Tonda Eckert

[Harry_SFC]

4 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

The idea that it is a "mythical" idea that anyone could do better than a 32 year old novice is utterly insane to me.

Top scorer in the division, some of the Championship's best players all across the park but no one could do any better than Tonda fucking Eckert.

 

Of course these same bullshitters who six months ago didn't even know Tonda existed are now making out no other person on the planet could do any better. Full of shit lads.

 

The defence is pretty shit (even then he's picking the more shit players) but other than that he, like Still is massively underachieving.

Who in their right mind plays the divisions best winger as a wing back? Why is Scienza basically playing as a central midfielder? How on earth does he keep picking Manning? 

Brilliant decisions on Saturday. Brings on Stewart who is good from crosses but takes off Fellows who is the best crosser in the team. I mean WTF!?

A cardboard cut out would inspire me more than this bloke. 

[AlexLaw76]

13 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

The idea that it is a "mythical" idea that anyone could do better than a 32 year old novice is utterly insane to me.

Top scorer in the division, some of the Championship's best players all across the park but no one could do any better than Tonda fucking Eckert.

 

Of course these same bullshitters who six months ago didn't even know Tonda existed are now making out no other person on the planet could do any better. Full of shit lads.

 

I am not having it. Players like Fellows and Scienza are cooking playing Right Wing Back and Inside Left...

no other way

[Badger]

42 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Brilliant decisions on Saturday. Brings on Stewart who is good from crosses but takes off Fellows who is the best crosser in the team. I mean WTF!?

A cardboard cut out would inspire me more than this bloke. 

Typifies the thinking at SFC fromtop to bottom. It’s just not joined up

Edited 3 hours ago by Badger

[Saint Gifford]

 All venture capital businesses have an exit strategy. 
 

SR is just a that, invest, change the board and put in your own people, cost cut, asset strip and sell what remains. Making a huge amount of money in the process. 
 

It’s clear something has gone wrong in their process, and can no longer recoup or make as much money as they thought. 
 

They are not here because they have Southampton FC running through their veins and have been watching since they were 5 or 6. It’s a business to them and they have fcuk’d up. 

It’s now a matter of how much can we get back, because the investment has completely failed. 
 

They will either cut their losses which they won’t do, but will hang on until they can wring out every last penny from what ever bit of the club they can. 
 

They appear to be in far deeper than they expected. 

[Wade Garrett]

38 minutes ago, Saint Gifford said:

 All venture capital businesses have an exit strategy. 
 

SR is just a that, invest, change the board and put in your own people, cost cut, asset strip and sell what remains. Making a huge amount of money in the process. 
 

It’s clear something has gone wrong in their process, and can no longer recoup or make as much money as they thought. 
 

They are not here because they have Southampton FC running through their veins and have been watching since they were 5 or 6. It’s a business to them and they have fcuk’d up. 

It’s now a matter of how much can we get back, because the investment has completely failed. 
 

They will either cut their losses which they won’t do, but will hang on until they can wring out every last penny from what ever bit of the club they can. 
 

They appear to be in far deeper than they expected. 

My heart pumps piss for them.  I hope they lose the fucking lot.

[CB Fry]

52 minutes ago, Saint Gifford said:

 All venture capital businesses have an exit strategy. 
 

SR is just a that, invest, change the board and put in your own people, cost cut, asset strip and sell what remains. Making a huge amount of money in the process. 
 

It’s clear something has gone wrong in their process, and can no longer recoup or make as much money as they thought. 
 

They are not here because they have Southampton FC running through their veins and have been watching since they were 5 or 6. It’s a business to them and they have fcuk’d up. 

It’s now a matter of how much can we get back, because the investment has completely failed. 
 

They will either cut their losses which they won’t do, but will hang on until they can wring out every last penny from what ever bit of the club they can. 
 

They appear to be in far deeper than they expected. 

They are not asset strippers and they haven't asset stripped.

I don't know why people are so quick the grasp for that phrase and that assessment when it doesn't match anything our owners have done at all.

If anything they have invested - in the ground, in the match experience, in the training ground, in the squad, on the pitch. They've spent and spent and spent.

