Saints 0-0 Millwall - Match Thread

[OneMrsWallace]

So now we can keep a clean sheet but can't score. Genius. Our owners/manager are so delusional can guarantee they're thinking Stewart will return and blast us to promotion from here. I'm laughing but crying inside. 

[Appy]

6 minutes ago, LGTL said:

😂 the fuck was all that about?! Poor old Kenzie

Highlight was when she asked the guy what prize he wanted , “dunno, can’t read it”

[Maury Dyer]

So why after a good start, have we reverted to the shut old same tippy happy of the pa?st five years ???

I thought the bad times were over. Really elated. Now back to depression. Bastards.

[die Mannyschaft]

16 minutes ago, Appy said:

At least “Spin the Wheel” at half time was a roaring success 

The players use the wheel before match. 

Kick ball forward

Shoot

Bag sweets

Recycle ball

2 pints at halftime

Pass sideways

Cheese burger

Away shirt

Pass backwards

[Raging Bull]

67% possession and nearly twice as many backward passes than milwall (86-45) says it all. 

We’re so easy to play against 

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, Raging Bull said:

67% possession and nearly twice as many backward passes than milwall (86-45) says it all. 

We’re so easy to play against 

And incredibly negative as well. Truly anti-football.

[Maury Dyer]

The same old tippy tappy shit

[saintant]

Time the coach and SR stopped insulting the intelligence of our fans. The team is serving up absolute dross every time they set foot on the pitch yet nothing is being done to resolve the obvious problems. Don't come out and give us the usual after match comments and take us for fools. Say it how it is for once and you will get more respect. The fan base has been far more patient than the club deserve. We all know it will be more of the same on Sunday against Boro. Don't tell us you are happy with the squad and that we don't need to do any business in the January window unless you are happy with the steaming shit we offer every game. The club is a joke and the fans deserve so much better but it'll never happen under Solak, Ankersen and the rest of the clowns.

[Appy]

How can we literally have no other option than pass it around at the back and continue with three centre backs? 
 

 

Tonda is going to be an awful appointment isn’t he?

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Appy said:

How can we literally have no other option than pass it around at the back and continue with three centre backs? 
 

 

Tonda is going to be an awful appointment isn’t he?

It was all too predicable

[Football Special]

3 minutes ago, saintant said:

Time the coach and SR stopped insulting the intelligence of our fans. The team is serving up absolute dross every time they set foot on the pitch yet nothing is being done to resolve the obvious problems. Don't come out and give us the usual after match comments and take us for fools. Say it how it is for once and you will get more respect. The fan base has been far more patient than the club deserve. We all know it will be more of the same on Sunday against Boro. Don't tell us you are happy with the squad and that we don't need to do any business in the January window unless you are happy with the steaming shit we offer every game. The club is a joke and the fans deserve so much better but it'll never happen under Solak, Ankersen and the rest of the clowns.

Amazes me we still get over 30k last two home games both Cat A prices, I expect them to drop quite a bit in January now 

[Harry_SFC]

1 hour ago, Big M said:

I truly believe there is a player power problem at St Mary's, looks to me that a few ego's pressure a very young inexperienced manager, and that manager knows full well they will throw him under the bus, I was no fan of Will Still but I think that's what happened to him. RM was the players buddy, train when you want to, extra days off for the all important golf, playing terribly but you still get picked etc etc, I bet there was no fine system, discipline whatsoever.So on massive wages they don't break a sweat, manager pisses me off, I won't break a sweat, the attitude of he'll be gone soon etc etc. And so it's toxic, we'll sell Scienza, fellows for good money, probably a couple of others for not a lot, and next season we go again in the championship, with a far on paper weaker team, a new manager, and Sports republic mediocrity for seasons to come. 

I reckon you're probably right. I get that vibe from a lot of players. Stephens, THB, Manning, Downes etc. 

