Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Curtis might have saved Martin's vegan style bacon.
Turkish Posted August 24 Posted August 24 He’ll be happy with the performance and so proud of the players for doing the right things which paid off
trousers Posted August 24 Posted August 24 3 minutes ago, whelk said: Unbeaten run in the league continues I'm saying nothing....
Lord Duckhunter Posted August 24 Posted August 24 (edited) First permanent Rangers manager in history not to have won any of their first 3 games 😂 Edited August 24 by Lord Duckhunter 4
The Kraken Posted August 24 Posted August 24 1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said: First permanent Rangers manager in history not to have won any of their first 3 games 😂 Trust the process
trousers Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Hark... The clunk of Fabrice's laptop lid as he waits another week to post his "told you so" missive... 11
Lord Duckhunter Posted August 24 Posted August 24 The pundits basically saying Rangers played well once they got desperate and abandoned Lego ball. 3
coalman Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Up to 7th after that. I won't lie. I feel asleep the 2nd half. Which is a shame as Rangers picked up 3 points for their performance.
Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 24 Posted August 24 St Mirren, across the half, looked more likely to get a second than Rangers. Loads of possession but, as the stat posted above showed, 0 shots until Curtis came on. Martin uncharacteristically throwing some forwards on unsettled St Mirren. Although the commentator said the home team were hanging on, that wasn't really the case. They just had to defend for a bit. Rangers offered practically nothing in the middle. For all Martin doing his increased tempo sign, his side plodded through that match. At the end a few of them looked puffed out. The home side had more energy. A worrying trend in Martin teams is how lightweight they are. Today was no exception. They were second best a lot of the time, offering little passes against stronger opponents keener to drive forward. As whelk said, they are unbeaten. But that performance is only going to reinforce the angry voices. The first Old Firm next week at Ibrox. We already know what Martin is going to do. But can his players make it click? Today, Fernandez will get some blame. Martin will be proud of the possession, and of Curtis, while bemoaning the lack of quick transition.
trousers Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Just now, sockeye said: Celtic at home next. Cheers for the reminder.... Note to self: add popcorn to shopping list. 1 3
Willo of Whiteley Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Brave comeback. Bet he’s full of pride and gratitude after that performance 1
trousers Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: The first Old Firm next week at Ibrox. We already know what Martin is going to do He could always do what he did whenever we played Leeds in our championship season, i.e. largely abandon 'Russball' for one match only.... 1
Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 24 Posted August 24 1 minute ago, trousers said: He could always do what he did whenever we played Leeds in our championship season, i.e. largely abandon 'Russball' for one match only.... In the first half of today's RussBall, St Mirren actually came into the Rangers half in decent numbers. Teams know they might have a chance. That should actually help Martin. But Rangers had no clue on what to do with it. St Mirren didn't allow themselves to get dragged about the park. No decent.y coached team will. No one dropped in to get the pass from defence regularly. By the time they got it over half way, St Mirren had long since dropped back too. Transition from midfield to attack was non existent all game. As expected with no central striker or creative central midfielder. They got most joy from Meghoma, and the home side soon targeted that, as they had plenty of time to react. Meghoma & Gassama on one side with Tavanier and Antman on the other. Soutter and partner at the back, as Fernandez looked dodgy today. Rothwell is a holding midfielder at best, needing runners either side, to link up with an attack that needs a fit Dessers back in it. And boy, do they need to get fitter than a Martin training regime.
Fabrice29 Posted August 24 Posted August 24 14 minutes ago, trousers said: He could always do what he did whenever we played Leeds in our championship season, i.e. largely abandon 'Russball' for one match only.... Play 5 at the back and Armstrong up front on his own. Not a bad idea. 2
coalman Posted August 24 Posted August 24 The problem is they don't have enough of the ball. Apparently. He's thrown at least 2 of his players under the bus. The important thing is it's not his fault or his tactics.
Lord Duckhunter Posted August 24 Posted August 24 (edited) He’s just thrown the sub under the buss. Edited August 24 by Lord Duckhunter
Lord Duckhunter Posted August 24 Posted August 24 😂 Chris Sutton’s got his number. Lego deflecting blame from himself. Reckons it’s the second time he’s done it already. 3
OttawaSaint Posted August 24 Posted August 24 I would have thought that the humbling his system got here would have resonated with him but there he is peddling the same snake oil at Rangers. I looked at a Rangers match thread and it's all the same comments we had. Wtf were the Rangers bosses thinking bringing in this clown?
