Who do we want next as Saints manager?

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Don’t see why people are trying to turn on rusk .. if it’s not obvious that we are absolutely dreadfull by now i don’t know what to say .. but fans still making the next poor bastard to manage us the villain 

Because he persists with a ridiculous formation and makes shit substitutions.

[AlexLaw76]

9 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Don’t see why people are trying to turn on rusk .. if it’s not obvious that we are absolutely dreadfull by now i don’t know what to say .. but fans still making the next poor bastard to manage us the villain 

 Cause he is playing a shit formation and making shit substitutes

all While carefully not ruling himself out of contention for the job

 

[Mboto Gorge]

Rusk’s “tactics” seem to be limited solely to keeping the score down in every game. The  lack of ambition in games is ridiculous. Is this what it’s come to? Yeah we are a poor side but so are Ipswich , and they have a go every game and have a lot of shots, and show intent. We show absolutely fuck all intent game after game and that’s most excruciating thing

[skintsaint]

Eustace did a good job at Blackburn and then turned around Derby in 3 months. Wonder if the recruitment team are looking at him.

[E_H_Saints]

As I've said previously, I think we need someone who wants a clean slate, full of ideas and most importantly wants to be bigger than Southampton.  Normally, I'd be worried if they want to use Southampton as a stepping stone but on this occasion I'll take it because if we are a stepping stone  he has to be successful.  I still stand by my idea of Still as he is the only stand out candidate who wants to be bigger and is an unknown.

[pimpin4rizeal]

2 hours ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Rusk’s “tactics” seem to be limited solely to keeping the score down in every game. The  lack of ambition in games is ridiculous. Is this what it’s come to? Yeah we are a poor side but so are Ipswich , and they have a go every game and have a lot of shots, and show intent. We show absolutely fuck all intent game after game and that’s most excruciating thing

This season is a write off and has been for long time .it’s not even worth getting angry about anymore ..  imo at least rusk gets it that setting up defensive stops us getting battered every week and keeps us in games more . .. earlier on in the season I Blamed bad management too but it’s becoming clear that no one coukd get a tune out of them this season 

[Toussaint]

3 hours ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Rusk’s “tactics” seem to be limited solely to keeping the score down in every game. The  lack of ambition in games is ridiculous. Is this what it’s come to? Yeah we are a poor side but so are Ipswich , and they have a go every game and have a lot of shots, and show intent. We show absolutely fuck all intent game after game and that’s most excruciating thing

I don’t think keeping the score down is a bad tactic. Look at the drubbings we have had this season, and we don’t have the tools to “show ambition” that just leads to bigger drubbings. I am disappointed in yesterday though I honestly went up there expecting to see a win. But generally, playing against anyone above the bottom three I think there is little choice. I also think Leicester and Ipswich, Leicester in particular, have more good players than we do. We have not got a single player who can affect and influence a game, take it by the scruff of the neck and drive us forward, with the possible exception of Fernandes.
 

It’s been a terrible season, but it’s not on Rusk. 

[miserableoldgit]

1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

This season is a write off and has been for long time .it’s not even worth getting angry about anymore ..  imo at least rusk gets it that setting up defensive stops us getting battered every week and keeps us in games more . .. earlier on in the season I Blamed bad management too but it’s becoming clear that no one coukd get a tune out of them this season 

But it is not stopping us losing. With the freak exception of Fulham, once the opposition scores we know that we are going to lose as we are unable to offer any offensive threat..... 25 goals for.....82 against.

[Saint Fan CaM]

7 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

I don’t think keeping the score down is a bad tactic. Look at the drubbings we have had this season, and we don’t have the tools to “show ambition” that just leads to bigger drubbings. I am disappointed in yesterday though I honestly went up there expecting to see a win. But generally, playing against anyone above the bottom three I think there is little choice. I also think Leicester and Ipswich, Leicester in particular, have more good players than we do. We have not got a single player who can affect and influence a game, take it by the scruff of the neck and drive us forward, with the possible exception of Fernandes.
 

It’s been a terrible season, but it’s not on Rusk. 

It may not be Rusks fault that we’re so shit, but that’s not to say he’s the answer. On yesterdays evidence he’s not.

[Saint Fan CaM]

The thing I fear the most is that SFC is embedded with the SR way of playing football - possession based or whatever you want to call it. The past rationale to this is clear in my mind…

SR - We want promotion back to the Prem, but we can’t afford expensive players or any that have high wage demands that will exceed our ceiling. We need a manager and coaching staff who understand and can utilise a possession based system that keeps the ball at all costs - if they don’t have the ball they can’t hurt us. Step up Martin who installs such a system across the entire club (in tow with the entire Group).

