The Spygate Saga

[Maggie May]

3 minutes ago, carljack said:

I have not heard anybody talk about where this leaves the FAs fit and proper persons test,surely the owners of MC should be excluded from going anywhere near a Football Club in England and one could argue any business,Abramovich was made to sell Chelski.This goes far beyond Football,it stinks !

The fit and proper persons test is down to the Premier League.

[carljack]

Just now, Maggie May said:

The fit and proper persons test is down to the Premier League.

Sorry I thought the FA also had a FPPT test,but surely Fraud and/or corruption has taken place here,I am not sure it is legal to disguise payments in any UK business,how many of us have worked or do work in industries where we have to know your client and the source of their funds for any sort of financial transaction.I am sure our legal eagles can run the rule over this.OWTS !

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, bangkoksaint said:

I have some sympathy for City fans. Like us the club have committed a rules breach and ultimately it’s the fans that suffer. 

What percentage of City fans are true, lifelong City fans? They must have a core of die hards but their fan base seems to be dominated by tourists and glory hunters? 

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

1 hour ago, Jack said:

Yeah must be terrible going from mid table dross to winning everything for a decade

Poor sods were complaining about having to travel to Wembley too often as well.

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the City fans!

[Toussaint]

Maybe it’s about time our football was run like American football or Australian rules football, salary caps, squad caps, home grown player requirements and so on, the premier league is now beyond ridiculous, the rich have got so much richer and the ladder has been well and truly pulled up. Where there are such huge sums of money there will always be corruption. 

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Maybe it’s about time our football was run like American football or Australian rules football, salary caps, squad caps, home grown player requirements and so on, the premier league is now beyond ridiculous, the rich have got so much richer and the ladder has been well and truly pulled up. Where there are such huge sums of money there will always be corruption. 

That is a football pyramid, right?

compare us to Barnet or Bromley and see what is fair and what isn’t.

[The Kraken]

5 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Maybe it’s about time our football was run like American football or Australian rules football, salary caps, squad caps, home grown player requirements and so on, the premier league is now beyond ridiculous, the rich have got so much richer and the ladder has been well and truly pulled up. Where there are such huge sums of money there will always be corruption. 

I don’t think a US system would have stopped this. City are guilty of over inflating sponsorship deals, and also of paying substantial sums to club staff through other companies outside of the City group, so that those wages don’t appear in PSR calculations. It’s skullduggery on an obscene level to cheat the financial rules already in place.

[trousers]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

That is a football pyramid, right?

Yes, as long as you put a passive-agressive ", right?" at the end of every question...

Edited 9 hours ago by trousers

[Whitey Grandad]

51 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

That is a football pyramid, right?

compare us to Barnet or Bromley and see what is fair and what isn’t.

But a pyramid that's not set in stone. 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

Maybe it’s about time our football was run like American football or Australian rules football, salary caps, squad caps, home grown player requirements and so on, the premier league is now beyond ridiculous, the rich have got so much richer and the ladder has been well and truly pulled up. Where there are such huge sums of money there will always be corruption. 

That's why the European super league could be a good thing. 

[Mr X]

2 hours ago, Toussaint said:

What percentage of City fans are true, lifelong City fans? They must have a core of die hards but their fan base seems to be dominated by tourists and glory hunters? 

Same for all the big clubs in the premier league very few live anywhere near the club they support.... Aka glory hunters I find it weird but each to their own 

[macca155]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

That's why the European super league could be a good thing. 

Not as an exclusive entity as originally intended, but there is a case for extending the pyramid another notch.

As long as it is accessible to everyone, it would vastly improve the Premier league, as that would become a bit more wild west like the Championship.

You can imagine that quality run clubs, like Brentford or Brighton, having a real dig at the title. Plus teams like Saints wouldn't have to pile on debt to survive in the top division. 

[sockeye]

14 minutes ago, macca155 said:

Not as an exclusive entity as originally intended, but there is a case for extending the pyramid another notch.

As long as it is accessible to everyone, it would vastly improve the Premier league, as that would become a bit more wild west like the Championship.

You can imagine that quality run clubs, like Brentford or Brighton, having a real dig at the title. Plus teams like Saints wouldn't have to pile on debt to survive in the top division. 

