Wade Garrett Posted Sunday at 08:52 Posted Sunday at 08:52 On 16/10/2025 at 12:10, James G said: If you read his scouting reports, he is regarded quite highly and has alot of assets. I think he just needs time to adapt. He has only played the equivalent of 2 full games so far in minutes this season Not interested in scouting reports probably put together by some stats guy who never played the game. Just what I see myself. We could have signed Kone for a third of the price but that doesn’t work for the fucking stats geeks in charge with their history in banking. What the fuck do we know!! 2
AlexLaw76 Posted Sunday at 09:16 Posted Sunday at 09:16 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: Not interested in scouting reports probably put together by some stats guy who never played the game. Just what I see myself. We could have signed Kone for a third of the price but that doesn’t work for the fucking stats geeks in charge with their history in banking. What the fuck do we know!! I have been consistent - Kieffer Moore!!!! Edited Sunday at 09:16 by AlexLaw76
BARCELONASAINT Posted Sunday at 09:23 Posted Sunday at 09:23 I would love to hear a view of Downs ability from one of his team mates who see him day in day out in training. Unfortunately it's highly unlikely to happen unless it's very positive comments which you do occasionally here from players about new members of the team. I don't understand why he was on the bench yesterday if WS never had any intention on using him. The lads confidence must be rock bottom already and then having to watch yesterday a game that was crying out for someone to lead the line only for him to be totally ignored. Now i'm not saying for one minute he should have been brought on, so far from what i have seen i completely agree with most on here he's shockingly bad but that again highlights the glaringly obvious, why was he taking up a bench spot? 2
trousers Posted Sunday at 09:38 Posted Sunday at 09:38 (edited) 18 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said: I would love to hear a view of Downs ability from one of his team mates who see him day in day out in training. Unfortunately it's highly unlikely to happen unless it's very positive comments which you do occasionally here from players about new members of the team. I don't understand why he was on the bench yesterday if WS never had any intention on using him. The lads confidence must be rock bottom already and then having to watch yesterday a game that was crying out for someone to lead the line only for him to be totally ignored. Now i'm not saying for one minute he should have been brought on, so far from what i have seen i completely agree with most on here he's shockingly bad but that again highlights the glaringly obvious, why was he taking up a bench spot? Indeed... Oyekunle should have been on the bench... Would have been great experience for him and could've had a 'nothing to lose' 10 minute cameo appearance at the end which wouldn't have done his development any harm. Having a player on the bench with no intention of being him on* is a complete waste of an opportunity for someone else. (* That said, I would imagine the plan was to bring Downs on if we were comfortably in the lead towards the end of the game for a 'no pressure' confidence building stint... Just one flaw with that plan... Saints? Comfortable lead? Yeah, that flaw... ) Edited Sunday at 09:42 by trousers
beatlesaint Posted Sunday at 10:02 Posted Sunday at 10:02 37 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said: I would love to hear a view of Downs ability from one of his team mates who see him day in day out in training. Unfortunately it's highly unlikely to happen unless it's very positive comments which you do occasionally here from players about new members of the team. I don't understand why he was on the bench yesterday if WS never had any intention on using him. The lads confidence must be rock bottom already and then having to watch yesterday a game that was crying out for someone to lead the line only for him to be totally ignored. Now i'm not saying for one minute he should have been brought on, so far from what i have seen i completely agree with most on here he's shockingly bad but that again highlights the glaringly obvious, why was he taking up a bench spot? It was quite amusing to hear the Sky commentators not understanding why he hadnt been bought on given his height.....obviously hadn't seen any of his earlier performances ! 4
Lord Duckhunter Posted Sunday at 10:12 Posted Sunday at 10:12 On 16/10/2025 at 12:10, James G said: I think he just needs time to adapt. He has only played the equivalent of 2 full games so far in minutes this season You think a bloke so shite that he can’t get a game, needs more game time? 2 3
Wade Garrett Posted Sunday at 10:25 Posted Sunday at 10:25 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: I have been consistent - Kieffer Moore!!!! Yes, but what’s his fucking xG? 1 4
Wade Garrett Posted Sunday at 10:30 Posted Sunday at 10:30 16 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: You think a bloke so shite that he can’t get a game, needs more game time? Quite right. I’m afraid turds don’t polish very well. Persisting with Bazunu didn’t work well.
