Fixture Release Day

[Saint Fan CaM]

I win - got the opening game correct, although I did say away. To be fair it’s a great opener, but only if we win of course and that’s nowhere near a definite.

[Football Special]

37 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Have you taken into account... we have a significantly better squad of players than them?

I've taken into account how much disruption to our squad I expect there to be between now and September 

[Verbal]

From the Wrexham fans' forum:

Soton (A) first game is tasty. Pompey away in midweek is so crap.

Well quite.

[Pamplemousse]

48 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We will be playing boatloads of games at 1230 Saturday. I think Alfie House said Leeds did about 10% of their matches at 3pm Saturday last year. 

Especially the away games. I can see our home games (mostly) staying as they are, nobody wants to watch us at home to Stoke.

That Ipswich game will 100% get moved in Week 2.

[Tom]

Looking forward to Danny Ings scoring a brace against us on the first game of the season.

[Matthew Le God]

42 minutes ago, Football Special said:

I've taken into account how much disruption to our squad I expect there to be between now and September 

Player quality will still be significantly higher compared to Pompey.

Edited Thursday at 13:45 by Matthew Le God

[Football Special]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Player quality will still be significantly higher compared to Pompey.

Not denying that, but our first four fixtures look quite tough to me, they have a nice start comparatively 

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

Not denying that, but our first four fixtures look quite tough to me, they have a nice start comparatively 

This suggests otherwise...

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

Stats say no :

 

[coalman]

Having watched Southampton last season I feel any game of football against 11 human beings is a tough fixture. Getting through a few games without the sensation of dread would be a nice start. Points would be something happened to other teams last year and a nice bonus.

[ChrisPY]

24 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

This suggests otherwise...

 

Doesn’t that also suggest we’re at a similar level of quality/team rating to Portsmouth judging by the colour attributed to both teams which would contradict your previous point around player quality being of a significantly higher standard?

[Give it to Ron]

39 minutes ago, Tom said:

Looking forward to Danny Ings scoring a brace against us on the first game of the season.

Why? He will be injured anyway 🙂

Edited Thursday at 14:22 by Give it to Ron

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

Stats say no :

If Birmingham can get through that start with a good tally they'll be on it all season.

[coalman]

6 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Why? He will be injured anyway 🙂

If we carry our defensive skills from this season over I'm not sure being injured is an impediment to scoring against us.

[sockeye]

I see Wrexham have already got a front page article on BBC Sport about their opening match against us.

Going to be hearing a lot about them this season.

[skintsaint]

5 minutes ago, sockeye said:

I see Wrexham have already got a front page article on BBC Sport about their opening match against us.

Going to be hearing a lot about them this season.

Until they languish in the bottom third...

[Osvaldorama]

Stu armstrong and Danny ings joining Wrexham apparently. 
 

FFS. Banana skin on game 1

[skintsaint]

11 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Stu armstrong and Danny ings joining Wrexham apparently. 
 

Wrexham lining up before kick off

[DT]

Very tricky opener. The world will be wanting to wank off to the Wrexham story. Yeeuch. Will be lucky to win this I think unless we actually start recruiting some decent players and offloading some tripe. (Still not convinced the manager is the right choice, just so you know - just a hunch about experience, lack of)

[Football Special]

2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

This suggests otherwise...

 

What stats are those? Evaluating Wrexham as an easy opponent? Yes they've had three straight promotions but they have one of the largest budgets in the league and are full of confidence,  away games at Ipswich and Watford always tough, I'm not expecting many points from opening 4 games , honest evaluation of where we are currently and time Will Still needs to shift the losing culture 

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

What stats are those? Evaluating Wrexham as an easy opponent? Yes they've had three straight promotions but they have one of the largest budgets in the league and are full of confidence,  away games at Ipswich and Watford always tough, I'm not expecting many points from opening 4 games , honest evaluation of where we are currently and time Will Still needs to shift the losing culture 

On what is that claim based?

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, sockeye said:

I see Wrexham have already got a front page article on BBC Sport about their opening match against us.

Going to be hearing a lot about them this season.

The media absolutely love them, probably because any feature on them guarantees loads of hits. 

I do a lot of work with people based in U.S , have to deal with them on a daily basis , other than obvious top 6 clubs the one team they all seem to know is bloody Wrexham 

[Football Special]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

On what is that claim based?

 

Come on MLG you know. 

All teams have income from EFL tv deal, match tickets etc, Wrexham then have considerable additional income from Disney documentary and global sponsorship partners, based on exposure through millions of viewers of their documentary and owners. 

