsaint]

Not fussed he’s gone, can’t imagine Everton was his “dream” move when the transfer window opened, only worried about whether we reinvest that money or not.

Edited 6 hours ago by bpsaint

[trousers]

1 minute ago, LGTL said:

Brave of you to assume he’s an adult to be fair. 

It did occur to me to caveat that when asking the question... It is still school holiday season after all.... 

[Harry_SFC]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but the £5m add ons are all appearance related, so providing he plays well enough, we'll be seeing that money. 

[East Kent Saint]

I hope he doesn't 'crash and burn' so to speak at Everton 

[LGTL]

1 minute ago, Harry_SFC said:

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but the £5m add ons are all appearance related, so providing he plays well enough, we'll be seeing that money. 

Don’t understand why we’re fucking around with appearance add ons to be   honest. Premier League teams don’t walk away from deals over £5m, just get it all upfront. 

[Harry_SFC]

1 minute ago, LGTL said:

Don’t understand why we’re fucking around with appearance add ons to be   honest. Premier League teams don’t walk away from deals over £5m, just get it all upfront. 

Tbh it seems like we were pretty desperate to sell him in the end. 

[LGTL]

2 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Tbh it seems like we were pretty desperate to sell him in the end. 

True, reported that we went scurrying back to Everton cap in hand. 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

2 minutes ago, LGTL said:

True, reported that we went scurrying back to Everton cap in hand. 

Rumours are £42m. For someone with one year left on his contract and who cost us nothing, can't argue with that and it doesn't sound like scurrying back to me.

Big question is what we do with the money. A winger? An attacker? £10m buys a lot in the championship.