[OneMrsWallace]

20 minutes ago, saintant said:

Time the coach and SR stopped insulting the intelligence of our fans. The team is serving up absolute dross every time they set foot on the pitch yet nothing is being done to resolve the obvious problems. Don't come out and give us the usual after match comments and take us for fools. Say it how it is for once and you will get more respect. The fan base has been far more patient than the club deserve. We all know it will be more of the same on Sunday against Boro. Don't tell us you are happy with the squad and that we don't need to do any business in the January window unless you are happy with the steaming shit we offer every game. The club is a joke and the fans deserve so much better but it'll never happen under Solak, Ankersen and the rest of the clowns.

The type of meaningless bull shit we're starting to hear this season from SR reminds me of the board under Michael Wilde all those years ago. I had first hand experience of their crap and they were a bunch of clueless clowns. Things just don't feel right. 

[Give it to Ron]

Only shining light today was Bragg a 7.5 Matsuki 6 rest 5 out of 10

[Whitey Grandad]

27 minutes ago, Appy said:

How can we literally have no other option than pass it around at the back and continue with three centre backs? 
 

 

Tonda is going to be an awful appointment isn’t he?

Did we have any shots at their goal, on target or otherwise?

[stfrancisofbenali]

41 minutes ago, Maury Dyer said:

So why after a good start, have we reverted to the shut old same tippy happy of the pa?st five years ???

I thought the bad times were over. Really elated. Now back to depression. Bastards.

7 games where we glimpsed a brave new dawn. Then the lights went out again. 

[stfrancisofbenali]

33 minutes ago, Appy said:

How can we literally have no other option than pass it around at the back and continue with three centre backs? 
 

 

Tonda is going to be an awful appointment isn’t he?

The first time a CB attempted a penetrative through-ball to break the lines was THB in injury time in the second half which immediately created a chance. Why do they feel that they can only try this at the death? 

[stfrancisofbenali]

10 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Only shining light today was Bragg a 7.5 Matsuki 6 rest 5 out of 10

Jelert was also good. 

[Osvaldorama]

28 minutes ago, Raging Bull said:

67% possession and nearly twice as many backward passes than milwall (86-45) says it all. 

We’re so easy to play against 

That’s so bad 😂

 

How can the manager say it was a good game? 
His comments simply don’t match what we are all watching 

[Hawkswood]

1 hour ago, Maury Dyer said:

So why after a good start, have we reverted to the shut old same tippy happy of the pa?st five years ???

I thought the bad times were over. Really elated. Now back to depression. Bastards.

Baffling to everyone I think

[saintant]

4 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

That’s so bad 😂

 

How can the manager say it was a good game? 
His comments simply don’t match what we are all watching 

This sort of thing is really both annoying and insulting. Tell the fucking truth.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Raging Bull said:

67% possession and nearly twice as many backward passes than milwall (86-45) says it all. 

We’re so easy to play against 

One time that made me laugh Jelert ran about 40 yards with the ball, got into their half then turn back and passed it back about 30 yards to another defender sums us up 

[Osvaldorama]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

One time that made me laugh Jelert ran about 40 yards with the ball, got into their half then turn back and passed it back about 30 yards to another defender sums us up 

The Southampton Way™

[The Wyvern]

1 hour ago, Appy said:

At least “Spin the Wheel” at half time was a roaring success 

That was awkward watching some of that, poor kids!

[Give it to Ron]

Some may feel Baz should be MOTM and great save but on 3 occasions we gifted corners where he could have come and caught it unchallenged.

Edited 21 hours ago by Give it to Ron

[Football Special]

16 minutes ago, Turkish said:

One time that made me laugh Jelert ran about 40 yards with the ball, got into their half then turn back and passed it back about 30 yards to another defender sums us up 

Our Russ would have loved that, in fact have Tonda and Russ ever been seen together at the same time? 

[bangkoksaint]

TBF great to see a team in red and white fight, scrap, run and give everything for the cause. Supporters must be very proud of them. We could learn so much from Sunderland 

[West Dean FC Legend]

Isn't it on record that the senior players said they are more 'comfortable' playing the possession style and tippy-tappy, or did I imagine that?