A bit cynical, but the idea is like a playground for the minnows to wear the king's crown for a day whilst the fat cats get fatter.

Being in the PL as is at least gives us the ability to make the giants wobble.

[Saint Fan CaM]

58 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Same for all the big clubs in the premier league very few live anywhere near the club they support.... Aka glory hunters I find it weird but each to their own 

Or perhaps they support their home team but prefer not to live in a northern shit-hole? Just a thought.

[CB Fry]

8 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Or perhaps they support their home team but prefer not to live in a northern shit-hole? Just a thought.

Yeah that's definitely how it works for all the United/City/Liverpool fans in Somerset and Berkshire. They're all born and bred Northerners who just happen to have moved to Bracknell.

[warsash saint]

4 hours ago, Toussaint said:

What percentage of City fans are true, lifelong City fans? They must have a core of die hards but their fan base seems to be dominated by tourists and glory hunters? 

Exactly - the last time we played them in the Premier League, their place was worse than Old Trafford & Anfield for tourists (& that's saying something!!)

[Saint Marky]

While we have basically been hung drawn and quartered and are still awaiting tondas fate, as the judge gets measured for his black cap. Then you look at the punishments they have dished out to us (so far and yes a different board), I personally think they’ve totally fucked themselves.
Year upon year of systematic cheating, the blatant overspending to buy success, denying others a fair chance at the cups and titles and champions league…. oh dear city, you are finished as a football entity, because obviously using the scale of judgement against us and punishments applied,  I’m extremely confident the same totally over the top scale will be applied to City, yeah fucking right…..

[Lord Duckhunter]

The rules are a load of fucking pony anyway. All this pearl clutching in the media about City & how they’ve “cheated”. The rules are only in place to protect the established clubs, who spent what they wanted historically and now want to pull up the drawbridge behind them. 
 

Theres absolutely no punishment they can come up with which will make any City fan think “I wish we hadn’t won all those premier league’s, cups and the champions league, it just wasn’t worth it, look where we are now”. If they think they can find a suitable punishment, then my cocks a carrot. The whole thing is a friggin farce. 

[Zorba]

6 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

But a pyramid that's not set in stone. 

That’s Pharaoh nuff, Giza.

[Barton Saint]

There is a much higher percentage of City fans who live in Greater Manchester than United for sure

[UpweySaint]

36 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The rules are a load of fucking pony anyway. All this pearl clutching in the media about City & how they’ve “cheated”. The rules are only in place to protect the established clubs, who spent what they wanted historically and now want to pull up the drawbridge behind them. 
 

Theres absolutely no punishment they can come up with which will make any City fan think “I wish we hadn’t won all those premier league’s, cups and the champions league, it just wasn’t worth it, look where we are now”. If they think they can find a suitable punishment, then my cocks a carrot. The whole thing is a friggin farce. 

The snowmen round your way must be obscene 

[Dan Johnson]

3 hours ago, Saint Marky said:

using the scale of judgement against us and punishments applied

Our punishment was handed to us by the EFL, not the FA.

We haven’t received, as yet, any punishment from the FA. 

[Turkish]

Without cheating Saints have been deducted 14 points in total in our history. Can you name the 5 teams who have been deducted more. 
this does not include Swindon who were relegated two divisions but did not face a point deduction 

[Saint Marky]

1 hour ago, Dan Johnson said:

Our punishment was handed to us by the EFL, not the FA.

We haven’t received, as yet, any punishment from the FA. 

Fuck me, that’s what I posted.

[Badger]

14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Without cheating Saints have been deducted 14 points in total in our history. Can you name the 5 teams who have been deducted more. 
this does not include Swindon who were relegated two divisions but did not face a point deduction 

Luton, Sheff Weds spring to mind.

Skates ? 

[Charlie Wayman]

5 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Or perhaps they support their home team but prefer not to live in a northern shit-hole? Just a thought.

I support Southampton but would hate to live in the City. Maybe not a SH as you call it but not far off.

From what is revealed on this forum not many contributors live anywhere near Southampton either.

 

When the dust has settled on the whole ManC affair, we will remember the very high standards of football that they achieved when literally money was no object and they had the pick of the world's best talent.