I’m not seeing or hearing anything so far that indicates to me that the above rationale has been abandoned. Is Spors suggesting a new strategy or direction?

[Mboto Gorge]

21 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

But it is not stopping us losing. With the freak exception of Fulham, once the opposition scores we know that we are going to lose as we are unable to offer any offensive threat..... 25 goals for.....82 against.

And this is my point. We lose anyway, I’m not saying go gung ho but surely there’s a balance whereby we can set up to sit deep and counter a little bit surely and have our own attacking plan at certain opportunities during games, instead of just meekly hanging on for dear life every game and accepting narrow defeats when we inevitably concede, with no idea of how we’re going to score ourselves. It’s a total waste of time and terrible viewing. If we were capable defensively of getting 0-0 draws I’d be all for it -  but we’re not. The results to date prove that 

Let’s be honest at half time how many of us expected the score to finish 2-0 or 3-0, or more. Probably the vast majority. That tells you everything you need to know about our lack of attacking intent

Edited 23 hours ago by Mboto Gorge

[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

The thing I fear the most is that SFC is embedded with the SR way of playing football - possession based or whatever you want to call it. The past rationale to this is clear in my mind…

SR - We want promotion back to the Prem, but we can’t afford expensive players or any that have high wage demands that will exceed our ceiling. We need a manager and coaching staff who understand and can utilise a possession based system that keeps the ball at all costs - if they don’t have the ball they can’t hurt us. Step up Martin who installs such a system across the entire club (in tow with the entire Group).

I’m not seeing or hearing anything so far that indicates to me that the above rationale has been abandoned. Is Spors suggesting a new strategy or direction?

Johannes Spors comes from wanting a Red Bull style of football. Numerous interviews from his past stating that, plus some in his time at Saints. He won't be picking a manager that gets them to play like Martin did.

[Dusic]

Rohl clearly confident he is leaving Sheff Wed for someone and wants it done ASAP.

Sure it will become clear where his destination is soon enough.

If we wanted him when RM went I don't see why we would have changed our minds on that since.

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Rohl clearly confident he is leaving Sheff Wed for someone and wants it done ASAP.

Sure it will become clear where his destination is soon enough.

If we wanted him when RM went I don't see why we would have changed our minds on that since.

We now have someone different in charge of appointing the manager to when Martin left. Although that new person has worked with Rohl before and favours Rohl's style of play on managers. 

[Nordic Saint]

Vasco Matos, especially if we could also attract José Fonte to be his assistant,  or Kjetil Knutsen. 

Edited 23 hours ago by Nordic Saint

[Toussaint]

3 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

It may not be Rusks fault that we’re so shit, but that’s not to say he’s the answer. On yesterdays evidence he’s not.

I wasn’t suggesting he was the answer to anything, I just think he’s in a no win situation and doesn’t deserve the pelters he is getting. 

[Wade Garrett]

46 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

I wasn’t suggesting he was the answer to anything, I just think he’s in a no win situation and doesn’t deserve the pelters he is getting. 

I don’t think anyone expects us to win games.  But playing a shit formation and subbing Fernandes makes the pelters he’s getting fully deserved.

[Appy]

3 hours ago, Dusic said:

Rohl clearly confident he is leaving Sheff Wed for someone and wants it done ASAP.

Sure it will become clear where his destination is soon enough.

If we wanted him when RM went I don't see why we would have changed our minds on that since.

Yep, if he’s our first choice and has been for a while, no excuse we don’t get him really. Whoever our first choice is, we’ve had long enough to get him. 

[east-stand-nic]

John Eustace. Have a look at what he has down with Derby and then look at what their fans say about him. Then remember he had Blackburn and Brum in play off spots with no funding. 

Derby fans are saying he came in and totally got them all fighting and playing for the badge. Just what we need. He clearly has something right with him and keeps on succeeding at each place he goes. 

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[The Kraken]

11 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

John Eustace. Have a look at what he has down with Derby and then look at what their fans say about him. Then remember he had Blackburn and Brum in play off spots with no funding. 

Derby fans are saying he came in and totally got them all fighting and playing for the badge. Just what we need. He clearly has something right with him and keeps on succeeding at each place he goes. 