Some people have got stick for saying that they think SR and the players have influenced how we play regardless of the manager, but a few 'regulars' disappeared under Still - so did they argue and get dropped - we had the mystery 'the coach isn't popular' news item, which people said was Stephens, who was dropped at the time. Yet, the team goes back to this style of play eventually, and when they play a different way they don't seem to like it - I mean even the 5-1 thumping style lasted about two games.

You can call us conspiracy theorists, nutters, anything you want - but this team under SR ends up playing 3 CBs as soon as they can and loves tippy-tappy football. 

Until SR are completely gone, along with a lot of senior players, we are stuck with this crap.

To be honest this will be my last post for a while, I've lost interest in the football entirely and although this place is fun we are just talking in circles - nothing is going to change. Not. One. Thing.

[Gloucester Saint]

36 minutes ago, West Dean FC Legend said:

Isn't it on record that the senior players said they are more 'comfortable' playing the possession style and tippy-tappy, or did I imagine that?

Some people have got stick for saying that they think SR and the players have influenced how we play regardless of the manager, but a few 'regulars' disappeared under Still - so did they argue and get dropped - we had the mystery 'the coach isn't popular' news item, which people said was Stephens, who was dropped at the time. Yet, the team goes back to this style of play eventually, and when they play a different way they don't seem to like it - I mean even the 5-1 thumping style lasted about two games.

You can call us conspiracy theorists, nutters, anything you want - but this team under SR ends up playing 3 CBs as soon as they can and loves tippy-tappy football. 

Until SR are completely gone, along with a lot of senior players, we are stuck with this crap.

To be honest this will be my last post for a while, I've lost interest in the football entirely and although this place is fun we are just talking in circles - nothing is going to change. Not. One. Thing.

Very much my own sentiments - only watched after 20 mins or so today because Gary Anderson won his WDC QF and the next QF wasn’t on until 7.15 and Cheltenham were getting humped at Crewe. The Saints match was every bit as dreadful as I feared and I should have watched some of a box set instead. I can tolerate poor results but the boredom that comes from the corporate-imposed style of anti-football is like taking Valium. I can see why @John Boy Saint fell asleep in front of his log burner. There’s 30k mugs inside the stadium in the freezing cold who wished they could do the same and got ripped off by the club.

I’d much rather the club went bust than limped on under these charlatans for several more years. We might get a good buyer or not get one at all, but this is a living death slowly but surely with Rasmus’s hands around the club and city’s throat. It wasn’t great 2017-22 either but at least Ralph’s team generally gave their all, even if limited in ability and the Project Restart style was a great watch. Watching now is a punishment and life’s difficult enough these days.

I won’t watch regularly until SR are gone, lock stock and barrel. Life is too short to be bored senseless or made miserable by someone’s warped experiments however much the club meant once upon a time to my family. I’ll keep on the forum as a link to my place of birth and where I grew up as much as anything else.

I have no trust and confidence in SR whatsoever to turn this around and there is nothing they can do to persuade me of competence or capability. I’ll follow Cheltenham Town still but my interest in football is very limited now. Even major tournaments and England is tainted by FIFA’s behaviour. I was a STH for many years, home and away. It’s the youngsters I feel most sorry for. I have plenty of other leisure activities and sometimes forget the matches are even going on, but for them it’s big part of their growing up and life at school. Also, empathy with people working at the club and redundancies, plus the impact on the city economically of SR destroying the football club.

Edited 20 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[saint michael]

42 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Very much my own sentiments - only watched after 20 mins or so today because Gary Anderson won his WDC QF and the next QF wasn’t on until 7.15 and Cheltenham were getting humped at Crewe. The Saints match was every bit as dreadful as I feared and I should have watched some of a box set instead. I can tolerate poor results but the boredom that comes from the corporate-imposed style of anti-football is like taking Valium. I can see why @John Boy Saint fell asleep in front of his log burner. There’s 30k mugs inside the stadium in the freezing cold who wished they could do the same and got ripped off by the club.

