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Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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49 minutes ago, DT said:

Oh great. Another experiment. All to massage Rasmus’ ego. Yay! He does PowerPoints. He will be great! Fuck experience or even being in a better league. Honestly, such muppets running our club

Are we at the stage now where we’re going to blame RA for every wrong decision and someone else for the right ones ?

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Dusic

Dusic

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10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

For me I think it's important to have a commanding man in charge for a team like saints who knows the league and what is required to get out of it. I look at the good job that Martin did last year and think his prior experience really helped when having to mould so many new faces together. 

I think that is just the skillset needed by a good manager to be fair and is more about their personality, aura, people skills etc than specific experience of a certain league.

Martin as you say aced that, as did Koeman years earlier in his first job in England.

Its going to be a key factor and Im sure Spors knows more than anyone just how much change there will be.

In the MNF content I liked how Still said he adapted when Khusanov left for City. He came across as being used to that type of scenario and flexible to adapt to the players he had - an often wished for managerial trait on here.

He isn't going to be suprised by what he walks into and seemingly will have max prep time too.

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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36 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

In what way does the league label impact the match? If for example we labelled Lens vs Monaco a Premier League game and Saints vs Derby County a Ligue 1 game. How do those league labels make a difference to what happens on the pitch?

Jesus wept. Really?

You don't think the league that teams play in will affect (positively and negatively) the resources they have available (like money) and access to better / worse players?

You think the league is just a 'label'?

Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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Im not against Will Still, I think he’s a good progressive manager and, tbh, has a far superior CV to Rohl

But personally, because of how vital it is to be promoted and, once there, pragmatically stay in the prem, I would have personally probably preferred Cooper

But it is what it is… Rohl’s insistence to wait for a bigger job, unless he’s been sounded out already, feels a bit odd

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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It looks like Will Still is done and dusted then, I remember when Sunderland were being linked with him last year (when he was leaving Rennes) and most fans saw it as a coup as he'd done good work over there (ignoring the FM nonsense).

Why is the general vibe negative out of interest? I don't think we could realistically approach much better in terms of where we are at, but as with every appointment it is a risk.

What I would say against this is that he's obviously pretty young and lacks a great deal of experience, and by that I mean experience of troubling and difficult situations and being able to navigate those. This summer will be unbelievably hard and the jury is out as to whether he has the experience to deal with what it will bring - that's my biggest concern.

I would have been happier with Rohl, he was my choice - mainly because he has experience of managing/coaching at the highest levels, in the Championship and has shown he can deal with very, very difficult situations as he showed at Wednesday.

I still strongly believe Rohl was our first choice, but I think there are greater ambitions for him now. There will be lots of movement in the summer and his stock is fairly high, I think he wants to move up a level.

I think we could have gone a lot worse and a lot more left field than Still though, and from a club perspective this one ticks a big, big box - no compo required.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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41 minutes ago, trousers said:

I would have thought the more 'manager attributes' boxes you can tick the better...? 

Hypothetically, if you have two managers with identical attributes except one has successfully managed in the league and the other one hasn't, which one would you go for...?

Am I SR in this scenario? 🙂

EBS1980

EBS1980

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Id imagine Rohl was out Plan A but he’s holding out for a top tier job in Germany and Still is our plan B.

if Plan A hasn’t progressed and there is a chance Plan B could go somewhere else, do you hold out waiting for Plan A or move to get Plan B instead.

Sounds we have gone for Still because he’ll be an option for other championship sides and Rohl is still keeping us on hold. 

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West end Saints

West end Saints

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Options are 

1) manager on the way up

2) on the way down

3) at this level already so why come here

 

I would prefer on the way up. The average life expectancy for a championship manager is about 1 year - so most don't gather experience.

I think there would be a tiny advantage of knowing the league.

Last few Winners of championship

Benitez - not managed ch

Nuno Espírito Santo not managed ch, first in England 

Farke - not managed ch, first in England

Bielsa - not managedch,  first job in England

Faarke - 

Parker - been there 3 years

Kompany - not managed ch

Kieran McKenna - not managed ch

Farke

 

So only evidence recently that it helps are Parker and Farke who are at that level. And Farke did it in his first season.

So I don't think it helps at all!

 

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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13 minutes ago, trousers said:

It's almost as if some members of the Saintsweb gang are too quick to jump to conclusions.... ;)

Who would think that giving an opinion that league experience was a desirable trait for the championship would seemingly be such a controversial thing to say. 

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aintforever

aintforever

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I’m not against getting a manager from abroad with no experience of English football, just prefer it if they have actually achieved something. Still would be a pointless gamble IMO.

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Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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4 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I’m not against getting a manager from abroad with no experience of English football, just prefer it if they have actually achieved something. Still would be a pointless gamble IMO.

Who would you rather ?

Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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5 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I’m not against getting a manager from abroad with no experience of English football, just prefer it if they have actually achieved something. Still would be a pointless gamble IMO.

Nevermind

Ive just seen, Lampard, a guy thats *checks notes* not achieved anything either

scumbag

scumbag

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Not been an avid follower of Lens this season....is this dude another 'philosophy' wanker?  Anyway, like a classic Vegas mug punter steaming in on red because it's been black 10 times in a row, surely we're due a good one now?

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aintforever

aintforever

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3 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Oh ok… so 2 out of three that havn’t achieved anything

But who have at least managed in the Championship. And have other attributes, Rohl with his links to the club and Lampard who is a name who could attract players.

