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Posted
12 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

So, we've lost Stewart and Charles from last year. Anyone else? Toward end of last season the squad was purring. I expected more departures by now, but starting look like most will stay. Replace the two outs and surely that's enough? :D

Depends on who and what we replace them with.

A reliable back up GK would be useful too. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Badger said:

Depends on who and what we replace them with.

A reliable back up GK would be useful too. 

We just signed George Long. 0 chance this happens.

Posted
23 minutes ago, Dman said:

We just signed George Long. 0 chance this happens.

I think Alfie House was saying a few weeks ago that they're expecting another GK to come in once they shift Ramsdale and Bazunu. Probably a younger GK with Long as the veteran of the group of three senior pros

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Posted
52 minutes ago, Badger said:

Depends on who and what we replace them with.

A reliable back up GK would be useful too. 

Probably paying Ramsdale and Baz over 100k a week at the moment between them. No other keepers coming in till they go I expect.

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Posted
3 hours ago, Dman said:

We just signed George Long. 0 chance this happens.

Long was essentially signed as third choice last season as I recall.

Reading the Norwich fans reviews it seems he’s fine providing not called upon to play. He might be great as a training partner but if Petetz is injured or suspended then we could be buggered.
 

Need an option we’re confident of playing if needed.

Fully agree with later comments that we need to move Ramsdale and Bazunu on first though. Especially Ramsdale with the salary burden.  

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Badger said:

Long was essentially signed as third choice last season as I recall.

Reading the Norwich fans reviews it seems he’s fine providing not called upon to play.

😀😀😀

Posted
29 minutes ago, Badger said:

Long was essentially signed as third choice last season as I recall.

Reading the Norwich fans reviews it seems he’s fine providing not called upon to play. He might be great as a training partner but if Petetz is injured or suspended then we could be buggered.
 

Need an option we’re confident of playing if needed.

Fully agree with later comments that we need to move Ramsdale and Bazunu on first though. Especially Ramsdale with the salary burden.  

I remember when it was the rage to state Long was brought in for Keeper practice and help put the cones out. 

Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Probably paying Ramsdale and Baz over 100k a week at the moment between them. No other keepers coming in till they go I expect.

Bloody hell, I forgot Ramsdale was still here. If he doesn't find a new club he'll have to play! But who is better, him or Peretz.

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Posted
7 hours ago, BotleySaint said:

Bloody hell, I forgot Ramsdale was still here. If he doesn't find a new club he'll have to play! But who is better, him or Peretz.

Peretz is better and actually wants to play for the club. 

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Posted

Please don’t dick up this striker signing.

Spunk up some cash and use him to play in the EPL next season when we go up.

Need to keep an eye on strikers coming into to other clubs as that should be a sign they have their own replacement.

 

Posted
3 hours ago, coalman said:

Peretz is better and actually wants to play for the club. 

Do we actually know Ramsdales thoughts? I know he went to Newcastle but who wouldn't jump at a chance for an instant return to the Prem.

Posted
1 hour ago, Pilchards said:

Please don’t dick up this striker signing.

Spunk up some cash and use him to play in the EPL next season when we go up.

Ah, you just know we'll either sign nobody or someone you've never heard of. It is our way.. (see: Larin)

Posted
1 minute ago, BotleySaint said:

Ah, you just know we'll either sign nobody or someone you've never heard of. It is our way.. (see: Larin)

I guess we never knew who Jander, Scienza & Peretz was before they signed so you could be right.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

Do we actually know Ramsdales thoughts? I know he went to Newcastle but who wouldn't jump at a chance for an instant return to the Prem.

I expect it was also largely driven by the club wanting/needing to get his wages off the books to assemble a squad for the Championship. But inevitably loads of people have just lazily concluded that he's a bad apple / uncommitted, and use that as a stick to beat him with.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

Do we actually know Ramsdales thoughts? I know he went to Newcastle but who wouldn't jump at a chance for an instant return to the Prem.

He didn't jump at the chance to play. He spent most of the season on the bench. Those were his thoughts. He chose bench for Newcastle over trying to help us get back up. 

On the other hand, Peretz wanted to sign permanently after his loan despite what happened at the end of last season and us not getting promoted.

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Posted

I completely missed this:

Daouda Traoré
 
FRA
Midfielder
Southampton to Le Mans

Box-to-box midfielder, 20, joins Ligue 1 newcomers on loan with option to buy after previous stints at Valenciennes, Betis and Bari

Posted
45 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

I completely missed this:

 

Daouda Traoré
 
FRA
Midfielder
Southampton to Le Mans

Box-to-box midfielder, 20, joins Ligue 1 newcomers on loan with option to buy after previous stints at Valenciennes, Betis and Bari

So having already loaned out JRob to Monza, we've now sent this lad off to Le Mans.

Either we're in a race to get rid of them. Or we're hoping they will come back with big improvements in their speed and endurance respectively.

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Posted
1 hour ago, coalman said:

He didn't jump at the chance to play. He spent most of the season on the bench. Those were his thoughts. He chose bench for Newcastle over trying to help us get back up. 