I’d much rather the club went bust than limped on under these charlatans for several more years. We might get a good buyer or not get one at all, but this is a living death slowly but surely with Rasmus’s hands around the club and city’s throat. It wasn’t great 2017-22 either but at least Ralph’s team generally gave their all, even if limited in ability and the Project Restart style was a great watch. Watching now is a punishment and life’s difficult enough these days.

I won’t watch regularly until SR are gone, lock stock and barrel. Life is too short to be bored senseless or made miserable by someone’s warped experiments however much the club meant once upon a time to my family. I’ll keep on the forum as a link to my place of birth and where I grew up as much as anything else.

I have no trust and confidence in SR whatsoever to turn this around and there is nothing they can do to persuade me of competence or capability. I’ll follow Cheltenham Town still but my interest in football is very limited now. Even major tournaments and England is tainted by FIFA’s behaviour. I was a STH for many years, home and away. It’s the youngsters I feel most sorry for. I have plenty of other leisure activities and sometimes forget the matches are even going on, but for them it’s big part of their growing up and life at school. Also, empathy with people working at the club and redundancies, plus the impact on the city economically of SR destroying the football club.

I feel your pain my friend. Anyone who loves the club is struggling at the moment.  Ive seen some bad times over the years but just detest what this crowd are doing to the club that I started loving at 7. They are like a disease. Don’t let them succeed in destroying what you love. We just have to wait till they go and hope that something happens soon that loosens their control. 

[Vancouver Saint]

Ha! Didn't realise the game was on today and missed it completely - sounds like I missed nothing. I've been a Saints fan for 58 years - I never thought I'd be so disengaged in this club.

From a quick scan let me say let's get real on the Bazunu thing - two good saves in two games does not make him the top-of-the-Championship quality we need. 

No doubt this will give the management team a reason not to follow-through on getting the new 'keeper we so desperately need...unless someone tells me that deal has already been done?

[Saint Fan CaM]

Two observations watching that debacle…

1. It is as clear as day that SR/Spors are dictating possession based football, with the defensive line involved substantially in any build-up play.

2. The ‘5 at the back’-–is used a consequence of our defenders not being good enough to consistently delivering observation no.1.

A change of Manager will not sort out the above. No self-respecting Manager will work under the conditions offered by SR, hence the ‘yes men’ like RM, Still and Eckhert will continue to struggle. The team bar Manning, Stephens and a missing CF is good enough for a top 6 finish, but that will only happen if SR/Spors take the shackles off.

[lhammondo]

How were the U21's doing prior to this guy becoming the new manager?

It's undeniable that he had one of the best 'new manager bumps' we've had, but jesus christ, we look like turds in red & white since.

[East Kent Saint]

3 0-0s in the Prem , similar shots on target stats ! must be NYE hangover 😄

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I find his post match comments insulting and patronising.

Having endured the game at Oxford and yesterday it is utter tedious garbage and yet he tells me it's all OK?

After the draw at St Andrews he said if we pick up 3 points v Millwall it would have been a good point. After the game today he said if we win at Middlesborough then the point v Millwall there would be positives from the game. It's basically AI generated surely?

Edited 10 hours ago by Fitzhugh Fella

[Appy]

11 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I find his post match comments insulting and patronising.

Having endured the game at Oxford and yesterday it is utter tedious garbage and yet he tells me it's all OK?

After the draw at St Andrews he said if we pick up 3 points v Millwall it would have been a good point. After the game today he said if we win at Middlesborough then the point v Millwall there would be positives from the game. It's basically AI generated surely?

Exactly, Will Still was crap but at least he said when it wasn’t good enough, we’re just being gaslit by SR’s yes man. 

[E_H_Saints]

11 hours ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

7 games where we glimpsed a brave new dawn. Then the lights went out again. 

I agree, however I think teams called our bluff for the first few games.  Then we proved we could be dangerous running at players so now teams sit back which means the game is less expansive.  We pass backwards and sideways as there is no space.  Our players are predictable in no space situations, other teams let us pass around knowing there is a mistake coming.  Manning for example only looks good when he is running forward into space otherwise he can't take anyone on.

What does confuse me is HTB has stopped dribbling into space so that someone has to shut him down which causes space and confusion for the other team.  He has reverted to sitting still with the ball under his feet and passing sideways to Woods or Stephens.

