Tyler Dibling

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

12 minutes ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

Sports Republic are planning to give him an interview soon for a potential shock return.

 

Player/manager?

[Willo of Whiteley]

It’s the English tax isn’t it?

His value automatically goes up by £20/30M because he’s British, whereas in the grand scheme of things he didn’t do an awful lot for us.

A few special moments but nothing exciting.

[ally_uk]

I think in all honesty he is autistic I'm the same and I don't like changes to my environment I get massively overwhelmed. If he is I relate wholeheartedly. 

Come back to Saints Tyler 

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

6 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

I think in all honesty he is autistic I'm the same and I don't like changes to my environment I get massively overwhelmed. If he is I relate wholeheartedly. 

Come back to Saints Tyler 

Amazing he ever moved over 100 miles from Exeter to Southampton in the first place really.

Edited November 17 by TheAlehouseBrawlers

[Willo of Whiteley]

His career could easily go the way of Saido Berahino or Dele Alli.

Poorly advised or just freeze up and go to ground like a hermit.

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, ally_uk said:

I think in all honesty he is autistic I'm the same and I don't like changes to my environment I get massively overwhelmed. If he is I relate wholeheartedly. 

Come back to Saints Tyler 

I got absolutely roasted on here when I said that in the summer. It's a invasion of privacy apparently to even mention it.

[Farmer Saint]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I got absolutely roasted on here when I said that in the summer. It's a invasion of privacy apparently to even mention it.

I didn't see that, as I said exactly the same thing and wasn't roasted by any means.

[saintstowin]

I've definitely thought neurodiversity when I've seen TD in the past. No idea if that's the case. And yes, to an extent it's nobody's business. But I think it's ok to think about this, especially if the thoughts are about how it might affect someone, and what support might help. I haven't seen anyone just saying it for saying's sake.

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I didn't see that, as I said exactly the same thing and wasn't roasted by any means.

It's because I said I knew someone who confirmed what he had. I didn't say it was a negative thing.

[Eagle778]

7 minutes ago, saintstowin said:

I've definitely thought neurodiversity when I've seen TD in the past. No idea if that's the case. And yes, to an extent it's nobody's business. But I think it's ok to think about this, especially if the thoughts are about how it might affect someone, and what support might help. I haven't seen anyone just saying it for saying's sake.

It can just be social anxiety and hypersensitivity

Edited November 17 by Eagle778

[saintstowin]

He's struggling to settle, it seems. Certainly in terms of playing regularly. 

It was a real shame that his first longish run of games came in that awful season, which because it was a PL season immediately increased his value and got clubs interested. At a time when we were open to cashing in.

Finding his feet this year with us would have been much better for everyone.

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It's because I said I knew someone who confirmed what he had. I didn't say it was a negative thing.

No, and I don't think it should be, but it is clearly something that he suffers with and it impacts him. I don't think what you said is controversial at all.

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

No, and I don't think it should be, but it is clearly something that he suffers with and it impacts him. I don't think what you said is controversial at all.

Cheers. You do wonder how much leaving was his idea in the summer. Almost impossible to turn down 40 million but I do feel for the lad if hisncondition is holding him back and preventing him from performing, particularly because there isn't really any going back. Football can be quite brutal at times.

[Willo of Whiteley]

He could easily end up back at Bournemouth, that wouldn’t surprise me.

Local enough.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Cheers. You do wonder how much leaving was his idea in the summer. Almost impossible to turn down 40 million but I do feel for the lad if hisncondition is holding him back and preventing him from performing, particularly because there isn't really any going back. Football can be quite brutal at times.

So, as I said in the Summer he was all set to stay and then "something" happened, and he was off. I don't know why, but my mate said that he was told he wasn't moving, until ever so quickly he wanted out ASAP. It was literally overnight. Same with Fernandes by the way.

[hypochondriac]

24 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

So, as I said in the Summer he was all set to stay and then "something" happened, and he was off. I don't know why, but my mate said that he was told he wasn't moving, until ever so quickly he wanted out ASAP. It was literally overnight. Same with Fernandes by the way.

Wonder if Dragan wanted the cash.

[Farmer Saint]

56 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Wonder if Dragan wanted the cash.

No, it was on the players sides.

[Ken Tone]

5 hours ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

Player/manager?

Bit old for saints manager isn't he? 😉

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

No, it was on the players sides.

Why would both players want to stay and then independently be desperate to leave?

[washsaint]

18 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Why would both players want to stay and then independently be desperate to leave?

No doubt, their agents got in their ears.....

[hypochondriac]

Just now, washsaint said:

No doubt, their agents got in their ears.....

I reckon they always wanted to go and we wanted them to .

[Holmes_and_Watson]

10 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Why would both players want to stay and then independently be desperate to leave?

SR's 10 year plan got leaked internally?

Maybe they didn't fancy playing in the National League. 🙂

[Midfield_General]

17 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

So, as I said in the Summer he was all set to stay and then "something" happened, and he was off. I don't know why, but my mate said that he was told he wasn't moving, until ever so quickly he wanted out ASAP. It was literally overnight. Same with Fernandes by the way.