Willo of Whiteley Posted Sunday at 10:59 Posted Sunday at 10:59 Let’s be honest if we’d signed Kieffer Moore or Oli McButnie in the summer, as a Saints fan you’d have been pissed off. It’s only because our strikers have been inconsistent or that they performed against our inept defenders that it’s being talked about. 1
hypochondriac Posted Sunday at 11:53 Posted Sunday at 11:53 53 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said: Let’s be honest if we’d signed Kieffer Moore or Oli McButnie in the summer, as a Saints fan you’d have been pissed off. It’s only because our strikers have been inconsistent or that they performed against our inept defenders that it’s being talked about. Yes but it's not for the club hierarchy to be swayed by fan reaction, it's about being above that and doing what required for the team. Say what you like about Cortese but do you think he'd give a fuck what the fans think about a decision? Do you think he'd be staying with Still in the current scenario or he'd have allowed us to go into a season woefully weak in key positions? 1
skintsaint Posted Sunday at 11:58 Posted Sunday at 11:58 2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: I have been consistent - Kieffer Moore!!!! 3 year deal for a 32 year old who would be useless if promoted. Thank fuck you aint involved. 4
AlexLaw76 Posted Sunday at 12:07 Posted Sunday at 12:07 8 minutes ago, skintsaint said: 3 year deal for a 32 year old who would be useless if promoted. Thank fuck you aint involved. As opposed to Damion Downs lol 1 2
Appy Posted Sunday at 12:07 Posted Sunday at 12:07 2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: I have been consistent - Kieffer Moore!!!! Hardly tearing it up for Wrexham and can’t even get in that awful Wales team, Downs isn’t the answer but my god, nor is Kieffer Moore. 2
AlexLaw76 Posted Sunday at 12:08 Posted Sunday at 12:08 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Appy said: Hardly tearing it up for Wrexham and can’t even get in that awful Wales team, Downs isn’t the answer but my god, nor is Kieffer Moore. Suspect he would fit the team quite well infact, we could have sign Kieffer Moore, Ollie McBurnie and Carlton Morris for less than it cost for Downs. Edited Sunday at 12:10 by AlexLaw76 1 1
Appy Posted Sunday at 12:12 Posted Sunday at 12:12 3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Suspect he would fit the team quite well infact, we could have sign Kieffer Moore, Ollie McBurnie and Carlton Morris for less than it cost for Downs. You realise me saying no to Moore isn’t me saying yes to Downs right?
skintsaint Posted Sunday at 12:13 Posted Sunday at 12:13 3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Suspect he would fit the team quite well Let me get this right, you want us to sign a now 33 year old striker on a 3 year deal who in the last 5 seasons has scored 21 league goals in total. lol 1
AlexLaw76 Posted Sunday at 12:13 Posted Sunday at 12:13 Just now, Appy said: You realise me saying no to Moore isn’t me saying yes to Downs right? Moore, or someone like him, would be incredibly effective under this clown of a manager.
AlexLaw76 Posted Sunday at 12:15 Posted Sunday at 12:15 Just now, skintsaint said: Let me get this right, you want us to sign a now 33 year old striker on a 3 year deal who in the last 5 seasons has scored 21 league goals in total. lol He will score and contribute much much much more than Downs will this season. given we now have to apparently find a new way of playing now our injury stricken big lad is out for month, and all can see that under this manager we need a big presence upfront, yes, Moore would have been a decent equation for relative pennies. we signed Billy Sharp to do a job for a couple of months, Moore would have been the same 3
skintsaint Posted Sunday at 12:19 Posted Sunday at 12:19 3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: He will score and contribute much much much more than Downs will this season. as someone has said before, Downs isn't the answer too. Moore....LOL.
