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According to Transfermarket, we paid £900,000 for Juan when his market value was £800,000, sold him for £900,000 when his market value was £2,500,000 and now his market value is £12,000,000.  Didn't we do well?

Anyway, a more Saintsy signing than buying Juan back from Goztepe would be Evan Ferguson, who is 21, and therefore young, hungry and guaranteed to improve, and, more importantly, injured and not expected to play for another month or two or evan three.  Veritably, a perfect fit for us.

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21 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Transfermarket'e göre, Juan'ı piyasa değeri 800.000 £ iken 900.000 £'a aldık, piyasa değeri 2.500.000 £ iken 900.000 £'a sattık ve şimdi piyasa değeri 12.000.000 £. İyi iş çıkarmadık mı?

Neyse, Juan'ı Göztepe'den geri almak yerine, 21 yaşında olan, dolayısıyla genç, hırslı ve kesinlikle gelişecek olan, daha da önemlisi sakatlığı nedeniyle bir iki hatta üç ay daha oynaması beklenmeyen Evan Ferguson'u transfer etmek daha uygun olurdu. Gerçekten de bizim için mükemmel bir seçim.

We could have signed Juan directly from São Paulo; €900,000 is a very small sum—São Paulo fans used to mock him, calling him a "catfish." We took a risk and worked on his development for two years, yet he never even set foot in the Southampton facilities.

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10 minutes ago, Göztepe said:

We could have signed Juan directly from São Paulo; €900,000 is a very small sum—São Paulo fans used to mock him, calling him a "catfish." We took a risk and worked on his development for two years, yet he never even set foot in the Southampton facilities.

yes, but saints signed him...

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Seems to be players we fought tooth and nail to get decent fees for last year are now fetching more than twice as much one year later - Fernandes, Tall Paul and probably Ballard. Waiting for Dibling, Sulemana, Bella Kotcha and Edward’s to go for extraordinary fees…..!

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10 hours ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

According to Transfermarket, we paid £900,000 for Juan when his market value was £800,000, sold him for £900,000 when his market value was £2,500,000 and now his market value is £12,000,000.  Didn't we do well?

Anyway, a more Saintsy signing than buying Juan back from Goztepe would be Evan Ferguson, who is 21, and therefore young, hungry and guaranteed to improve, and, more importantly, injured and not expected to play for another month or two or evan three.  Veritably, a perfect fit for us.

Absolutely awesome news and justification, if ever it was needed, of the efficacy of the multi club model.

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32 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Absolutely awesome news and justification, if ever it was needed, of the efficacy of the multi club model.

yes, but as our Turkish supporting cousin has informed us, he never set foot in any of our facilities...so an even bigger win for us

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12 hours ago, Göztepe said:

We could have signed Juan directly from São Paulo; €900,000 is a very small sum—São Paulo fans used to mock him, calling him a "catfish." We took a risk and worked on his development for two years, yet he never even set foot in the Southampton facilities.

It does beg the question why you didn’t. I’m broadly pro multi club model in theory but I don’t understand the way the Juan deal worked. Sharing players, expertise, networks etc I’m on board with but the Juan deal felt odd.

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2 minutes ago, BS8Saint said:

FootyInsider reporting that Ross Stewart close to joining Swansea…

 

What a strange move!!

He's already joined Blackburn?

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Assumed he was going to go to Scotland which would've been fair enough.

Going to a much worse Championship team is really strange though. He must have really taken issue with us delaying the contract talks, which was a fully understandable move from our side.

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6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Absolutely bizarre that he'd rather be there than here 

I suspect its more that they're willing to offer more than the 1 year we are. 

To be fair, I get it from his persepctive, he's probably 1 injury away from being done all together. 

I would imagine when we left the club a couple of months back, he'd have expected to land a better gig than Swansea. 

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2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He's got to have his medical yet...

Ross has asked if our club doctor can conduct it instead of Swansea's.