No doubt he’s a good manager, but he’s only just joined Derby after leaving Blackburn because he saw Derby as a better long term prospect. Money talks, but he’s on a contract until 2028 and getting him out of that could be very tricky unless his heart was set on it.

[Whitey Grandad]

5 hours ago, Toussaint said:

I don’t think keeping the score down is a bad tactic. Look at the drubbings we have had this season, and we don’t have the tools to “show ambition” that just leads to bigger drubbings. I am disappointed in yesterday though I honestly went up there expecting to see a win. But generally, playing against anyone above the bottom three I think there is little choice. I also think Leicester and Ipswich, Leicester in particular, have more good players than we do. We have not got a single player who can affect and influence a game, take it by the scruff of the neck and drive us forward, with the possible exception of Fernandes.
 

It’s been a terrible season, but it’s not on Rusk. 

Every team wants to keep the score down but that is not achieved by packing your own penalty area and vacating the rest of the pitch. “Attack is the best form of defence” applies to football as much as to anything.

”Showing ambition“ doesn’t mean that we have to take risks. We just need to give the opposition something to think about.

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Toussaint said:

I wasn’t suggesting he was the answer to anything, I just think he’s in a no win situation and doesn’t deserve the pelters he is getting. 

Oh yes he does. What is he trying to achieve with his set ups? I ask this after every games that he takes charge of and I’m no closer to an answer. What is he trying to achieve?

He took over on a hiding to nothing. Nobody expected anything but we just wanted to give it a go. To go down with all guns blazing.

[Master Bates]

Rohl back in Germany 

 

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/danny-rohl-immediate-plans-sheffield-wednesday-5112338

Edited 17 hours ago by Master Bates

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Oh yes he does. What is he trying to achieve with his set ups? I ask this after every games that he takes charge of and I’m no closer to an answer. What is he trying to achieve?

He took over on a hiding to nothing. Nobody expected anything but we just wanted to give it a go. To go down with all guns blazing.

What he is trying to achieve, in my belief, is avoiding 5 - 0 hammerings, or worse. Whether that’s his preferred way of playing, he is under instruction or feels that’s the best he can do with the rabble he has at his disposal, I do not know. 

[Toussaint]

2 hours ago, Appy said:

Yep, if he’s our first choice and has been for a while, no excuse we don’t get him really. Whoever our first choice is, we’ve had long enough to get him. 

Unless he fancies his chances are better somewhere else.

[Harry_SFC]

2 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

What he is trying to achieve, in my belief, is avoiding 5 - 0 hammerings, or worse. Whether that’s his preferred way of playing, he is under instruction or feels that’s the best he can do with the rabble he has at his disposal, I do not know. 

To be fair I've kinda supported this set up against the better sides but away at dog shit Leicester you've got to be a bit more imaginative. Rusk had a shocker yesterday. 

[aintforever]

3 hours ago, Toussaint said:

I wasn’t suggesting he was the answer to anything, I just think he’s in a no win situation and doesn’t deserve the pelters he is getting. 

I dunno, taking off Fernandes who is probably our only outfield Prem quality player and replacing him with Smallbone deserves criticism.

 

[The Kraken]

26 minutes ago, Master Bates said:

Rohl back in Germany 

 

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/danny-rohl-immediate-plans-sheffield-wednesday-5112338

I’ve got a feeling Rohl has a Bundesliga gig lined up for next season. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, The Kraken said:

I’ve got a feeling Rohl has a Bundesliga gig lined up for next season. 

I agree. More so when you read his kids are over there.

Steven Gerrard it is then!

[The Kraken]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

I agree. More so when you read his kids are over there.

Steven Gerrard it is then!

He also said something the other day along the lines of “if a team from a higher level comes in for a player or the manager”, kind of seemed like he’s sitting on a job switch. Don’t think his stock is high enough for a PL gig so Germany would make some sense.

[skintsaint]

36 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I’ve got a feeling Rohl has a Bundesliga gig lined up for next season. 

Wolfsburg job up for grabs.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

50 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Wolfsburg job up for grabs.

Hopefully, they'll bring Wolfgang Wolf back.

[Saint Neil]

2 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Hopefully, they'll bring Wolfgang Wolf back.

And Ricky van Wolfswinkel

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, Saint Neil said:

And Ricky van Wolfswinkel

Van Dog’s Dick, as a Norwich-supporting friend used to call him.

[Toussaint]

4 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

To be fair I've kinda supported this set up against the better sides but away at dog shit Leicester you've got to be a bit more imaginative. Rusk had a shocker yesterday. 