AlexLaw76 Posted Sunday at 12:26 Posted Sunday at 12:26 4 minutes ago, skintsaint said: as someone has said before, Downs isn't the answer too. Moore....LOL. lol all you like he has more goals so far this season than Arma, Archer, Scienza, Fellows and Downs combined, and has started the season as one of the best rated players (not just as a forward) would we be better with him available over Downs? 100%. Pretty sure he would have started for us yesterday, or at least come off the bench. Anyway, looking forward to it all clicking, which I am sure will be any game now 3
Willo of Whiteley Posted Sunday at 12:26 Posted Sunday at 12:26 Are you Kieffer Moore’s agent, @AlexLaw76? Never known someone to get such a hard on for a player who we were never linked with and seemingly hasn’t pulled up trees since his pay day move to Wrexham.
skintsaint Posted Sunday at 12:27 Posted Sunday at 12:27 Just now, AlexLaw76 said: he has more goals so far this season than Arma, Archer, Scienza, Fellows and Downs combined, and has started the season as one of the best rated players (not just as a forward) would we be better with him available over Downs? 100%. Pretty sure he would have started for us yesterday, or at least come off the bench. as one of the main negative posting people on here, if we signed him at the time you would have had a right old meltdown on those terms. He isn't the answer nor is Downs.
AlexLaw76 Posted Sunday at 12:29 Posted Sunday at 12:29 Just now, Willo of Whiteley said: Are you Kieffer Moore’s agent, @AlexLaw76? Never known someone to get such a hard on for a player who we were never linked with and seemingly hasn’t pulled up trees since his pay day move to Wrexham. Not at all, just an obvious player who would have been available to us, for a fraction of the fee compared to Downs, who would have made an immediate impact. is he a good player? Not particularly but he would have been a decent for a season given the manager needs a lump. Carlton Morris would be another, but Moore stood out given he dominated our defence when he played
AlexLaw76 Posted Sunday at 12:29 Posted Sunday at 12:29 (edited) 5 minutes ago, skintsaint said: as one of the main negative posting people on here, if we signed him at the time you would have had a right old meltdown on those terms. He isn't the answer nor is Downs. Makes no difference to whether the club signed him or not. as for negative. I would say realistic (given the reality of Sports Republic) Edited Sunday at 12:33 by AlexLaw76
Willo of Whiteley Posted Sunday at 12:33 Posted Sunday at 12:33 3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Not at all, just an obvious player who would have been available to us, for a fraction of the fee compared to Downs, who would have made an immediate impact. is he a good player? Not particularly but he would have been a decent for a season given the manager needs a lump. Carlton Morris would be another, but Moore stood out given he dominated our defence when he played The same Carlton Morris that got relegated twice in two seasons? Jeeez 1
AlexLaw76 Posted Sunday at 12:34 Posted Sunday at 12:34 (edited) 1 minute ago, Willo of Whiteley said: The same Carlton Morris that got relegated twice in two seasons? Jeeez Yep, players is relegated sides can be decent. Morris would have been miles better than Downs (for a fraction of the cost) i mean, we sold 2 back to the premier league, and loaned another, who helped us to 12 whole points Edited Sunday at 12:35 by AlexLaw76
Appy Posted Sunday at 12:35 Posted Sunday at 12:35 21 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Moore, or someone like him, would be incredibly effective under this clown of a manager. If this manager is a clown, why would anyone be effective under him?
AlexLaw76 Posted Sunday at 12:36 Posted Sunday at 12:36 Just now, Appy said: If this manager is a clown, why would anyone be effective under him? Because he seemingly requires a lump, and cannot get a tune out of what we have. Unless he is moved on, we should have got him what he needed up top.