 

"Wrexham AFC has secured several significant sponsorship deals, notably with United Airlines as the front-of-shirt sponsor and Meta Quest as the back-of-shirt sponsor. Additionally, they have partnerships with Aviation Gin (sleeve sponsor), TikTok, Expedia, and others. These deals have contributed to a substantial increase in the club's turnover and valuation. 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

United Airlines: Replaced TikTok as the front-of-shirt sponsor for both the men's and women's teams, with the deal reportedly worth between £5 million and £6 million per year. 

Meta Quest: Announced as the back-of-shirt sponsor for both the men's and women's teams, with the partnership extending into the 2025/26 season. 

Aviation Gin: Sponsors the training wear for both the men's and women's senior teams. 

TikTok: Previously held the front-of-shirt sponsorship, but this deal has since expired. 

Expedia: Sponsored the back of the shirts for two years, with the deal expiring recently. 

Other sponsors: Include H.P., SToK, Vistaprint, and Clogau, with the latter also launching a co-branded watch. 

M&S Food: Recently announced a new partnership with the club. 

The club's success on the field, combined with the high-profile ownership of Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney, has made Wrexham a desirable brand for sponsors. The club's turnover has significantly increased.

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, Football Special said:

 

Come on MLG you know. 

All teams have income from EFL tv deal, match tickets etc, Wrexham then have considerable additional income from Disney documentary and global sponsorship partners, based on exposure through millions of viewers of their documentary and owners. 

 

"Wrexham AFC has secured several significant sponsorship deals, notably with United Airlines as the front-of-shirt sponsor and Meta Quest as the back-of-shirt sponsor. Additionally, they have partnerships with Aviation Gin (sleeve sponsor), TikTok, Expedia, and others. These deals have contributed to a substantial increase in the club's turnover and valuation. 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

United Airlines: Replaced TikTok as the front-of-shirt sponsor for both the men's and women's teams, with the deal reportedly worth between £5 million and £6 million per year. 

Meta Quest: Announced as the back-of-shirt sponsor for both the men's and women's teams, with the partnership extending into the 2025/26 season. 

Aviation Gin: Sponsors the training wear for both the men's and women's senior teams. 

TikTok: Previously held the front-of-shirt sponsorship, but this deal has since expired. 

Expedia: Sponsored the back of the shirts for two years, with the deal expiring recently. 

Other sponsors: Include H.P., SToK, Vistaprint, and Clogau, with the latter also launching a co-branded watch. 

M&S Food: Recently announced a new partnership with the club. 

The club's success on the field, combined with the high-profile ownership of Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney, has made Wrexham a desirable brand for sponsors. The club's turnover has significantly increased.

They still will have a smaller income than quite a few Championship clubs.

[Football Special]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

They still will have a smaller income than quite a few Championship clubs.

Other than parachute payment club's I doubt it , sponsorship deals will be higher than probably all others , plus hugely successful documentary series adding significant income which others don't have 

Playing them early is probably good as I'm sure they'll have lots of new players to settle in, see how ex-Saint Parkinson manages the change 

Edited Thursday at 16:50 by Football Special

[Matthew Le God]

14 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Wrexham then have considerable additional income from Disney documentary

Not true. It doesn't add money itself. It raises the club profile, which makes them attractive to sponsors.

According to the minutes from the club’s Fan Advisory Board meeting: “Shaun Harvey confirmed the club does not gain any direct financial benefit from the series. What the club does receive is a marketing platform to increase the value of all our sponsorship investors and greater exposure of the club which is driving retail sales.”

 

Edited Thursday at 17:03 by Matthew Le God

[coalman]

18 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not true. It doesn't add money itself. It raises the club profile, which makes them attractive to sponsors.

According to the minutes from the club’s Fan Advisory Board meeting: “Shaun Harvey confirmed the club does not gain any direct financial benefit from the series. What the club does receive is a marketing platform to increase the value of all our sponsorship investors and greater exposure of the club which is driving retail sales.”

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce92zk757vlo

Average revenue for a Championship team is apparently £22m. Wrexham come in at £26.7m for their first year back in the football league. So above average back then but less than parachute payments for year one of about £50m. That doesn't account for whatever commercial deals they've done since being promoted twice so it's likely their revenue has taken another jump. 4 years ago it was £1.1m.

They're not going to have the worst finances of anyone in the division. How close they are to the bigger spending teams is unknown but you have to say that Reynolds and McElhenney have done an astonishing job in building the business and profile of the club. 