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trousers

trousers

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10 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

Options are 

1) manager on the way up

2) on the way down

3) at this level already so why come here

I guess option (1) can be broken down into two parts:

1a) manager on the way up who hasn't yet hit his peak

1b) manager on the way up who has reached his peak

Of course, you never know if you're going to get a 1a or 1b until it's too late... :)

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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Just now, Smirking_Saint said:

Who still hasn’t achieved fuck all

Not sure why we’re going round in circles

 

Fuck all more than Will Still.

 

trousers

trousers

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30 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

What I would say against this is that he's obviously pretty young and lacks a great deal of experience, and by that I mean experience of troubling and difficult situations and being able to navigate those. This summer will be unbelievably hard and the jury is out as to whether he has the experience to deal with what it will bring - that's my biggest concern.

That's the biggest yellow flag to me too. He could be absolutely fine under such pressure of course, but it's a risk nonetheless. (And, yes, all manager appointments come with an element of risk, before the whataboutery brigade launch into one... ;) )

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aintforever

aintforever

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21 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Ligue 1 is a higher standard to the Championship 

But Cooper knows the Championship and knows how to get promoted out of it. 

Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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1 minute ago, aintforever said:

But Cooper knows the Championship and knows how to get promoted out of it. 

But he’s shite on Football Manager. The dinosaur still has a PS3

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Turkish

Turkish

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57 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Are we at the stage now where we’re going to blame RA for every wrong decision and someone else for the right ones ?

Like we did with Les Reed? Everything we did well was despite of Les everything that went badly was because of him

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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21 minutes ago, trousers said:

That's the biggest yellow flag to me too. He could be absolutely fine under such pressure of course, but it's a risk nonetheless. (And, yes, all manager appointments come with an element of risk, before the whataboutery brigade launch into one... ;) )

Yes that's my exact point. Experience is also about knowing how to navigate a number of different situations. I'd worry about his ability to navigate that given his youthfulness and relative lack of experience. 

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Baird of the land

Baird of the land

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49 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

Options are 

1) manager on the way up

2) on the way down

3) at this level already so why come here

 

 

 

That doesn't seem the case at all.

Lots of the 'on up ones' are actually not on the up, are in reality just young and bad

There's a middle cohort who have experience but are still motivated and effective.

Look at the top 5 places in the league this season (Farke, Parker, wilder, De Bris, Lampard are all between mid fourties and fifties)

Fabrice29

Fabrice29

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

What I would say against this is that he's obviously pretty young and lacks a great deal of experience, and by that I mean experience of troubling and difficult situations and being able to navigate those. This summer will be unbelievably hard and the jury is out as to whether he has the experience to deal with what it will bring - that's my biggest concern.

He's helped at least two sides out of relegation trouble in fairness to him from the little I know so not sure about that. Nothing that necessarily relates to the position we'll be in next season though, agreed.

Ted Bates Statue

Ted Bates Statue

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10 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

I do, but you continue to choose not to use it.

There certainly is and I use it, but because you spam the board and successfully bait others into responding, it's nigh on impossible to avoid. It is not your fault alone, but excuse me for my lack of patience.

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SW5 SAINT

SW5 SAINT

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43 minutes ago, aintforever said:

But Cooper knows the Championship and knows how to get promoted out of it. 

I reckon Cooper has already told Southampton he’s not interested…..

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SW5 SAINT

SW5 SAINT

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31 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Like we did with Les Reed? Everything we did well was despite of Les everything that went badly was because of him

I think you’re confusing both with Eric Black….!…😀

Turkish

Turkish

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4 minutes ago, SW5 SAINT said:

I think you’re confusing both with Eric Black….!…😀

Oh no Eric Black was to blame for everything that went wrong on the pitch. Reed was to blame for everything. There was a particularly special post on TUI which listed our signings one by one over the last couple of year and said all the good ones were down to the manager and all the crap ones were Les Reeds 😂

sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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Let us be honest. No matter who the next manager is, if he doesn’t come flying out of the gates immediately he will be written off as rubbish and if he doesn’t get us promoted at the first attempt he will be a total disaster!

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V.Johnathan.Wilson

V.Johnathan.Wilson

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16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Not sure as to Still's style of football, but Myerscough, where he did his degree course, is our local agricultural college.

Still's a Red Bull esque football manager but quite willing to switch the way they play in possession and out of possession depending on who their opponents are so his teams can have wildly varying levels of possession per match. Loves to get the ball in the box as quickly as possible through any means possible (they have some stupid high crossing stats) but his team this season couldn't hit a barn door (home game expected goals was 1.88 and actual goals was 1.13 which is a ludicrous differential). 

At Reims he used both 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-1-2 and at Lens he used predominantly 4-2-3-1 until he lost Khusanov to Man City switching to a back 3/5 because it suited the new look team better. 

 

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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Let us be honest. No matter who the next manager is, if he doesn’t come flying out of the gates immediately he will be written off as rubbish and if he doesn’t get us promoted at the first attempt he will be a total disaster!

Pony

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Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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Club never learns.  Absolute fucking joke.  Only consolation is that the wankers aren’t having any more of my money.  
Stick your Sports Republic multi-club bollocks and Rasmus the fraud up your fucking arseholes.  Absolute load of fucking shite.

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