Baz Fl Posted Sunday at 12:58 Posted Sunday at 12:58 Downs is our classic “one for the future” or “resale value” the problem is we needed a striker for today in the here and now and we have done for several seasons. How much of the 7M do you think we will get back after DD shows the world he can’t make in Championship football. We’ve ended up with Wrong player Wrong price Wrong league Wrong purchase! 1
EssEffCee Posted Sunday at 13:52 Posted Sunday at 13:52 1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said: The same Carlton Morris that got relegated twice in two seasons? Jeeez Didn't he get double figures in the PL? Don't think we've had a striker do that since Ings.
Wade Garrett Posted Sunday at 14:03 Posted Sunday at 14:03 3 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said: Let’s be honest if we’d signed Kieffer Moore or Oli McButnie in the summer, as a Saints fan you’d have been pissed off. It’s only because our strikers have been inconsistent or that they performed against our inept defenders that it’s being talked about. Why would we have been pissed off? 1
Wade Garrett Posted Sunday at 14:04 Posted Sunday at 14:04 1 hour ago, skintsaint said: Let me get this right, you want us to sign a now 33 year old striker on a 3 year deal who in the last 5 seasons has scored 21 league goals in total. lol To be honest, I would prefer Antonio.
aintforever Posted Sunday at 15:08 Posted Sunday at 15:08 2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: Moore, or someone like him, would be incredibly effective under this clown of a manager. I agree. Surely Will Still has a say in recruitment though, if he doesn’t he’s not a manager he’s just a head coach.
Saint NL Posted Sunday at 15:28 Posted Sunday at 15:28 Nearly there. It is said that for every 25 pages of this thread, DD will score a league goal. If we lose on Tuesday night, the goal might come on Saturday 🔥
Weston Super Saint Posted Sunday at 15:34 Posted Sunday at 15:34 4 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said: Let’s be honest if we’d signed Kieffer Moore or Oli McButnie in the summer, as a Saints fan you’d have been pissed off. Unlike Damion Downs with whom the entire fanbase is deliriously happy. 2
Willo of Whiteley Posted Sunday at 16:12 Posted Sunday at 16:12 I think over the next couple of weeks Downes will start, he’ll have one bounce in off him and then he’ll get a few. I’m not saying he’ll be prolific in anyway, but it’s similar to the team as a whole. We’ll score one or two goals or get maybe a couple of wins in a row and it’ll click.
Lord Duckhunter Posted Monday at 20:53 Posted Monday at 20:53 Should have kept Tall Paul over this dud.. 4 1
disconnect Posted Monday at 21:00 Posted Monday at 21:00 He’s clearly suffering a massive confidence crisis, but has done it at a decent level in Germany, we just need to get him up to that speed here. Keeping fingers crossed it clicks in the next few weeks. He’s not an aerial striker, he’s a ball in behind the defender type - play to his strengths and let’s see what happens. 1
Mboto Gorge Posted Monday at 21:16 Posted Monday at 21:16 7 minutes ago, disconnect said: He’s clearly suffering a massive confidence crisis, but has done it at a decent level in Germany, we just need to get him up to that speed here. Keeping fingers crossed it clicks in the next few weeks. He’s not an aerial striker, he’s a ball in behind the defender type - play to his strengths and let’s see what happens. What exactly has he done at a decent level? Hes scored 10 goals in the German second tier (which is a lower level than the league he’s currently playing in) in his career, and has only played 39 matches in the top 2 leagues in Germany in total. 12 goals in 39 games in total, and looks totally at sea here. It begs the question, if he’s having personal issues in settling, then the club clearly didn’t do their due diligence when factoring all this in whereby this signing was just a massive massive gamble compared to signing a British striker who was tried and tested at this level, of which there were dozens who’d have been available. Mind boggling 8
trousers Posted Monday at 21:39 Posted Monday at 21:39 (edited) 39 minutes ago, disconnect said: Keeping fingers crossed it clicks in the next few weeks It's not going to click if Still plays him on the bench with no intention of bringing him on... Flummoxed as to why he's not been given a few games in the U21s, where he's more likely to 'click' and gain some confidence... It's almost as if this club is being run like a rundown seaside B&B, to coin a phrase... Edited Monday at 21:40 by trousers 3
Patches O Houlihan Posted Monday at 22:34 Posted Monday at 22:34 On 19/10/2025 at 15:04, Wade Garrett said: To be honest, I would prefer Antonio. You think Stewart might get lonely in the physio's waiting room and could do with a rehab buddy?
