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44 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Could Fernandes be this years KWP? A player with absolutely no place in the Championship, but stuck around and was predictably ridiculous at that level.

I'll continue to expect him to leave though, just so my expectations are in check!

Bro will play like he’s on cheat mode in the championship 

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53 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

He’ll be this years JWP. Head down and professional, but will end up going later in the window when clubs work their way down their list of targets and stump up the cash we want.

This, sadly, is probably closest to the truth 😕

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Playing catch up after a day of no signal:

Fernandes - nice interview, means not much in the grand scheme of things but promising that he’ll be here next season.

Downes - see above minus interview piece (Insta post)

Boving - never heard of him

Delap going to Chelsea, decent move for him, well deserved

Ings following Will Still on Instagram, probably nothing in it, I used to follow Jessica Alba and nothing came of it

Alcaraz to Everton permanently, some fans annoyed on social media, have some perspective - he was a flair player that didn’t do much in the Prem and was a bit-part player at most in his four months of Championship football, move on

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Could Fernandes be this years KWP? A player with absolutely no place in the Championship, but stuck around and was predictably ridiculous at that level.

I'll continue to expect him to leave though, just so my expectations are in check!

He could.  I remember the astonishment as each week of the transfer window 12 months ago passed and KWP was still here.    Fernandes staying would be equally miraculous; it would give the whole Club a huge boost.  If he is to be sold, I hope the Club stay firm with a valuation of at least 40 million pounds.   Even at that price, the buying Club would be well rewarded.

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11 minutes ago, austsaint said:

He could.  I remember the astonishment as each week of the transfer window 12 months ago passed and KWP was still here.    Fernandes staying would be equally miraculous; it would give the whole Club a huge boost.  If he is to be sold, I hope the Club stay firm with a valuation of at least 40 million pounds.   Even at that price, the buying Club would be well rewarded.

Agreed. Fernandes is a great soccerballist and maybe we can trade him for around 60 million dollars to a Premier league franchise. Has he played for Brazil yet? I mean he was born in Europe I believe but as the Portugal people came from Brazil maybe he could play for them in the copa America World soccerball trophy? 

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13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Agreed. Fernandes is a great soccerballist and maybe we can trade him for around 60 million dollars to a Premier league franchise. Has he played for Brazil yet? I mean he was born in Europe I believe but as the Portugal people came from Brazil maybe he could play for them in the copa America World soccerball trophy? 

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59 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Playing catch up after a day of no signal:

Fernandes - nice interview, means not much in the grand scheme of things but promising that he’ll be here next season.

Downes - see above minus interview piece (Insta post)

Boving - never heard of him

Delap going to Chelsea, decent move for him, well deserved

Ings following Will Still on Instagram, probably nothing in it, I used to follow Jessica Alba and nothing came of it

Alcaraz to Everton permanently, some fans annoyed on social media, have some perspective - he was a flair player that didn’t do much in the Prem and was a bit-part player at most in his four months of Championship football, move on

I didn't realise Delap had a 30 million release clause. Great news for us as it won't make Ipswich much. He'd be worth at least double that without it. 

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Best case scenario is we sell Dibling for a big ish fee and we don't really need to sell Fernandes. If he isn't actively pushing for a move (like KWP didn't) and no one offers us ridiculous money then I guess I could see him staying. 

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8 hours ago, Turkish said:

Agreed. Fernandes is a great soccerballist and maybe we can trade him for around 60 million dollars to a Premier league franchise. Has he played for Brazil yet? I mean he was born in Europe I believe but as the Portugal people came from Brazil maybe he could play for them in the copa America World soccerball trophy? 

Oh my what comedy genius. I look forward to the next instalment. These types of comedy post just never get old.

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Reims lost their relegation play off and dropped down to ligue 2. Perhaps Billy Stiils might have an eye on a couple of his former players who may now be available for our level.

He'll certainly remember their keeper Yehvann Diouf (25), who set the record for the most saves in a ligue 1 game (14) when Reims won 2-0 at Lens recently. 

Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, trousers said:

If Fernandes stays I will personally volunteer to have his babies. Can't say fairer than that.

He will be off like a shot now, thanks very much 😳

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26 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

Oh my what comedy genius. I look forward to the next instalment. These types of comedy post just never get old.

Thanks Bro 👊 

Posted
8 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I didn't realise Delap had a 30 million release clause. Great news for us as it won't make Ipswich much. He'd be worth at least double that without it. 

Man City had 30% clause as well so Ipswich get even less.

 

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8 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I didn't realise Delap had a 30 million release clause. Great news for us as it won't make Ipswich much. He'd be worth at least double that without it. 

Still possible if multiple teams want him it will push up the price if they bid against each other? 

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Just now, Football Special said:

Still possible if multiple teams want him it will push up the price if they bid against each other? 

They would all simply bid £30m as Ipswich must accept. Then it's the players choice.

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Just now, Disco Stu said:

They would all simply bid £30m as Ipswich must accept. Then it's the players choice.