Hadn’t he had a new contract offer on the table for some time before the summer though? If he’d really wanted to stay, surely he would have signed it. (With the caveat that we don’t know what the actual contract offer was of course - maybe it was derisory).

I thought it looked like they offered him the contract, and then when it became apparent he wasn’t going to sign it they basically decided that they needed to sell him, which was when they started preparing the ground and trying to proactively ‘set the market’ (eg inflate the starting price in the bidding war they anticipated) with all that nonsense that they put into the press about him being a £100m player. 

Then when only Everton showed any real interest, and at a much lower price which was diluted further with add-ons etc, the club still pretty much pushed him out of the door at that point because we needed the money. Which we then wasted a big chunk of on players who haven’t been able to get in an already very mediocre team, and paying off yet another failed manager a few months later. 

Edited November 18 by Midfield_General

[SW5 SAINT]

33 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Hadn’t he had a new contract offer on the table for some time before the summer though? If he’d really wanted to stay, surely he would have signed it. (With the caveat that we don’t know what the actual contract offer was of course - maybe it was derisory).

I thought it looked like they offered him the contract, and then when it became apparent he wasn’t going to sign it they basically decided that they needed to sell him, which was when they started preparing the ground and trying to proactively ‘set the market’ (eg inflate the starting price in the bidding war they anticipated) with all that nonsense that they put into the press about him being a £100m player. 

Then when only Everton showed any real interest, and at a much lower price which was diluted further with add-ons etc, the club still pretty much pushed him out of the door at that point because we needed the money. Which we then wasted a big chunk of on players who haven’t been able to get in an already very mediocre team, and paying off yet another failed manager a few months later. 

Yes, he wouldn’t sign the contract on offer, so rather than let his contract run down he was sold. Now it would appear in the current circumstances, a very good piece of business by Saints just for a change…!

[Midfield_General]

56 minutes ago, SW5 SAINT said:

Yes, he wouldn’t sign the contract on offer, so rather than let his contract run down he was sold. 

Yeah that was my understanding too. But that's a bit different to 'he was all set to stay until something happened and he suddenly decided to leave at the last minute'.

There had been no indications at all from either side that he was ever considering signing a new deal, we were obviously going down so needed to prepare for the financial impact of relegation which meant making some big sales (from a squad where only Dibling and Fernandes could really be considered 'big'), there was no way we could countenance letting him run his contract down, and Spors did nothing but talk up his sale price from the moment he arrived in February. That seems totally out of whack with suggestions of him being 'set to stay'. 

Edited November 18 by Midfield_General

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, SW5 SAINT said:

Yes, he wouldn’t sign the contract on offer, so rather than let his contract run down he was sold. Now it would appear in the current circumstances, a very good piece of business by Saints just for a change…!

Lets be honest he was never worth 40 million. I never thought he was even in the summer. Given how much money we have wasted, that extra bit of money could prove vital. 

[saintant]

6 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

Hadn’t he had a new contract offer on the table for some time before the summer though? If he’d really wanted to stay, surely he would have signed it. (With the caveat that we don’t know what the actual contract offer was of course - maybe it was derisory).

I thought it looked like they offered him the contract, and then when it became apparent he wasn’t going to sign it they basically decided that they needed to sell him, which was when they started preparing the ground and trying to proactively ‘set the market’ (eg inflate the starting price in the bidding war they anticipated) with all that nonsense that they put into the press about him being a £100m player. 

Then when only Everton showed any real interest, and at a much lower price which was diluted further with add-ons etc, the club still pretty much pushed him out of the door at that point because we needed the money. Which we then wasted a big chunk of on players who haven’t been able to get in an already very mediocre team, and paying off yet another failed manager a few months later. 

So basically you're saying SR screwed the whole thing up for Tyler and us. Sounds about right for those shysters.

[OldNick]

Are we surprised that he is finding it tough? I for one am not. To me it was pressures from advisors who may or may not have been acting in his best interests. It is such a shame if it doesnt work and there is no way he can come back as we are not going to shell out big money and wages to get him back

[The Kraken]

The money was obviously too good to turn down. But from a footballing perspective I felt and still feel that he’d have been better off “doing a Grealish” and playing for us for a season. It was obviously the much higher risk approach but there’s a real chance that this whole episode puts his development back a good bit.

From a financial POV it was a no brainer to move. But given his previous struggles when living away, it was always going to be a big risk. Maybe a sell but with a one year loan back could have been the better option for all parties.

[qwertyell]

He ditched us twice before the age of 20. Who gives a shit if he's having a lovely time or not?

Let it go, chaps. 

[Danwulfe]

2 hours ago, qwertyell said:

He ditched us twice before the age of 20. Who gives a shit if he's having a lovely time or not?

Let it go, chaps. 

For sure, I wish him the best but he's not in a Saints shirt so I don't really care how his career goes now.

