Gavin Bazunu

[Oh no Mick Mills]

Bazunu was good in the first two league games and personally I didn't think he could have done much about the Stoke goals. 

It feels like certain fans are waiting to pounce and analyse every goal against him to prove their opinion on him is the right one. 

I still think he has a way to go to convince me he's good enough but as McCarthy showed last night and in the playoffs he's a decent understudy. 

Teams are successful when you have a goal threat and creativity imo. 

That should be the clubs focus.

You can get away with mediocrity at the back as proven in the 19/20 season .

McCarthy in goal , Bedders and Stephens as our main CBs and we somehow won 7 of our last 9 Premier league games and finished 11th in the table...reason...Danny Ings

Last season the same CBs as 19/20 but a much better keeper than McCarthy in Ramsdale but no goal threat....12 poxy points.  

 

 

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, LGTL said:

Agree. The way to definitely win the league is by having an awful goalkeeper. 

We should be on track to win it three times over then 🙌🙌🙌

[Midfield_General]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I didnt say they were. Gio was using his stats to "prove his point", i was using them about mine.

Baz cost us quite a few points last time we were in this league, he won us some points v Stoke but i'm struggling to think of another time he's done that. So lets see if it was a false dawn or not

*Wrexham 

/MLG

[spyinthesky]

I reckon Johannsen at Stoke is a very decent 'keeper, however I can imagine the pelters Bazanu would have had to suffer from after Johannsen dropped the cross which led to Stoke's defeat yesterday.

[pimpin4rizeal]

Weather you think we have had a good window or not this is a real pointless gamble to keep bazunu in as number one . In close games a good keeper will stop wins turning into draws or draws turning into losses . With bazunu in goal you always come away thinking should he have done better 

Majority of fans would see this as one of the most important positions to upgrade many would even prefer McCarthy it’s  really odd that the club are ploughing such faith into him the likes of edozie didn’t get these countless chances 

Edited Sunday at 09:12 by pimpin4rizeal

[Lighthouse]

17 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

I reckon Johannsen at Stoke is a very decent 'keeper, however I can imagine the pelters Bazanu would have had to suffer from after Johannsen dropped the cross which led to Stoke's defeat yesterday.

VJ conceded the most goals in the Championship two years ago and the third most last year. People can quite legitimately point to the defences in front of him but I’ll bet if you rewatched those goals (all 140+ of them) you’d find 20 or 30 that Baz would get screamed at for conceding.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

VJ conceded the most goals in the Championship two years ago and the third most last year. People can quite legitimately point to the defences in front of him but I’ll bet if you rewatched those goals (all 140+ of them) you’d find 20 or 30 that Baz would get screamed at for conceding.

Similarly, when you watch Saints' goals you'd find 20 or 30 that Baz HAS been screamed at for conceding.

[Whitey Grandad]

20 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Similarly, when you watch Saints' goals you'd find 20 or 30 that Baz HAS been screamed at for conceding.

By you perhaps. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

😂😂😂

Are we going to have this every time a better keeper makes a mistake. “See even Gordon Banks made mistakes, lay off Baz”….. The difference is, other keepers actually make saves to compensate for the occasional error. Baz’s  repertoire is routine save, error and goal. 

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

By you perhaps. 

93 pages on this thread suggests not just me.

Not sure how many of those pages are praising his antics, maybe 2 or 3?

[trousers]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Are we going to have this every time a better keeper makes a mistake. “See even Gordon Banks made mistakes, lay off Baz”…..

All good forums need their fair share of contrarians though, and we've got some of the best in the business on here...

#yeah,butitsjustadifferentopinion,innit

Edited Sunday at 12:44 by trousers

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, trousers said:

All good forums need their fair share of contrarians though, and we've got some of the best in the business on here...

#yeah,butitsjustadifferentopinion,innit

It is the contrariness and stubbornness that makes the thread irritating though.

Free kick yesterday - lots of talk about his positioning but nobody saves that, perfect free kick and reminded me of JWP’s down the other end during Project Restart.

1st goal - goalkeeping error. Has to be getting a hand or at worst fingers to that and turning it around the post. Decent strike but no there’s no real deviation on it, decent but standard save which should be made. Seeing people post that those type of shots are impossible to save clearly didn’t see McCarthy make identical saves at Norwich midweek.

[bugenhagen]

In Stills interwievs after the game he started singing from the same sheet that Martin did when we were last in the Championship and drew or lost narrowly. "Small mistakes are costing us a lot".

I wonder why...

We are going to hear this all season with Bazunu in goal...

[Miltonaggro]

2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

93 pages on this thread suggests not just me.

Not sure how many of those pages are praising his antics, maybe 2 or 3?