On the other hand, Peretz wanted to sign permanently after his loan despite what happened at the end of last season and us not getting promoted.

Did he, was it an option for him to stay? I don’t believe it was, also, he played quite a bit.

  • Premier League: 12 appearances
  • Champions League: 4
  • FA Cup: 3
  • EFL Cup: 4
  • Total: 23
Posted

Shame we missed out on Lankshear. Well taken goal last night, think we will regret not going for him to be honest.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

So having already loaned out JRob to Monza, we've now sent this lad off to Le Mans.

Either we're in a race to get rid of them. Or we're hoping they will come back with big improvements in their speed and endurance respectively.

Hopefully we’re on the right track

Posted (edited)

Another note on Peretz V Ramsdale. I hope those of you who believe Peretz is the better keeper are correct. Just remember Peretz had half a good season in the championship as a reference point. Ramsdale played in the worst premier league side In the universe. 

it’s a moot point because he surely will be off and personally I wish him well.

premier league matches 

  • Bournemouth: 37
  • Sheffield United: 38
  • Arsenal: 95
  • Southampton: 25
  • Newcastle: 12
  • Career: 195
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Posted
15 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

So having already loaned out JRob to Monza, we've now sent this lad off to Le Mans.

Either we're in a race to get rid of them. Or we're hoping they will come back with big improvements in their speed and endurance respectively.

Traore has left on loan with Le Mans having an option to buy. So Saints aren't keen on keeping him.

Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Another note on Peretz V Ramsdale. I hope those of you who believe Peretz is the better keeper are correct. Just remember Peretz had half a good season in the championship as a reference point. Ramsdale played in the worst premier league side In the universe. 

it’s a moot point because he surely will be off and personally I wish him well.

premier league matches 

  • Bournemouth: 37
  • Sheffield United: 38
  • Arsenal: 95
  • Southampton: 25
  • Newcastle: 12
  • Career: 195

Ramsdale is a great keeper but Peretz is what we need right now. It's not just about ability, it's attitude, importance to the dressing room, positivity and organisational ability. I think with our squad and the relationships he's fostered Peretz is the one we wanted and the one we need now. Also no doubt considerably cheaper wage wise too.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Ramsdale is a great keeper but Peretz is what we need right now. It's not just about ability, it's attitude, importance to the dressing room, positivity and organisational ability. I think with our squad and the relationships he's fostered Peretz is the one we wanted and the one we need now. Also no doubt considerably cheaper wage wise too.

I 100% agree, that wasn’t the point I was attempting to make, it was,  what I believed was revisionism relating to Ramsdale. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I expect it was also largely driven by the club wanting/needing to get his wages off the books to assemble a squad for the Championship. But inevitably loads of people have just lazily concluded that he's a bad apple / uncommitted, and use that as a stick to beat him with.

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone suggesting ‘bad apple’ etc or poor attitude. He wanted to stay in the EPL to protect his chances of World Cup selection, and we didn’t want his hefty wages after relegation. 
 

I don’t suspect he’s kicking up a rumpus in the background, that seems out of character. In fairness I think the same can probably be said of Bazunu.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Chez said:

there seems to be no PL slots available to Ramsdale and not a lot of noise. 

Expect he will end up somewhere on loan with a team paying his wages.

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Posted
Just now, Toussaint said:

I 100% agree, that wasn’t the point I was attempting to make, it was,  what I believed was revisionism relating to Ramsdale. 

Agree, definitely some recency bias in some answers.

No issues with Ramsdale from his time with us or his choice and manner of him leaving. 
 

During a shocking season I can only recollect one goal conceded where I thought he was at fault ( first at home to Wolves). If Peretz hadn’t signed in June I’d have been happy with Ramsdale coming back in, altjough highly unlikely of course.

Also agree with comments re Peretz return, the one we most wanted and great to have him. Seems a good influence (as I think Ramsdale is also).

Deciding which is ‘better’ is a closer run thing. Peretz had a few moments last season (Preston away, the goals conceded at Doncaster) to give concern. Ramsdale has proven himself in the EPL. Perhaps Peretz has the greater potential.

Happy with either as No 1 choice, but need to sort the No2 out. 

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Posted
39 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

So having already loaned out JRob to Monza, we've now sent this lad off to Le Mans.

Either we're in a race to get rid of them. Or we're hoping they will come back with big improvements in their speed and endurance respectively.

 

21 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Traore has left on loan with Le Mans having an option to buy. So Saints aren't keen on keeping him.

Whoosh - or rather, nyeee-oooow.

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Posted
23 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Traore has left on loan with Le Mans having an option to buy. So Saints aren't keen on keeping him.

I think you missed the gist of his post,

Hope the recovery from the humour bypass operation is going well. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Chez said:

there seems to be no PL slots available to Ramsdale and not a lot of noise. 

Doesn't necessarily have to be a PL move. 

We'll have to sort something out with him because if he stays he's not even guaranteed to start and he's far too good to be warming the bench for a Championship team. 