[Saint_clark]

14 hours ago, OldNick said:

Are we surprised that he is finding it tough? I for one am not. To me it was pressures from advisors who may or may not have been acting in his best interests. It is such a shame if it doesnt work and there is no way he can come back as we are not going to shell out big money and wages to get him back

I'm not at all. As much as he showed flashes of brilliance he struggled to properly make an impact at Prem level. If his advisors actually cared about his development at all and not the fastest way to make money, they'd have told him that a season or two in the championship would have been ideal at this point in his career. He could even have run down his contract and then got himself a nice fat signing bonus on a free. 

[Fabrice29]

Weird little thread this. Wildly speculating about a kids mental health and career choices. Even wilder when you consider his career choice currently sees him being part of a PL squad at the age of 19. Not convinced Moyes is right for him but give it a few months / year and I suspect he’ll be under a manager better for him and coming into his own like any normal 20 old footballer. All in a league above us, where he supposedly should have stayed.

Edited November 19 by Fabrice29

[Saint Fan CaM]

12 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Weird little thread this. Wildly speculating about a kids mental health and career choices. Even wilder when you consider his career choice currently sees him being part of a PL squad at the age of 19. Not convinced Moyes is right for him but give it a few months / year and I suspect he’ll be under a manager better for him and coming into his own like any normal 20 old footballer. All in a league above us, where he supposedly should have stayed.

It’s an interesting one - as a sportsman and public figure I’d say he’s fair game for discussion on a football forum when he didn’t achieve the standards many thought he might reach at Saints. Having said that, I detect a certain level of bitterness in some posts - “he left us therefore he must tainted in some way” - which is not particularly pleasant. Move on - he’s gone and he’s not coming back. Well until his careers nearly over that is - then SR will snap him up! 😉

[Oldandtired]

22 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Weird little thread this. Wildly speculating about a kids mental health and career choices. Even wilder when you consider his career choice currently sees him being part of a PL squad at the age of 19. Not convinced Moyes is right for him but give it a few months / year and I suspect he’ll be under a manager better for him and coming into his own like any normal 20 old footballer. All in a league above us, where he supposedly should have stayed.

Yep, if ever there was a thread proving how expert in everything football supporters are, this is it. Psychoanalysts, psychiatrists, career guidance experts, we’ve got the lot.

[Lighthouse]

His entire Everton career so far seems to 80th minute and later (often 86th) sub appearances and one start against Palace, where he was subbed off at HT when losing. He doesn’t seem to be rated there at all, you get the impression he’s just being thrown on out of embarrassment for the money he cost.

[beatlesaint]

39 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

His entire Everton career so far seems to 80th minute and later (often 86th) sub appearances and one start against Palace, where he was subbed off at HT when losing. He doesn’t seem to be rated there at all, you get the impression he’s just being thrown on out of embarrassment for the money he cost.

The move has been an absolute disaster for the lad unfortunately 

[Suhari]

3 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

The move has been an absolute disaster for the lad unfortunately 

Hope he doesn't end up with his career dwindling away.

Wonder if we'll try to loan him back in January.

 

[Baz Fl]

Grass isn’t always greener and sometimes it’s not even grass. Looks like unbelievable business with us getting that much money for a Everton bench warmer, now for moving Downs 🙏

[tdmickey3]

2 minutes ago, Baz Fl said:

Grass isn’t always greener and sometimes it’s not even grass. Looks like unbelievable business with us getting that much money for a Everton bench warmer, now for moving Downs 🙏

Who cares

[bugenhagen]

Hey, he could eventually do a Bale. It did look like he made the wrong move for a while...

I do like to see players who come through the ranks here be a success when they move on, even if they move up or down, but give the lad some time. We got our money.

[Baz Fl]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Who cares

Not me, hence the post about mugging Everton 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

The move has been an absolute disaster for the lad unfortunately 

Hope his agent and folks are enjoying spending the signing on fee.

[Willo of Whiteley]

He’ll end up at Fulham or Bournemouth or somewhere relatively close in the near future.

Close(ish) to family etc.

[Fabrice29]

3 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

The move has been an absolute disaster for the lad unfortunately 

He's part of a squad 8th in the PL at the age of 19. Don't think disaster is the word I'd use tbh.

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, bugenhagen said:

Hey, he could eventually do a Bale. It did look like he made the wrong move for a while...

I do like to see players who come through the ranks here be a success when they move on, even if they move up or down, but give the lad some time. We got our money.

I don’t think he will. bale was a scrawny left back when he left us, his physical development was insane over 3 years at Spurs. Tyler is already a big strong lad for his age he doesn’t have that to come. I think he’ll eventually come good but I expect his ceiling will Midtable premier league. Which by the way is still an incredible level, he’ll have a good career and earn more than 99% of people dream of. Good luck to the lad 

[bugenhagen]

18 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I don’t think he will. bale was a scrawny left back when he left us, his physical development was insane over 3 years at Spurs. Tyler is already a big strong lad for his age he doesn’t have that to come. I think he’ll eventually come good but I expect his ceiling will Midtable premier league. Which by the way is still an incredible level, he’ll have a good career and earn more than 99% of people dream of. Good luck to the lad 

Yeah, I agree with this - did not mean to imply he would ever be as good as/have the development of Bale