Miltonaggro Posted yesterday at 06:58 Posted yesterday at 06:58 9 hours ago, trousers said: It's not going to click if Still plays him on the bench with no intention of bringing him on... Flummoxed as to why he's not been given a few games in the U21s, where he's more likely to 'click' and gain some confidence... It's almost as if this club is being run like a rundown seaside B&B, to coin a phrase... Seaside Turkish barbers… 1
Anders Posted yesterday at 08:12 Posted yesterday at 08:12 You'd think a 21 year old would be buzzing and full of confidence after a big move rather than having a confidence crisis, you need a certain mentality to succeed in football so it's a bit of a concern that we sign someone whose confidence drops so quickly. 3
Charlie Wayman Posted yesterday at 08:46 Posted yesterday at 08:46 It amazes me that he even gets a place on the bench. His inability to involve himself in games let alone make an effective contribution is astonishing for a professional footballer. Subs are supposed to make an immediate impact these days but this lad seems just to jog around and do his best to hide from the ball. He's probably going through mental hell trying to understand what is going wrong for him but that doesn't help us. In my mind the legend that was Ricky Lambert always pops up when making comparisons, he seemed to have the ball at his feet all the time which was no accident and as often as not banged it into the net with the same simple ease as Haaland.
SW11_Saint Posted yesterday at 09:57 Posted yesterday at 09:57 (edited) Part of me wonders if there was a ‘sliding doors’ moment when he missed that chance v Wrexham (that Jack converted). Would have been an instant hero, confidence sky high… maybe things would have been totally different for him (given how important confidence is for strikers). We’ll never know… Edited yesterday at 09:57 by SW11_Saint 1
Suhari Posted yesterday at 10:08 Posted yesterday at 10:08 Has he had a run out for the u21s? We desparately need a big guy upfront; really want it to work out for DD, but so far it isn't looking good. I wonder if Will would be brave enough to give him a run of 2/3 starts? Or has he already written him off (as most of us seem to have done!)
Bakovnetski Posted yesterday at 10:34 Posted yesterday at 10:34 3 hours ago, Miltonaggro said: Seaside Turkish barbers… Aha, so the SR club group model is really being run for money laundering
Willo of Whiteley Posted yesterday at 10:50 Posted yesterday at 10:50 I reckon he’ll start against Bristol City tonight 1
St Louis Posted yesterday at 12:24 Posted yesterday at 12:24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said: I reckon he’ll start against Bristol City tonight Weirdly, I kind of hope he does. I know he's looked less than great so far, but I dont want him binned forever just yet. I still hold a glimmer of hope that he can be useful for us, at least until Stewart is back 'fit'. I'd love to see him have a decent game and get a goal for us, we need all the attacking help we can get! My preference (like everyone's I hope) is that he can turn it around still and grow into the team/division. Edited yesterday at 12:25 by St Louis 4
Lord Duckhunter Posted yesterday at 13:21 Posted yesterday at 13:21 3 hours ago, SW11_Saint said: Part of me wonders if there was a ‘sliding doors’ moment when he missed that chance v Wrexham (that Jack converted). Would have been an instant hero, confidence sky high… maybe things would have been totally different for him (given how important confidence is for strikers). We’ll never know… Hang on, that wasn’t a “miss”, it was an horrendous push the likes of which we rarely see on a football pitch nowadays. Even Alan Shearer would have missed after that. No wonder he’s struggling mentally, he probably hasn’t got over that assault yet. 2
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