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Well that’s a surprise. Moving further away from home to a lesser team. I hope we have a good replacement lined up and that’s the position we are close to announcing.

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2 minutes ago, Themotherfunky said:

Do we reckon Ross was one of the players supposedly livid after the verdict came through? 

 Doesn't make sense that he'd be choosing to go elsewhere if that wasn't the case..

Not sure why as he wouldn't be playing in the prem anyway. 

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3 minutes ago, Themotherfunky said:

Do we reckon Ross was one of the players supposedly livid after the verdict came through? 

 Doesn't make sense that he'd be choosing to go elsewhere if that wasn't the case..

Personally I think Swansea were offering a longer deal. If I were Spors I'd only be offering a year's contract with an extension activated upon promotion.

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2 minutes ago, Themotherfunky said:

Do we reckon Ross was one of the players supposedly livid after the verdict came through? 

 Doesn't make sense that he'd be choosing to go elsewhere if that wasn't the case..

Sounds that way, but why would he expect to play in the prem when he can't even be available to play anyway?! He probably didn't realise he'd have to take such a large pay cut to join a Scottish team and had burnt his bridges with us a bit...!

Now watch us sign someone who's never been injured and does his ACL in the first match. 

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2 minutes ago, Themotherfunky said:

Do we reckon Ross was one of the players supposedly livid after the verdict came through? 

 Doesn't make sense that he'd be choosing to go elsewhere if that wasn't the case..

I think it’s more about contract length than anything else. He seemed very keen to stay on all the club videos around the fa cup semi. 

We had a clause, it was no longer valid. He’s going where the longer contract is due to his fitness challenges. No player is choosing Swansea over Saints for any other reason at this moment in time.

Game of chicken won or lost here?

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Not saying it now just because, as I've been against signing Stewart back up all summer. Always said he's a good player and if he could stay fit he'd be a 20 goal Championship striker. However, the issue lies in that he can't stay fit. Signing Stewart again would leave us with just Larin as our only physical option up front for weeks on end next season and would be very reliant on Larin remaining fit, as Stewart picks up a lot of knocks throughout the season, even in the last one.

Stewart bagged 9 league goals over 3 years. If he was fit he'd have got more, but he wasn't and didn't. Larin scored 8 in 16 games. Stewart's best league scoring season was last season, where he bagged 8, which again Larin equalled in 16 games.

Now, depending on us not signing another Damion Downs then Stewart's goal return is very replaceable. You just have to trust that the scouting department, who have done well recently are capable of finding another striker who can bag 8 goals, or more next season.

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15 minutes ago, saintant said:

It's a figure of speech.

Normally you need some sort of evidence to come to that conclusion. I've seen nothing to suggest that we didn't want him and a fair bit to suggest we did, we just didn't want to offer him a longer contract given his history.

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8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Normally you need some sort of evidence to come to that conclusion. I've seen nothing to suggest that we didn't want him and a fair but to suggest we did, we just didn't want to offer him a longer contract given his history.

And the fact he’s 30 or coming up for, so his injury history will likely get worse than better. 

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I'm fine with him not coming here. The issue is we will now need to spend some proper money in a position that we could have sorted for no transfer outlay. It's also a risk getting in an unknown. We can't afford another damion downs and it's really important we get someone in who can perform at least reasonably in this league. 

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Shame, I'd have taken him back.  He's a very good goal scorer at this level, knows the club and how we want to play and back end of last season showed that you probably can manage his minutes and keep him fit.  Plus he would have been cheaper than getting someone else in.  I get the worry about injury but I'd probably have taken it over the risk we sign another BBD, Downs, Mara or Archer (and yeah, I know they weren't all signed under Spors).

Hopefully we can get someone decent in.  Wasn't particularly impressed by the link with the Spanish lad on loan to Ipswich last season.

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Personally I’d have offered him a two year deal, think we’ll regret this one. Him and Larin were great for one another. On multiple occasions one would be having a bad game and the other would have an impact from bench. Genuinely upset he’s not back. 
 