You've decided to create a fiction of evil owners who are "wringing out every last penny" when that bears no resemblance to anything they have said or done.

They've made some terrible mistakes, especially on managers.

But that isn't "asset stripping" and it isn't "wringing every last penny".

What club and what owners are you talking about here?

Edited 2 hours ago by CB Fry

[Willo of Whiteley]

BuT oUr xG pEr GaMe!!!!!

[saintant]

7 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

They are not asset strippers and they haven't asset stripped.

I don't know why people are so quick the grasp for that phrase and that assessment when it doesn't match anything our owners have done at all.

If anything they have invested - in the ground, in the match experience in the training ground, in the squad, on the pitch. They've spent and spent and spent.

You've decided to create a fiction of evil owners who are "wringing out every last penny" when that bears no resemblance to anything they have said or done.

They've made some terrible mistakes, especially on managers.

But that isn't "asset stripping" and it isn't "wringing every last penny".

What club and what owners are you talking about here?

Agree. They are neither an adventure capital business nor asset strippers. What they are is a bunch of incompetent clowns who listened to Ankersen's big ideas. He sold them the dream and they now find themselves floundering out of their depth in a business they know the square root of diddly squat about.  I don't think they have an exit strategy but Ankersen probably continues to lead them by the nose because his ego won't allow him to admit defeat and quit.

[Willo of Whiteley]

They won’t sack him until play offs are mathematically impossible.

Like Juric when we were relegated last season.

[BotleySaint]

33 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

They won’t sack him until play offs are mathematically impossible.

Like Juric when we were relegated last season.

Or when this seasons relegation is confirmed.

Edited 1 hour ago by BotleySaint

[sadoldgit]

Someone help me please. I hear a lot about playing 5 at the back but if you have 3 CBs and 2 wing halves, surely that is 3 at the back?

4 across the back, 2 CBs and 2 FBs gives you more defensive strength doesn’t it, assuming that the wing halves play further up the pitch?

Asking for a friend (TE).

[Football Special]

54 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

They are not asset strippers and they haven't asset stripped.

I don't know why people are so quick the grasp for that phrase and that assessment when it doesn't match anything our owners have done at all.

If anything they have invested - in the ground, in the match experience, in the training ground, in the squad, on the pitch. They've spent and spent and spent.

You've decided to create a fiction of evil owners who are "wringing out every last penny" when that bears no resemblance to anything they have said or done.

They've made some terrible mistakes, especially on managers.

But that isn't "asset stripping" and it isn't "wringing every last penny".

What club and what owners are you talking about here?

The question is what is their objective? If it's to build a successful football club then clearly they will never be competent enough to do that. 

[Dark Munster]

43 minutes ago, saintant said:

Agree. They are neither an adventure capital business nor asset strippers. What they are is a bunch of incompetent clowns who listened to Ankersen's big ideas. He sold them the dream and they now find themselves floundering out of their depth in a business they know the square root of diddly squat about.  I don't think they have an exit strategy but Ankersen probably continues to lead them by the nose because his ego won't allow him to admit defeat and quit.

Excellent summary. I wish Dragan could read this and get it through his thick skull. I think he's suffering from classic sunk cost fallacy. Rasmus sold him the bullshit that he could fund a new Man City, and if he cuts him loose now he has to admit (to himself) that he's been sold up the river by a fraud.

[Dr. Kucho]

23 minutes ago, Football Special said:

The question is what is their objective? If it's to build a successful football club then clearly they will never be competent enough to do that. 

Their objective is to make money, like all other football club owners (on the exception of a few who have a connection to the club they own).

I think what happened is that Ankersen and Kraft approached various businessmen with their plan and Dragan decided to go for it. Someone told me the other day that Danish football club Midjiland (spelling) do everything with data. And guess who was their chairman. 

Likely Ankersen had a plan that using the latest data software systems they could outsmart other clubs who dont use it and make money with player trading and finishing high up in the league. It all worked at Brentford and would work again they thought. Problem was that in the premier league you need big money and they relied too much on data and didn’t use their common sense.

Dragan has a few options, sell and accept a loss, continue and hope it works out or replace Ankersen and others and bring in experienced football chairman and directors. 

These are my thoughts and I could be wrong in how I think it went.