No spark or unpredictable play other than Scienza which isn't our biggest downfall.  

[bangkoksaint]

10 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Very much my own sentiments - only watched after 20 mins or so today because Gary Anderson won his WDC QF and the next QF wasn’t on until 7.15 and Cheltenham were getting humped at Crewe. The Saints match was every bit as dreadful as I feared and I should have watched some of a box set instead. I can tolerate poor results but the boredom that comes from the corporate-imposed style of anti-football is like taking Valium. I can see why @John Boy Saint fell asleep in front of his log burner. There’s 30k mugs inside the stadium in the freezing cold who wished they could do the same and got ripped off by the club.

I’d much rather the club went bust than limped on under these charlatans for several more years. We might get a good buyer or not get one at all, but this is a living death slowly but surely with Rasmus’s hands around the club and city’s throat. It wasn’t great 2017-22 either but at least Ralph’s team generally gave their all, even if limited in ability and the Project Restart style was a great watch. Watching now is a punishment and life’s difficult enough these days.

I won’t watch regularly until SR are gone, lock stock and barrel. Life is too short to be bored senseless or made miserable by someone’s warped experiments however much the club meant once upon a time to my family. I’ll keep on the forum as a link to my place of birth and where I grew up as much as anything else.

I have no trust and confidence in SR whatsoever to turn this around and there is nothing they can do to persuade me of competence or capability. I’ll follow Cheltenham Town still but my interest in football is very limited now. Even major tournaments and England is tainted by FIFA’s behaviour. I was a STH for many years, home and away. It’s the youngsters I feel most sorry for. I have plenty of other leisure activities and sometimes forget the matches are even going on, but for them it’s big part of their growing up and life at school. Also, empathy with people working at the club and redundancies, plus the impact on the city economically of SR destroying the football club.

Good to see my local boys give your local boys one hell of a humping!!

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

Good to see my local boys give your local boys one hell of a humping!!

Crewe I take it? Cheltenham’s miracle form under Stevie Cotterill couldn’t last forever. Wasn’t sure where Crewe were in the table but 10th so could make the play offs. They looked a decent and organised outfit. Remember Saints winning in a cup replay there mid-90s after the first game at the Dell was pp due to frozen fire. 🧯 

[notnowcato]

13 hours ago, Raging Bull said:

67% possession and nearly twice as many backward passes than milwall (86-45) says it all. 

We’re so easy to play against 

Fuck me Millwall must be really shit as they had a higher percentage of back passes… I’d be fuming if I were them. 

[macca155]

Towards the end yesterday, the crowd were getting vocal about the slow ponderous play. The players could sense it and I bet SR execs could hear it.

Last time that happened we had the ridiculous resigning of Romeu, a pathetic attempt to keep the crowd quiet. That backfired, so goodness knows what stunt they'll pull next.

Can't wait to complete my match day experience survey. 

Clearly Tonda is being micro managed from above, and given corporate AI shit to spout after every match.

'If we beat Middlesbrough, all will be well' ... wel that's not happening. Boro will know exactly how to neutralise Saints. So that's bollocks.

Yet in this mad league, a run of a few wins will transform the season. Like everyone I have zero faith in SR to enable that, but trying not to give up just yet.

 

[InvictaSaint]

9 minutes ago, macca155 said:

Towards the end yesterday, the crowd were getting vocal about the slow ponderous play. The players could sense it and I bet SR execs could hear it.

Last time that happened we had the ridiculous resigning of Romeu, a pathetic attempt to keep the crowd quiet. That backfired, so goodness knows what stunt they'll pull next.

Can't wait to complete my match day experience survey. 

Clearly Tonda is being micro managed from above, and given corporate AI shit to spout after every match.

'If we beat Middlesbrough, all will be well' ... wel that's not happening. Boro will know exactly how to neutralise Saints. So that's bollocks.

Yet in this mad league, a run of a few wins will transform the season. Like everyone I have zero faith in SR to enable that, but trying not to give up just yet.