I'm also fairly sure we wouldn't have wanted / been able to sign Peretz if we knew there was a chance we couldn't offload Ramsdale before the window shuts.

Posted
7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Expect he will end up somewhere on loan with a team paying his wages.

Wonder if Juric needs a GK at Monza. Or two. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Badger said:

Agree, definitely some recency bias in some answers.

No issues with Ramsdale from his time with us or his choice and manner of him leaving. 
 

During a shocking season I can only recollect one goal conceded where I thought he was at fault ( first at home to Wolves). If Peretz hadn’t signed in June I’d have been happy with Ramsdale coming back in, altjough highly unlikely of course.

Also agree with comments re Peretz return, the one we most wanted and great to have him. Seems a good influence (as I think Ramsdale is also).

Deciding which is ‘better’ is a closer run thing. Peretz had a few moments last season (Preston away, the goals conceded at Doncaster) to give concern. Ramsdale has proven himself in the EPL. Perhaps Peretz has the greater potential.

Happy with either as No 1 choice, but need to sort the No2 out. 

good post.

Ramsdale was bloody good for us. i was so impressed with him.

we must have been very confident of offloading Ramsdale to have bought Perez, but the options seem limited. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Badger said:

I think you missed the gist of his post,

Hope the recovery from the humour bypass operation is going well. 

Yeah the point seems to have overtaken him somewhat doesn't it. Or maybe it just didn't qualify as humour for him.

Posted
5 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Doesn't necessarily have to be a PL move. 

We'll have to sort something out with him because if he stays he's not even guaranteed to start and he's far too good to be warming the bench for a Championship team. 

I'm also fairly sure we wouldn't have wanted / been able to sign Peretz if we knew there was a chance we couldn't offload Ramsdale before the window shuts.

agree. I just imagined that a move abroad would have happened by now. maybe they are all waiting for us to get desparate.

Posted
13 minutes ago, Chez said:

agree. I just imagined that a move abroad would have happened by now. maybe they are all waiting for us to get desparate.

I could quite easily see him getting a last minute loan to Bournemouth. Not sure if Fraser Forster is the right man to be keeping pressure on the number one keeper there.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Pilchards said:

Please don’t dick up this striker signing.

Spunk up some cash and use him to play in the EPL next season when we go up.

Need to keep an eye on strikers coming into to other clubs as that should be a sign they have their own replacement.

 

sounds like sexual assualt

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Posted
4 hours ago, Pilchards said:

Please don’t dick up this striker signing.

Spunk up some cash and use him to play in the EPL next season when we go up.

Need to keep an eye on strikers coming into to other clubs as that should be a sign they have their own replacement.

 

I am pretty sure the striker signing is going to be Jebbison on loan with an option. No intel, just feels like the kind of thing we’d be into. 

Posted
8 minutes ago, James said:

I am pretty sure the striker signing is going to be Jebbison on loan with an option. No intel, just feels like the kind of thing we’d be into. 

Feels like we’ve moved away from loans now, in the summer window anyway. 

Posted
8 minutes ago, James said:

I am pretty sure the striker signing is going to be Jebbison on loan with an option. No intel, just feels like the kind of thing we’d be into. 

Hope that’s not the case. Need to nail the CF position, his time at Preston seemed pretty underwhelming in terms of goals. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Badger said:

Hope that’s not the case. Need to nail the CF position, his time at Preston seemed pretty underwhelming in terms of goals. 

His goal record in general is pretty poor. No goals at Watford, 6 at Preston (although someone on here said his xG was good so either he’s not getting in positions to score or Preston don’t create any chances). 

Posted
21 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

sounds like sexual assualt

Our arse is on the line this season and we don't want a cock up.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

Did he, was it an option for him to stay? I don’t believe it was, also, he played quite a bit.

  • Premier League: 12 appearances
  • Champions League: 4
  • FA Cup: 3
  • EFL Cup: 4
  • Total: 23

I suspect you are right that there wasn't really an option for him to stay when we went down. He was our biggest signing when got to Premier League and would have been on big wages, so suspect we were keen to offload those wages once we were a Championship club again. I certainly don't remember any noises about him demanding a move or that Saints were reluctant to let him leave. 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Traore has left on loan with Le Mans having an option to buy. So Saints aren't keen on keeping him.

I think 'whoosh' is the only suitable word for this post.

Edit : Verbal was fastest off the line.

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Posted (edited)
33 minutes ago, James said:

His goal record in general is pretty poor. No goals at Watford, 6 at Preston (although someone on here said his xG was good so either he’s not getting in positions to score or Preston don’t create any chances). 

:mcinnes:
 

On balance the rest of what you say is the more compelling case. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

So having already loaned out JRob to Monza, we've now sent this lad off to Le Mans.

Either we're in a race to get rid of them. Or we're hoping they will come back with big improvements in their speed and endurance respectively.

Traore is a box-to-box, box, box player, good at corners, though he did flag in the second half, always looked tyred - reminded me a bit of Chicane George from back in the day.

 

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