Perhaps the most irritating thing is it’s resurrection along with the reformation of Bazforce. Felt like a holiday when Ramsdale didn’t get the same attention. I’ve seen Bazunu in every game for us this season and he’s no better than previously - no physical or vocal presence which makes the defence jittery, rooted to his line and about as keen as Dracula on crosses, cant seem to catch a ball - and you sense the opposition know that a speculative shot might creep in. To me he’s missing too many key attributes to be a decent keeper and i dont share the view that these can or will magically appear. 

[tdmickey3]

Most people can see that Bazunu is not the level we need to aspire to if we want to make a top 2 challenge.

He won’t give us many “ great save Baz” moments

but he will give us a lot more “oh FFS” moments 

Really astounded Spors and the rest of the transfer team cant/dont/wont recognise this.

Ultimately I believe this will cost us our aim

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Most people can see that Bazunu is not the level we need to aspire to if we want to make a top 2 challenge.

He won’t give us many “ great save Baz” moments

but he will give us a lot more “oh FFS” moments 

Really astounded Spors and the rest of the transfer team cant/dont/wont recognise this.

Ultimately I believe this will cost us our aim

Well said. I can't believe I'm going to have to have another whole season of debates after almost every game about which goals Bazunu was at fault for.

[tdmickey3]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Well said. I can't believe I'm going to have to have another whole season of debates after almost every game about which goals Bazunu was at fault for.

Crazy isn’t it

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Crazy isn’t it

At the end of last season if you'd taken a poll I'd guess about 90% of saints fans if they were asked if Ramsdale was sold would we need a new first team keeper would have said yes. I guarantee Bazunu will cost us goals, games and points this year likely more than he will save.

Edited Sunday at 15:42 by hypochondriac

[tdmickey3]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

At the end of last season if you'd taken a poll I'd guess about 90% of saints fans if they were asked if Ramsdale was sold would we need a new first team keeper would have said yes. I guarantee Bazunu will cost us goals, games and points this year more than he will save.

Totally agree

[LGTL]

26 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Well said. I can't believe I'm going to have to have another whole season of debates after almost every game about which goals Bazunu was at fault for.

Spoiler: at least 50% of them. 

[Whitey Grandad]

5 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It is the contrariness and stubbornness that makes the thread irritating though.

Free kick yesterday - lots of talk about his positioning but nobody saves that, perfect free kick and reminded me of JWP’s down the other end during Project Restart.

1st goal - goalkeeping error. Has to be getting a hand or at worst fingers to that and turning it around the post. Decent strike but no there’s no real deviation on it, decent but standard save which should be made. Seeing people post that those type of shots are impossible to save clearly didn’t see McCarthy make identical saves at Norwich midweek.

Quite a bit different. 

[bpsaint]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Well said. I can't believe I'm going to have to have another whole season of debates after almost every game about which goals Bazunu was at fault for.

I’ve said the same previously. The fact we have to have the debate every match just shows he’s not good enough. Somehow the powers that be can’t see what we all do though.

[Miltonaggro]

12 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

I’ve said the same previously. The fact we have to have the debate every match just shows he’s not good enough. Somehow the powers that be can’t see what we all do though.

Somebody on the Board doesn’t seem too happy that only one of their big bucks Man City youth signings came off, possibly coupled with a view that goalkeeper is an unimportant position in the Championship - an easy league to get out of. The Bazunu project must be persevered with. It’s that kind of brown sky thinking from Sport Republic which sees us currently mid-table with one lucky win. If Still has anything about him he will be bending ears to get a competent and solid goalkeeper in on loan and play McCarthy against the inbreds.

[SaintsBarry74]

Says a lot about how low the bar is when people prefer McCarthy to Bazunu.

In this league, the only keepers worse than McCarthy are Baz and Danny Ward.

 

 

[hypochondriac]

45 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

I’ve said the same previously. The fact we have to have the debate every match just shows he’s not good enough. Somehow the powers that be can’t see what we all do though.

Interesting how few times we discussed that last year. Despite conceding a shedload, hardly any of them were Ramsdale's fault.

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Interesting how few times we discussed that last year. Despite conceding a shedload, hardly any of them were Ramsdale's fault.

Well, here's four which spring to mind for starters, people just have different standards because of the perception that Ramsdale was too good for us and we didn't deserve him. He doesn't get the same level of unjust criticism, just like Raya gets none for his absolute howler against Liverpool today.

 

 

[hypochondriac]

14 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Well, here's four which spring to mind for starters, people just have different standards because of the perception that Ramsdale was too good for us and we didn't deserve him. He doesn't get the same level of unjust criticism, just like Raya gets none for his absolute howler against Liverpool today.

 

 

Is your position that Ramsdale was responsible for as many goals conceded -certainly compared to goals saved -as Bazunu did the previous season?

[Sheaf Saint]

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Well, here's four which spring to mind for starters, people just have different standards because of the perception that Ramsdale was too good for us and we didn't deserve him. He doesn't get the same level of unjust criticism, just like Raya gets none for his absolute howler against Liverpool today.