 

Macca, your first para is very interesting and chimes entirely with my feelings. The Northam where I stand was getting very frustrated with the slow, ponderous psssing and the lack of urgency towards the end of the second half. There was also a sizeable number of boos at the end. Interesting too that no player came anywhere near us at the end, with just short half-hearted clapping from our side of the halfway line. And that included TE.
My point is that much more of this tedious negative shit and the tide will turn again. SR will have nowhere to hide this time, and things could get nasty very quickly. I can certainly see crowds dropping below 27k very soon if this continues. Like you, I haven’t given up all hope yet and this league is so tight, a few wins can have you right back in the mix (not that I think we’re anywhere near being ready to go up, but we need to be playing for something). But I need my faith restoring, and soon. 

[so22saint]

14 minutes ago, macca155 said:

Towards the end yesterday, the crowd were getting vocal about the slow ponderous play. The players could sense it and I bet SR execs could hear it.

Last time that happened we had the ridiculous resigning of Romeu, a pathetic attempt to keep the crowd quiet. That backfired, so goodness knows what stunt they'll pull next.

Can't wait to complete my match day experience survey. 

Clearly Tonda is being micro managed from above, and given corporate AI shit to spout after every match.

'If we beat Middlesbrough, all will be well' ... wel that's not happening. Boro will know exactly how to neutralise Saints. So that's bollocks.

Yet in this mad league, a run of a few wins will transform the season. Like everyone I have zero faith in SR to enable that, but trying not to give up just yet.

 

"Sport Republic, get out of our club" seems to be the only chant they respond too.  Would be a bit harsh on Tonda but then why appoint him permanently anyway - just see out the season with an interim and move on.

Most annoying is that the fucking skates will beat us at theirs, we'll stay up but they'll go down and then it'll be years of bragging rights for the web fingered cunts about "the miracle at Nottarf Krap"

[hypochondriac]

13 hours ago, saintant said:

Time the coach and SR stopped insulting the intelligence of our fans. The team is serving up absolute dross every time they set foot on the pitch yet nothing is being done to resolve the obvious problems. Don't come out and give us the usual after match comments and take us for fools. Say it how it is for once and you will get more respect. The fan base has been far more patient than the club deserve. We all know it will be more of the same on Sunday against Boro. Don't tell us you are happy with the squad and that we don't need to do any business in the January window unless you are happy with the steaming shit we offer every game. The club is a joke and the fans deserve so much better but it'll never happen under Solak, Ankersen and the rest of the clowns.

Tonda said he was happy and that it wasn't a poor game of football. Either he believes that which is unbelievable or he's just saying it in the post match interviews which means they aren't valuable in the slightest. I don't believe he's stupid, he must see the difference between performances from a month ago and now. What has changed?

[M271]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Crewe I take it? Cheltenham’s miracle form under Stevie Cotterill couldn’t last forever. Wasn’t sure where Crewe were in the table but 10th so could make the play offs. They looked a decent and organised outfit. Remember Saints winning in a cup replay there mid-90s after the first game at the Dell was pp due to frozen fire. 🧯 

I live close to Crewe after moving up from Southampton in the mid 1980s and have followed their ups and downs. I went to the rearranged fa cup game mid week in 1996, I travelled on a Crewe supporters coach and stood with them for the match (they knew that I was a Saints fan).

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, M271 said:

I live close to Crewe after moving up from Southampton in the mid 1980s and have followed their ups and downs. I went to the rearranged fa cup game mid week in 1996, I travelled on a Crewe supporters coach and stood with them for the match (they knew that I was a Saints fan).

Remember that well, Crewe gave us a good game 

they do have the most depressing banner I’ve seen at football though 

“Born in Crewe, Live in Crewe, Die in Crewe” 

[S-Clarke]

3 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I find his post match comments insulting and patronising.

Having endured the game at Oxford and yesterday it is utter tedious garbage and yet he tells me it's all OK?

After the draw at St Andrews he said if we pick up 3 points v Millwall it would have been a good point. After the game today he said if we win at Middlesborough then the point v Millwall there would be positives from the game. It's basically AI generated surely?