[Saint_clark]

5 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Why not?

Wouldn't want to give them an opportunity to say they stopped us from going up.

[bpsaint]

8 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Wouldn't want to give them an opportunity to say they stopped us from going up.

Like the way they claim they stopped us winning the league with that David Norris goal. Nevermind the fact we still went top of the league that day with our point, and would lose to Reading and Boro in subsequent weeks. No, it was definitely Pompey that stopped us.

[Saint_clark]

8 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Like the way they claim they stopped us winning the league with that David Norris goal. Nevermind the fact we still went top of the league that day with our point, and would lose to Reading and Boro in subsequent weeks. No, it was definitely Pompey that stopped us.

I don't care about the accuracy of it, I just don't want to give them the chance to say it.

[Verbal]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not true. It doesn't add money itself. It raises the club profile, which makes them attractive to sponsors.

According to the minutes from the club’s Fan Advisory Board meeting: “Shaun Harvey confirmed the club does not gain any direct financial benefit from the series. What the club does receive is a marketing platform to increase the value of all our sponsorship investors and greater exposure of the club which is driving retail sales.”

 

That's highly likely to a sneaky tip-toe around a more complex truth. The two owners of the club are also executive producers of the documentary series, and given their very high industry profile they would certainly have benefited financially - and substantially, given the success of the films - from the series. This revenue stream is likely to have been fed into the ways the owners deficit-finance the club itself. Hollywood accounting, basically: no one shows a profit.

[macca155]

1 hour ago, coalman said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce92zk757vlo

Average revenue for a Championship team is apparently £22m. Wrexham come in at £26.7m for their first year back in the football league. So above average back then but less than parachute payments for year one of about £50m. That doesn't account for whatever commercial deals they've done since being promoted twice so it's likely their revenue has taken another jump. 4 years ago it was £1.1m.

They're not going to have the worst finances of anyone in the division. How close they are to the bigger spending teams is unknown but you have to say that Reynolds and McElhenney have done an astonishing job in building the business and profile of the club. 

Good analysis, Wrexham's problem will be that no matter how much money you have, building a Championship squad takes time. Playing then early doors is probably a good thing 

[East Kent Saint]

As long as Saints hammer them on day one  I'll be happy 😄

[Challenger]

2 hours ago, DT said:

Very tricky opener. The world will be wanting to wank off to the Wrexham story. Yeeuch. Will be lucky to win this I think unless we actually start recruiting some decent players and offloading some tripe. (Still not convinced the manager is the right choice, just so you know - just a hunch about experience, lack of)

Prepared to give the manager a chance, IMO, most of the players have had theirs.

[CougarSaint]

2 hours ago, Football Special said:

 

Come on MLG you know. 

All teams have income from EFL tv deal, match tickets etc, Wrexham then have considerable additional income from Disney documentary and global sponsorship partners, based on exposure through millions of viewers of their documentary and owners. 

 

"Wrexham AFC has secured several significant sponsorship deals, notably with United Airlines as the front-of-shirt sponsor and Meta Quest as the back-of-shirt sponsor. Additionally, they have partnerships with Aviation Gin (sleeve sponsor), TikTok, Expedia, and others. These deals have contributed to a substantial increase in the club's turnover and valuation. 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

United Airlines: Replaced TikTok as the front-of-shirt sponsor for both the men's and women's teams, with the deal reportedly worth between £5 million and £6 million per year. 

Meta Quest: Announced as the back-of-shirt sponsor for both the men's and women's teams, with the partnership extending into the 2025/26 season. 

Aviation Gin: Sponsors the training wear for both the men's and women's senior teams. 

TikTok: Previously held the front-of-shirt sponsorship, but this deal has since expired. 

Expedia: Sponsored the back of the shirts for two years, with the deal expiring recently. 

Other sponsors: Include H.P., SToK, Vistaprint, and Clogau, with the latter also launching a co-branded watch. 

M&S Food: Recently announced a new partnership with the club. 

The club's success on the field, combined with the high-profile ownership of Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney, has made Wrexham a desirable brand for sponsors. The club's turnover has significantly increased.

So I'm interested to know which AI model generated your post?

[spyinthesky]

Just a point of interest re the Pompey home game.

There are 4 cruise ships in on Saturday 13th September and the same number on Sunday 14th plus these dates more than likely clash with the Boat Show.

GRRRREAATT!!

[Football Special]

9 minutes ago, CougarSaint said:

So I'm interested to know which AI model generated your post?