Osvaldorama Posted August 24 Posted August 24 13 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: 😂 Chris Sutton’s got his number. Lego deflecting blame from himself. Reckons it’s the second time he’s done it already. That’s not like him! Oh wait 1
trousers Posted August 24 Posted August 24 56 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: Play 5 at the back and Armstrong up front on his own. Not a bad idea. Worrying signs indeed... that Still could be as inept as Martin...
stknowle Posted August 24 Posted August 24 3 hours ago, coalman said: One thing that's come out of his new job is I'm watching a lot more Scottish football than I used to. Which I'm not sure is a good or a bad thing. I wouldn’t worry about it too much, if his new job is the only reason you’re watching it you won’t be watching it long. 3
tdmickey3 Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 hours ago, Fabrice29 said: Play 5 at the back and Armstrong up front on his own. Not a bad idea. Nah, the V formation is the way to go, no need for a striker, that was marvellous stuff 3
danjosaint Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Just heard on talksport im sure they said it kicked off as a rangers sub refused to come on and him and rusty had words, quite a crackley reception as im in a valley in Cornwall but im sure that's what was said 1
Gloucester Saint Posted August 24 Posted August 24 9 minutes ago, danjosaint said: Just heard on talksport im sure they said it kicked off as a rangers sub refused to come on and him and rusty had words, quite a crackley reception as im in a valley in Cornwall but im sure that's what was said Being reported that he wanted to bring Hamza Igamene on but he told Martin he was injured. This after a bid for him was turned down.
Lord Duckhunter Posted August 24 Posted August 24 14 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: Being reported that he wanted to bring Hamza Igamene on but he told Martin he was injured. This after a bid for him was turned down. That’s what he said. One of the Jocko pundits said the disagreement should have remained in the dressing room, which is when Sutton reckoned he brought it up to deflect criticism of his tactics.
Turkish Posted August 24 Posted August 24 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: That’s what he said. One of the Jocko pundits said the disagreement should have remained in the dressing room, which is when Sutton reckoned he brought it up to deflect criticism of his tactics. He also said a lot of the players still need convincing of the right way and are not all doing the right things all of the time all the players fault as usual Edited August 24 by Turkish
gurru991 Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 hours ago, trousers said: Worrying signs indeed... that Still could be as inept as Martin... I honestly doubt that is possible !! 1
Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Post match comments included:- Some players are not all in, thinking of futures away from the club. They are a sometimes team, as a result. They need to be all in. At the moment, there is too much flexibility. They all have to stick to the plan. Lots of games in the same period as he'd normally have 3. Next week gives them the chance to bring the gap back to 3, and it's close again. Interesting to read about the sub above. There was a lot of delaying before Rangers brought on some subs. I was wondering what was going on. It's no different than it was with us. They are all having to relearn to fit within Martin's system. When they can't it's their fault for not being all in. They've a week to bring in Smallbone. 🙂
SaintsBarry74 Posted August 24 Posted August 24 4 hours ago, OttawaSaint said: I would have thought that the humbling his system got here would have resonated with him but there he is peddling the same snake oil at Rangers. I looked at a Rangers match thread and it's all the same comments we had. Wtf were the Rangers bosses thinking bringing in this clown? Committed to his philosophy no matter the cost. In theory you’d think it should work for Rangers in a weak Scottish league, but RM’s such a shit tactician it doesn’t. Let this be a warning to the suicideball disciples: parroting peak tiki-taka and outdated Pep-ball off YouTube clips doesn’t qualify you to manage a football team. 2
Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 24 Posted August 24 48 minutes ago, adrian lord said: Why oh why did Rangers appoint Martin? Thoughtful communicator with a passionate drive at the cutting edge of football philosophy. Oh, and a fantastic power point deck containing a system that he promises can deliver with cheap players. 1
OttawaSaint Posted August 24 Posted August 24 1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: Post match comments included:- Some players are not all in, thinking of futures away from the club. They are a sometimes team, as a result. They need to be all in. At the moment, there is too much flexibility. They all have to stick to the plan. Lots of games in the same period as he'd normally have 3. Next week gives them the chance to bring the gap back to 3, and it's close again. Interesting to read about the sub above. There was a lot of delaying before Rangers brought on some subs. I was wondering what was going on. It's no different than it was with us. They are all having to relearn to fit within Martin's system. When they can't it's their fault for not being all in. They've a week to bring in Smallbone. 🙂 Beard boy is just so incapable of learning. Incredible!
Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 24 Posted August 24 22 minutes ago, SaintsBarry74 said: In theory you’d think it should work for Rangers in a weak Scottish league, but RM’s such a shit tactician it doesn’t. It was the league I thought he'd have some trouble with. Rangers already had 65% possession with their last set up. They needed to find ways of winning from that. Martin has probably increased that possession a little, while looking even less of a threat. Ponderous, lightweight and disjointed at the moment in the league. Or at any point a team presses them, catches them out the counter, or physically dominates the key challenges. 20 mins against Brugge aside, he's done what I'd hoped for him in Europe. 1
Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 24 Posted August 24 5 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said: Beard boy is just so incapable of learning. Incredible! He consistently fails to take human failings into account, when making risk based tactics. He will forever be disappointed and forever be able to find an excuse or scapegoat as to why it didn't work.
Midfield_General Posted August 24 Posted August 24 (edited) BBC Scotland going in two-footed. 'Another day, another debacle for Martin': https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cn0275y3ey8o Edited August 24 by Midfield_General 1
HarvSFC Posted August 24 Posted August 24 "When you can feel some of the lads' energy is not all there, because they feel like their future is somewhere else, it's difficult." 8 of the Rangers starting 11 today were signed this summer. Are some of them looking for moves already? The other three being Jack Butland, goalkeeper so not much influence on a noncommittal display, John Souttar, who captained the side, so should be committed and Nicolas Raskin, who may well be thinking about elsewhere, but I doubt one player had that much of an impact on the other players lacking energy. "We're making it hard for ourselves, conceding poor goals is so disappointing," he said. "We turn the ball over a lot without having conviction in our actions. "When we have a difficult moment, the response is not good enough. We need to stick to the plan always. But I loved the intent in the second half." How many times did we hear this exact response here. His press conferences are as predictable as his playing style. 1
Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 hours ago, Midfield_General said: BBC Scotland going in two-footed. 'Another day, another debacle for Martin': https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cn0275y3ey8o Beeb Scotland likes to indulge in the same shortbread tin mentality as the Daily Record. It's an editorial by someone given a free pass to get digs in, rather than a news item. They do the same thing if Celtic falter. 1 hour ago, HarvSFC said: How many times did we hear this exact response here. His press conferences are as predictable as his playing style. They are. There was no intent in the second half until Curtis got them level. By that point Martin had actuallyy wavered. It was this new unpredictability that got to the home side. On want aways, there must be a pile of them on the bench or in the wider squad. A few left at the end of last season, but others will have been pushed down the pecking order. Anyone with single minded attacking drive will find themselves surplus too, just as Peraud and Alcaraz were with us. He wants drones for the system, but individuals to bail it out, sorry capitalise on the build up play.
Dark Munster Posted August 24 Posted August 24 4 hours ago, adrian lord said: Why oh why did Rangers appoint Martin? Because they are as stupid as Rasmus. But I'm glad they did, I assume our termination payments to him ended when he got the new job? 1
OttawaSaint Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Insert Principal Skinner meme... Are my tactics leading to the opposition scoring gift goals game after game after game? No,its Swansea, Southampton, and Rangers that are the cause... 1
gurru991 Posted August 24 Posted August 24 5 hours ago, adrian lord said: Why oh why did Rangers appoint Martin? For me personally I’m very glad that they did. There was a lot of talk about Leicester hiring him, so fortunately he signed for Rangers first which makes me very happy.. 1
chiknsmack Posted August 25 Posted August 25 6 hours ago, OttawaSaint said: Insert Principal Skinner meme... Are my tactics leading to the opposition scoring gift goals game after game after game? No,its Swansea, Southampton, and Rangers that are the cause... 6
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