Exactly this, I know a lot of people didn't rate Will Still but he at least was straight talking - he told it how it was, if it was shit he'd say it was in certain words. I always thought Still saw the same game as me and the supporters, he just wasn't able to change it unfortunately. 

Now with Tonda, he's doing the thing I hate most in any manager. Trying to create an illusion of positively by frankly lying to the supporters faces. No one can get behind someone who sees an entirely different game than the one we've paid to watch. He said it was a good performance yesterday and that there were lots of positives - major, major alarm bells from that. He doesn't see what we see, which means nothing is going to change.

He's probably fooling himself by thinking we're dominant because THB, Stephens and Wood pass it between each other for 70 mins, but we can all see through that bullshit.

[Osvaldorama]

3 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Exactly this, I know a lot of people didn't rate Will Still but he at least was straight talking - he told it how it was, if it was shit he'd say it was in certain words. I always thought Still saw the same game as me and the supporters, he just wasn't able to change it unfortunately. 

Now with Tonda, he's doing the thing I hate most in any manager. Trying to create an illusion of positively by frankly lying to the supporters faces. No one can get behind someone who sees an entirely different game than the one we've paid to watch. He said it was a good performance yesterday and that there were lots of positives - major, major alarm bells from that. He doesn't see what we see, which means nothing is going to change.

He's probably fooling himself by thinking we're dominant because THB, Stephens and Wood pass it between each other for 70 mins, but we can all see through that bullshit.

Agree. Gaslighting everyone helps nothing. 

[Hawkswood]

13 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Very much my own sentiments - only watched after 20 mins or so today because Gary Anderson won his WDC QF and the next QF wasn’t on until 7.15 and Cheltenham were getting humped at Crewe. The Saints match was every bit as dreadful as I feared and I should have watched some of a box set instead. I can tolerate poor results but the boredom that comes from the corporate-imposed style of anti-football is like taking Valium. I can see why @John Boy Saint fell asleep in front of his log burner. There’s 30k mugs inside the stadium in the freezing cold who wished they could do the same and got ripped off by the club.

I’d much rather the club went bust than limped on under these charlatans for several more years. We might get a good buyer or not get one at all, but this is a living death slowly but surely with Rasmus’s hands around the club and city’s throat. It wasn’t great 2017-22 either but at least Ralph’s team generally gave their all, even if limited in ability and the Project Restart style was a great watch. Watching now is a punishment and life’s difficult enough these days.

I won’t watch regularly until SR are gone, lock stock and barrel. Life is too short to be bored senseless or made miserable by someone’s warped experiments however much the club meant once upon a time to my family. I’ll keep on the forum as a link to my place of birth and where I grew up as much as anything else.

I have no trust and confidence in SR whatsoever to turn this around and there is nothing they can do to persuade me of competence or capability. I’ll follow Cheltenham Town still but my interest in football is very limited now. Even major tournaments and England is tainted by FIFA’s behaviour. I was a STH for many years, home and away. It’s the youngsters I feel most sorry for. I have plenty of other leisure activities and sometimes forget the matches are even going on, but for them it’s big part of their growing up and life at school. Also, empathy with people working at the club and redundancies, plus the impact on the city economically of SR destroying the football club.

This echoes an awful lot of how Ive felt about it for a few years now. Luckily ( well I say luckily) Im nearly 50 and have other interests to keep me occupied. When I was in my early teens and 20s this club meant an awful lot to me but things happen in life that put football into perspective so thankfully the clubs results dont weigh on me as heavily as they used to. I , like you, feel sorry for the youngsters who put so much emotion into the club.....I was the same.

Its just all very, meh, to me these days. I started to refuse giving the club any of my money a bit of time ago. But that's just how I feel about it and not a judgement on other people.

[Whitey Grandad]

23 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Remember that well, Crewe gave us a good game 

they do have the most depressing banner I’ve seen at football though 

“Born in Crewe, Live in Crewe, Die in Crewe” 

In very close succession. 

Cause of death, "Boredom"