Just googled Wrexham sponsorship deals 

[CB Fry]

21 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

As long as Saints hammer them on day one  I'll be happy 😄

Surely this is the only appropriate result for the narrative of the TV show. 

[CougarSaint]

Well done for your inspiring assessment. Is this how you do your homework?

[Dr Who?]

8 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

Early for the derby!!

 

Sheff Utd in midweek is a fucking killer.

And all the London away games are in November!!

Gives me November off then! 

[S-Clarke]

Hollywood FC for the first game.

They'll build this up like it's some sort of Superbowl game. Wrexham will be right up for this. It's an enormous banana skin that we could easily lose fairly comfortably if our mind isn't on it.

So much will change between now and then though, hard to say what team we'll put out.

Edited Thursday at 19:27 by S-Clarke

[CougarSaint]

Just so we're clear, I'm not trying to win anything here, and want to give you some good advice.

Don't quote searches verbatim, think about the content, check the content for accuracy, then post your opinion, this is a fan's forum, and it's all about opinions (apparently everyone has one). None of them are necessarily correct. But introducing points of view is important, that's why we're here, and should support you as a contributor with an opinion.

Bit preachy, but hey, hopefully it helps. And admins, you need to look at how you deal with AI responses and formatting ..

[coalman]

2 minutes ago, CougarSaint said:

Just so we're clear, I'm not trying to win anything here, and want to give you some good advice.

Don't quote searches verbatim, think about the content, check the content for accuracy, then post your opinion, this is a fan's forum, and it's all about opinions (apparently everyone has one). None of them are necessarily correct. But introducing points of view is important, that's why we're here, and should support you as a contributor with an opinion.

Bit preachy, but hey, hopefully it helps. And admins, you need to look at how you deal with AI responses and formatting ..

Agree. Gemini (the model in question) has form for hallucination (making shit up). Though at least should give references to follow.

[Football Special]

6 minutes ago, CougarSaint said:

Just so we're clear, I'm not trying to win anything here, and want to give you some good advice.

Don't quote searches verbatim, think about the content, check the content for accuracy, then post your opinion, this is a fan's forum, and it's all about opinions (apparently everyone has one). None of them are necessarily correct. But introducing points of view is important, that's why we're here, and should support you as a contributor with an opinion.

Bit preachy, but hey, hopefully it helps. And admins, you need to look at how you deal with AI responses and formatting ..

Get a life Cougar Saint, it's a football forum discussing how much money Wrexham might have to spend,  we're not researching for a PHD here 

[Saint_clark]

4 hours ago, DT said:

Very tricky opener. The world will be wanting to wank off to the Wrexham story. Yeeuch. Will be lucky to win this I think unless we actually start recruiting some decent players and offloading some tripe. (Still not convinced the manager is the right choice, just so you know - just a hunch about experience, lack of)

Honestly if you're trying to write a story for the documentary, them losing the opening game away to a recent Prem side would be the perfect reality check triggering an episode or two of "we're desperate to get some real quality in" before they sign Danny Ings and Jonny Evans on free transfers. 

[vectraman]

Wrexham of league 1 last season vs saints probably unchanged pretty much of the Prem and people talk as if it’s Real Madrid we are playing. 😡.

We play well and we will beat them, end of. What a bunch of melts some of you are ☹️.

We should be good enough to be top 3 no problem. 

[BarberSaint]

1 minute ago, vectraman said:

Wrexham of league 1 last season vs saints probably unchanged pretty much of the Prem and people talk as if it’s Real Madrid we are playing. 😡.

We play well and we will beat them, end of. What a bunch of melts some of you are ☹️.

We should be good enough to be top 3 no problem. 

Top would be better though.  A nice 16-0 to us to get us underway please.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I’m reminded of our first Championship game of two seasons ago against newly promoted Sheffield Weds. We trounced them because they’d not worked out how to control us and our game. Roll on to the home game and it was a different affair. Wrexham will not be a naive pushover - if our players are as mentally weak as we’ve seen previously we’ll lose this type of game no question.

[Vancouver Saint]

I'm more concerned about where to watch the live games - last time we were in the Championship the SaintsViewer platform or whatever it was was a complete joke.

 

[HnycS]

14 hours ago, coalman said:

If we carry our defensive skills from this season over I'm not sure being injured is an impediment to scoring against us.

Correct. Jay Rodriguez will be the more likely scorer at least he might be more respectful.

[chivvy]

Wrexham will be out of their depth. I expect a 3-0 win.