Why is it we have this discussion every time a player has a release clause? 😂

the release clause is £30m so Ipswich have to sell for £30m to anyone who matches it. Like you say then it’s down to the player to chose where he wants to go  

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4 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Still possible if multiple teams want him it will push up the price if they bid against each other? 

No. There is no need for any club to offer more than the release clause. Meeting the release clause is automatically accepted bid. It then comes down to Delap picking where to go.

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30 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Man City had 30% clause as well so Ipswich get even less.

 

So in the eyes of psr they make nothing? Great news. If we were going down anyway, almost doesn't matter that we lost out on him last year. 

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14 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

So in the eyes of psr they make nothing? Great news. If we were going down anyway, almost doesn't matter that we lost out on him last year. 

If all of the above is true then I’d have to say Ipswich got their pants pulled down there when Delap performed so well. Could end up with small profit/break even on THB and did nowhere near as well as Delap. On that deal, wasn’t the one that got away.

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51 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Is it safe to say he is quicker than Vestergaard?

 

Just a very quick one, remember the last rapid CB, who was not a great tackler, we bought..? 

 

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12 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

If all of the above is true then I’d have to say Ipswich got their pants pulled down there when Delap performed so well. Could end up with small profit/break even on THB and did nowhere near as well as Delap. On that deal, wasn’t the one that got away.

Do we know whether or not THB has a release clause in his contract…..?

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29 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

So in the eyes of psr they make nothing? Great news. If we were going down anyway, almost doesn't matter that we lost out on him last year. 

Not really, purchases are amortised over the length of the contract, irrespective of if the player is sold (I think). Sales are put straight on the balance sheet as an income. Also, it'll be interesting to see if he's sold in this financial year, as if they do it will be seen as a PSR profit, even selling for a loss (which effectively they will be with the 30% sell on).

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Posted
12 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Could Fernandes be this years KWP? A player with absolutely no place in the Championship, but stuck around and was predictably ridiculous at that level.

I'll continue to expect him to leave though, just so my expectations are in check!

He will leave because there is clearly a PL market for him and he has shown that he can play 90mins every week in the PL.

Combined with a wage cut there isn't really any benefit to him of a season in the Championship.

He seems like a level headed, peofessional lad and is probably grateful to Saints for giving him a PL platform, so not suprised he acts like a pro in an interview, but it is fairly meaningless - especially when talking to club media.

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18 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

If all of the above is true then I’d have to say Ipswich got their pants pulled down there when Delap performed so well. Could end up with small profit/break even on THB and did nowhere near as well as Delap. On that deal, wasn’t the one that got away.

Maybe though the counter is they got a top quality striker for a year without losing out. If they stayed up he would have been a massive part of it and I think the clause only kicked in because they went down.

I would have loved him here and I think we would have looked miles better with him up top. 

 

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Ipswich must be flirting with FFP difficulty?  Not seen their accounts for the last season but I think they made a net loss the last 2 seasons, and seling Delap for v little profit isnt going to balance the books?  Not sure what other sellable assets they have really - Davis, but he cant defend.  Hutchinso to Leeds maybe, but he has proven he cant play in the prem this year.  Would be interesting to see what their P&L looks like.

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5 minutes ago, chownie20 said:

Ipswich must be flirting with FFP difficulty?  Not seen their accounts for the last season but I think they made a net loss the last 2 seasons, and seling Delap for v little profit isnt going to balance the books?  Not sure what other sellable assets they have really - Davis, but he cant defend.  Hutchinso to Leeds maybe, but he has proven he cant play in the prem this year.  Would be interesting to see what their P&L looks like.

I don't know about the finances, but they have a brilliant squad for the championship. I'll be amazed if they don't comfortably walk it next season. 

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Not seen it mentioned on here yet - but we were linked yesterday with Rudoni at Coventry. Excellent player and another who's very good in the air. Looked a constant threat towards the end of the season at arriving late in the box to get on the end of crosses and bagged a few goals as a result. Probably would only happen if Fernandes does leave to fill the attacking midfielder void but you can see the profile of player we're looking at has flipped from being much less technical and good in possession to a focus on tall, athletic types. Long may that continue as we've been missing that in abundance for a long time. 

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1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

If all of the above is true then I’d have to say Ipswich got their pants pulled down there when Delap performed so well. Could end up with small profit/break even on THB and did nowhere near as well as Delap. On that deal, wasn’t the one that got away.

Didn’t we have a similar situation with Livramento? 
 

The concept of taking young players who aren’t going to get the chance at City/Chelsea was a good one and did open up a rich seam to tap from. But you have to wonder how advantageous it is, with sell on % , especially if the potential sale is capped by a release clause. 

Seems these moves are becoming glorified loans. 

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1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

@Matthew Le God do you know the answer to this?

I can’t recall seeing one, possible City has a % clause on the profit of any sale and a possibly a buyback.

safe to say neither of these will be being used. 

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6 minutes ago, Badger said:

Didn’t we have a similar situation with Livramento? 
 

The concept of taking young players who aren’t going to get the chance at City/Chelsea was a good one and did open up a rich seam to tap from. But you have to wonder how advantageous it is, with sell on % , especially if the potential sale is capped by a release clause. 