Hope we have something better lined up. 

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50 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

Not saying it now just because, as I've been against signing Stewart back up all summer. Always said he's a good player and if he could stay fit he'd be a 20 goal Championship striker. However, the issue lies in that he can't stay fit. Signing Stewart again would leave us with just Larin as our only physical option up front for weeks on end next season and would be very reliant on Larin remaining fit, as Stewart picks up a lot of knocks throughout the season, even in the last one.

Stewart bagged 9 league goals over 3 years. If he was fit he'd have got more, but he wasn't and didn't. Larin scored 8 in 16 games. Stewart's best league scoring season was last season, where he bagged 8, which again Larin equalled in 16 games.

Now, depending on us not signing another Damion Downs then Stewart's goal return is very replaceable. You just have to trust that the scouting department, who have done well recently are capable of finding another striker who can bag 8 goals, or more next season.

 

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1 hour ago, goodymatt said:

Great signing for Swansea btw, Stewart and Vipotnik is decent firepower and they should be able to manage his mins appropriately.

They are putting together a decent side under the radar. J.Opoku in particular could be a star in the championship. If it clicks for them, they'll be fighting for playoffs this year.

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2 minutes ago, SouthWalesSaints said:

Personally I’d have offered him a two year deal, think we’ll regret this one. Him and Larin were great for one another. On multiple occasions one would be having a bad game and the other would have an impact from bench. Genuinely upset he’s not back. 
 

Hope we have something better lined up. 

Same. He’s top quality for the Championship and would have been a free. Not overly confident as SR have had a huge blind spot for strikers. Unless we are going after a proven striker in this league like Vipotnik then it’ll be a gamble. The Ipswich loanee sounded promising but if we are serious about promotion we need better. I worried the Stewart deal was off when Tonda started talking up the possibility of BBD staying. 

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We were the best team in the Championship from January onwards. 

He played his part in this with the rotation partnership with Larin 

Including goals against Arsenal and Fulham in the cup.

He'll be hard to replace..we might well regret not getting him back

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10 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

They are putting together a decent side under the radar. J.Opoku in particular could be a star in the championship. If it clicks for them, they'll be fighting for playoffs this year.

I thought Stewart is to replace Vipotnik, who is off to Portugal?

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1 minute ago, skintsaint said:

I thought Stewart is to replace Vipotnik, who is off to Portugal?

Haven't seen that. If he is for sale then we should be all over it 🤷

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Haven't seen that. If he is for sale then we should be all over it 🤷

100%. Worth remembering that we are going to be competing for autos, starting on -4, with West Ham Who have Bowen up front and Wolves who have Jimenez. Larin is great but we need someone who will get us 20/25 to be able to compete.

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5 minutes ago, James said:

100%. Worth remembering that we are going to be competing for autos, starting on -4, with West Ham Who have Bowen up front and Wolves who have Jimenez. Larin is great but we need someone who will get us 20/25 to be able to compete.

Not necessarily. Our goals last season were largely spread across the whole team and if we keep Scienza, Azaz, Matsuki and now we've added Dobbin I don't see why they can't be spread across the whole team again - and we would have gone up last season if it hadn't been for Still and Spygate. Larin will get more with a full season too. A second striker that will score 10-15 would do but it's not the end of the world if they don't, as long as someone else is scoring.

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1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

He isn’t coming here and we can’t afford him.

Perhaps, but you seem overly negative this summer - I wouldn't be so quick to rule out any big signings.

I.e., last year we took azaz and fellows (key players) from established championship clubs... We will likely be selling Charles for £25M+, potentially losing some of THB, Scienza, or Jander for big money, and almost certainly seeing the backs of the likes of BBD, Archer, Ramsdale, Bazunu etc. we've also had the Fernandes money come in, as well as seeing the likes of macca and aribo off the wage bill 🤷.

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