 

 

Interesting you think they were all AR's fault.

The first one took a deflection and you can see how AR had to readjust having already started going the other way. The second one was a great finish right in the corner, and even the commentator said it gave Ramsdale no chance. I wouldn't have blamed Baz if he had conceded either of those.

On the other hand, the header from Wood looked saveable, and the disallowed one was an obvious howler.

So yeah, some errors there. But the big difference is that Ramsdale regularly made some excellent saves of the kind that Bazunu just never does. 

[bpsaint]

30 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Interesting how few times we discussed that last year. Despite conceding a shedload, hardly any of them were Ramsdale's fault.

Because unlike Baz, Ramsdale kept us either in games, or kept the score from being an embarrassment. With Baz there’s no credit in his favour to deflect from the questions about his ability.

[AlexLaw76]

If Bazunu was available today for the price we paid for him (or even half of it), I wonder if we would go for it as a club?

I doubt any fans would be thinking, yes lets have some of that

[Football Special]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

If Bazunu was available today for the price we paid for him (or even half of it), I wonder if we would go for it as a club?

I doubt any fans would be thinking, yes lets have some of that

He'd had a season at f'king Rochdale and player of the year at a poor LEAGUE ONE Pompey, was never worth the fee we paid. Should have been a £1M gamble

Don't blame Baz himself at all, it's the wallies who bought him and continue to persevere with him that deserve the criticism 

[Lighthouse]

14 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Interesting you think they were all AR's fault.

The first one took a deflection and you can see how AR had to readjust having already started going the other way. The second one was a great finish right in the corner, and even the commentator said it gave Ramsdale no chance. I wouldn't have blamed Baz if he had conceded either of those.

On the other hand, the header from Wood looked saveable, and the disallowed one was an obvious howler.

So yeah, some errors there. But the big difference is that Ramsdale regularly made some excellent saves of the kind that Bazunu just never does. 

No, you misunderstand, I'm simply applying Bazunu standards to goals AR has conceded. I think if you use AI to super impose Bazunu into that video and play it back, most of the people on this thread would be wailing about how he's being beaten time and time again by low shots from outside the area, let in a header which was nowhere near the post, then spilled an absolute howler which went straight through him.

Baz has already made an excellent save against Wrexham which earned us our only win of the season.

[Sheaf Saint]

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

No, you misunderstand, I'm simply applying Bazunu standards to goals AR has conceded. I think if you use AI to super impose Bazunu into that video and play it back, most of the people on this thread would be wailing about how he's being beaten time and time again by low shots from outside the area, let in a header which was nowhere near the post, then spilled an absolute howler which went straight through him.

Baz has already made an excellent save against Wrexham which earned us our only win of the season.

Hypo said "hardly any of them were Ramsdale's fault" and you replied with "here's four which spring to mind", which suggests that you thought all four were his fault. No matter.

You're probably right that one or two would have blamed Baz for them all, given how some people immediately blamed him for not saving that FK yesterday. But I don't think it's fair to say most would. 

And if you think that save against Wrexham, from a scuffed shot with hardly any power behind it, was 'excellent' then you must be easily pleased. Credit where it's due, he did the bare minimum to push it just round the post and that allowed us to go on and win the game. But that's literally the only time I can remember in all his time with us that he's made a match-winning save. And it's a save that any competent  keeper at this level should be making, rather than being excellent IMO. 

[Weston Super Saint]

Once a skate, always a skate.

[Football Special]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bazunu-portsmouth-goal-man-city-21883122

 

Manchester City goalkeeper Gavin Bazunu has been told by his manager to expect more mistakes after a high-profile error in Portsmouth's 4-1 defeat to Rotherham on Saturday.

[Football Special]

19 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Once a skate, always a skate.

 

[sledger]

if its on target theres a fair chance its a goal as bazuna doesnt save many at all,its not his fault hes just not very good.

[sambosa75]

8 hours ago, sledger said:

if its on target theres a fair chance its a goal as bazuna doesnt save many at all,its not his fault hes just not very good.

Correct.  May as well have a ghost in goal.

[skintsaint]

16 minutes ago, sambosa75 said:

Correct.  May as well have a ghost in goal.

CHDAJFU?

[Lord Duckhunter]

Ghost Bazunu has got a certain  ring to it. 

[die Mannyschaft]

Man U have same problem. Why cant keepers practice goal keeping instead of pushing ball out rather than catching, cover the near post and stop thinking they can pass the ball like an outfield player. 

[V.Johnathan.Wilson]

I had a look back at that first Watford goal and his defenders didn't really do him any favours. First manning goes down like a sack of spuds and secondly the most left sided defender doesn't even bother to get tighter to the Watford winger (Ba) and at the very least force him to go near post and make things more predictable for Baz.