100%, I was one of the unfortunates to spend my hard earned be there to see it. 

[Dark Munster]

2 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Hopefully, they'll bring Wolfgang Wolf back.

I looked it up. Yes, he indeed used to be a coach at Wolfsburg!

[Toussaint]

4 hours ago, aintforever said:

I dunno, taking off Fernandes who is probably our only outfield Prem quality player and replacing him with Smallbone deserves criticism.

 

He did explain the reason for taking Fernandes off, whether it was actually justified on the day I don’t know, I didn’t notice Fernandes flagging but I guess the data they get tells a different story.  As for Smallbone coming in, therein lies a massive problem, we have a poor first eleven, outside that the squad is pretty abysmal, so, by definition, all substitutions are going to be bad. But, the counter to this is do the substitutions actually need to be made, other than injury replacements, but that seems to be the trend throughout football. Roll on next season. 

[Harry_SFC]

Ralph officially sacked by Wolfsburg. I'll be pretty shocked if Rohl doesn't end up at either Leipzig or Wolfsburg. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Harry_SFC

[Badger]

11 hours ago, Dusic said:

Rohl clearly confident he is leaving Sheff Wed for someone and wants it done ASAP.

Sure it will become clear where his destination is soon enough.

If we wanted him when RM went I don't see why we would have changed our minds on that since.

 

7 hours ago, Appy said:

Yep, if he’s our first choice and has been for a while, no excuse we don’t get him really. Whoever our first choice is, we’ve had long enough to get him. 

You’d have hoped that if he was our preferred choice, ( and if reports that he was keen on the role were correct ) then we might have agreement in place (informally) to action it swiftly now Weds season is over. 
 

Agree that we’ve had months to sort this, I don’t believe Juric was anything other than a stopgap. Hoping that the new broom has been busy putting this in place, but on past performances at SFC, no surprise if we announce the search starts after the last ball is kicked. 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

15 minutes ago, Badger said:

 

You’d have hoped that if he was our preferred choice, ( and if reports that he was keen on the role were correct ) then we might have agreement in place (informally) to action it swiftly now Weds season is over. 
 

Agree that we’ve had months to sort this, I don’t believe Juric was anything other than a stopgap. Hoping that the new broom has been busy putting this in place, but on past performances at SFC, no surprise if we announce the search starts after the last ball is kicked. 

Starting to get that feeling that he might have been our preferred choice but we are not necessarily his.

Looking at Oddschecker this evening, there are some pretty ropey names linked to the job and Gerrard is worryingly low odds!

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

5 hours ago, The Kraken said:

I’ve got a feeling Rohl has a Bundesliga gig lined up for next season. 

There's no way SportsRepublic were ever going for Rohl.

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

45 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Ralph officially sacked by Wolfsburg. I'll be pretty shocked if Rohl doesn't end up at either Leipzig or Wolfsburg. 

They did what we should have done.

We sacked him about a year too late.

Nothing against the guy but that last 7/8 months was fucking grim, he was completely done here.

[Tommy Mulgrew]

The return of the rabbit man?  If Moyes can do it, so can Ralph.

https://thescore.com/deu_fed/news/3280583

[Badger]

19 minutes ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

There's no way SportsRepublic were ever going for Rohl.

Why do you say that ? 

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

11 minutes ago, Badger said:

Why do you say that ? 

It's the far too sensible option for them.

[Appy]

33 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

The return of the rabbit man?  If Moyes can do it, so can Ralph.

https://thescore.com/deu_fed/news/3280583

Fucking hell no, I hate the obsession with trying to bring old players and managers back. 

[Rohl With It]

6 hours ago, The Kraken said:

I’ve got a feeling Rohl has a Bundesliga gig lined up for next season. 

His pre match press conference on Friday heavily mentioned missing his Wife and young family who are still in Germany.

People forget the human aspect in the game.  If he leaves personally Hooe it is to a German club.

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

Ralph officially sacked by Wolfsburg. I'll be pretty shocked if Rohl doesn't end up at either Leipzig or Wolfsburg. 

Maybe he can now do that "I'll never have another football job after Southampton because I'm retiring forever" thing he said before.

[Dusic]

If Rohl is to end up back in Germany then I am sure Spors will also have known that for a while too.

[Convict Colony]

14 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I agree. More so when you read his kids are over there.

Steven Gerrard it is then!

We need Rooney