Seems these moves are becoming glorified loans. 

Agreed broadly although the fee was much lower to Chelsea so it was a net profit of around £20m even after a chunk sell on to Chelsea. The Delap margin by contrast is much more slender and if it’s 30% overall not the just the profit it’s break-even.

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13 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

Not seen it mentioned on here yet - but we were linked yesterday with Rudoni at Coventry. Excellent player and another who's very good in the air. Looked a constant threat towards the end of the season at arriving late in the box to get on the end of crosses and bagged a few goals as a result. Probably would only happen if Fernandes does leave to fill the attacking midfielder void but you can see the profile of player we're looking at has flipped from being much less technical and good in possession to a focus on tall, athletic types. Long may that continue as we've been missing that in abundance for a long time. 

Sounds like he's got quite a bit of premier league interest.  Only time I saw him was the two play off games and he was OK but I wasn't massively impressed.  Small sample size mind.

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35 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

Not seen it mentioned on here yet - but we were linked yesterday with Rudoni at Coventry. Excellent player and another who's very good in the air. Looked a constant threat towards the end of the season at arriving late in the box to get on the end of crosses and bagged a few goals as a result. Probably would only happen if Fernandes does leave to fill the attacking midfielder void but you can see the profile of player we're looking at has flipped from being much less technical and good in possession to a focus on tall, athletic types. Long may that continue as we've been missing that in abundance for a long time. 

Agree wholeheartedly re physical attributes. Rudoni would be absolutely excellent. 

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27 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Agreed broadly although the fee was much lower to Chelsea so it was a net profit of around £20m even after a chunk sell on to Chelsea. The Delap margin by contrast is much more slender and if it’s 30% overall not the just the profit it’s break-even.

Fair enough on Livramento I didn’t think our share was that high. 

It seems Ipswich are stuffed by the release clause as much as anything. Player power etc. But if the City % is on the fee rather than the profit then they’ve really ballsed up.

On subject of release clauses, it seems that Rohl was badly advised on his. 

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8 minutes ago, benali-shorts said:

Agree wholeheartedly re physical attributes. Rudoni would be absolutely excellent. 

Read about him after someone else mentioned him a while back. Articles linking him with Newcastle c£15m.

Would he join us from Coventry? Apart from £ perhaps.  I fear that playing for Frank might appeal to him more.

Worth remembering Coventry signed him from Huddersfield. There are decent players out there if you can uncover them. 

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14 hours ago, austsaint said:

He could.  I remember the astonishment as each week of the transfer window 12 months ago passed and KWP was still here.    Fernandes staying would be equally miraculous; it would give the whole Club a huge boost.  If he is to be sold, I hope the Club stay firm with a valuation of at least 40 million pounds.   Even at that price, the buying Club would be well rewarded.

Would love if he did, but I can't see it happening, he showed his quality despite how completely shit we were. I imagine we'll ask for 50-60mill and it'll drag on like with the JWP situation and he'll end up going for 40-50 mill. Bet his former manager at Man U would absolutely love to have someone in his squad who can actually play the system he wants, only question is if they can afford it.

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2 hours ago, Badger said:

Fair enough on Livramento I didn’t think our share was that high. 

It seems Ipswich are stuffed by the release clause as much as anything. Player power etc. But if the City % is on the fee rather than the profit then they’ve really ballsed up.

 

Hope not. Bloody big clubs rinsing smaller clubs really isn't on. It's getting beyond a joke. They clean up all the talent, then sell any they don't fancy for exorbitant fees and now they seem to be ensuring they make even more should a smaller club, that takes all the risk, buy a player that works out. They have got things sewn up.    

Posted
5 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Would love if he did, but I can't see it happening, he showed his quality despite how completely shit we were. I imagine we'll ask for 50-60mill and it'll drag on like with the JWP situation and he'll end up going for 40-50 mill. Bet his former manager at Man U would absolutely love to have someone in his squad who can actually play the system he wants, only question is if they can afford it.

Delap offered them a cheap new striker. The options left to them now and going to cost a lot more. Does that mean they will consider selling Bruno Fernandes, with Mateus Fernandes a possible replacement?

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3 hours ago, Dman said:

I don't know about the finances, but they have a brilliant squad for the championship. I'll be amazed if they don't comfortably walk it next season. 

Their CM consists of Morsy (age 67) and  Jack Taylor?

Strikers are Hirst and Al Hammiry.

Aside from a few flair players and a solid defence I am not sure they are in a great position

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1 minute ago, chownie20 said:

Their CM consists of Morsy (age 67) and  Jack Taylor?

Strikers are Hirst and Al Hammiry.

Aside from a few flair players and a solid defence I am not sure they are in a great position

So basically, they'll score goals and have a solid defence to stop others from scoring goals. Got you.

 

 

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47 minutes ago, chownie20 said:

Their CM consists of Morsy (age 67) and Jack Taylor?

Strikers are Hirst and Al Hammiry.

Aside from a few flair players and a solid defence I am not sure they are in a great position

Cajuste is another of their CMs. I think he plays for the Swedish national team.

 

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