Turkish Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: How does that help? Leadership isn't shouting You’re right the players you lead won’t listen when you’re shouting at your computer screen. 2
revolution saint Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 23 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: You can be objective about shit performances and not boo those players. I've never booed any of our players despite thinking that some of them are garbage. It was a joke, but have gold star anyway.
LegalEagle Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 2 hours ago, revolution saint said: We probably need a poll on this years whipping boy because at the moment, collectively, we're all over the place. I've seen some blaming Dobbin, some Bragg and others Stephens. I didn't see the Watford game so it's hard for me to judge but I don't want to go Saturday and find myself booing the wrong player. After the game against Watford it was definitely Captain Jack. He had a shocker. 1
Charlie Wayman Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 4 hours ago, LegalEagle said: I think guys we need to get a bit of realism here. Whether we like it or not we are not a massively attractive option right now. We’re bottom of the league and 7 points off the top two after one game. Our manager could still be banned or suspended. I think we’ve done remarkably well to hang on to most of what we had last season. I expected a huge exodus this summer and that hasn’t happened with just over a week to go until the transfer window shuts. I see this season as a consolidation year. If we get a top 8 place we would have done well. Oh Ye of little faith, cheer up for goodness sake, the season is only one match old. 2
saintant Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, Ken Tone said: Think the problem wasn't Bragg. It was the formation, nearly 4-2-4 at times, without our usual "number 10" in front of the middle 2. Looked much better when we moved Leo back to the left and put Azaz on. Don't understand why we didn't play Dobbin at number 10. Tonda did this a few times last season too, putting Azaz wide instead of at number 10. Didn't seem to work well to me , but tbf I suppose Tonda knows a bit more about tactics than I do! 😉 This is spot on. It was the set up that caused most of our problems and hung Bragg out to dry. Leo doesn't understand the role like Azaz does which is why there were huge gaps in the middle for Watford to exploit. Unusual for Tonda to get it so wrong. No idea why Dobbin didn't play the Azaz role. Preston fans warned he doesn't tend to play well on the left. Edited 5 hours ago by saintant 6
egg Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 38 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: Playing Scienza and Dobbin in the wrong positions stank of the manager trying to be too clever. Yep. Team selection was odd. You put your best wingers on the wings, and your best 10 as a 10. Scienza left, Azaz in behind, Matsuki or Fellows right shouldn't have been in dispute imo. 1
Charlie Wayman Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 3 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said: It's funny he has one bad game 🤣and the knives all come out for sharpening. He was outstanding 🤣 in our final half of the season earlier in the year but that quickly gets forgotten. You're kidding. Stephens' career here has been littered by a catalogue of errors usually leading to goals against. We dumped him once for good reasons. 7 3
Little Lat Pahars Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: You're kidding. Stephens' career here has been littered by a catalogue of errors usually leading to goals against. We dumped him once for good reasons. We dropped him when we were in the Prem. We are not in the Prem anymore. Stephens is perfectly fine in the Championship as shown last season. 7 1
OneMrsWallace Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 4 hours ago, leesaint88 said: Seems like they are willing to pay quickly to obtain those brown wings.. He's going to be in Burnley. As soon as he's playing in the freezing rain on a Tuesday nigh he'll think..."and I could have been in the warmth in Southampton" 😄
Polaroid Saint Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 5 hours ago, Toussaint said: Why was it unrealistic to take Dragan at his word? What would a consolidation season achieve and what would we be consolidating, our status as a championship side? Where I do agree is that is how the season is shaping up, but I don’t agree it’s what was to be expected. I also think we need to reserve judgment until we see who we have “hung on to” when the window closes. For what it’s worth I’m not disagreeing with you per se, as it’s stands right now I’m both disappointed and frustrated, could all be different with a win on Sunday and a bolstered squad before the window shuts. I keep saying it, but Ross and Shea are big losses, the second half of last seas when Ross was fit he was instrumental in our success. I think it's more a case of splitting the season into two - "consolidation and repositioning" in the first half of the season, making up those points, getting a slightly different team and attitude settled and whatever compensating we have to do with the manager's status. Then, in second half of the season, but hopefully before Christmas we can start to push (as we did last year) and to achieve a league position and performances the squad is capable of, and to tidy/add to it further in Jan. That kinda fits Dragon's stated aims of getting the footballing side of the club sorted and, what I imagine is just as important to him the mid/long term of financial security and clout. I would hate to think it's a full season consolidation but splitting it up works on both counts. (If it works at all of course). 1
Paul_B Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 31 minutes ago, Polaroid Saint said: I think it's more a case of splitting the season into two - "consolidation and repositioning" in the first half of the season, making up those points, getting a slightly different team and attitude settled and whatever compensating we have to do with the manager's status. Then, in second half of the season, but hopefully before Christmas we can start to push (as we did last year) and to achieve a league position and performances the squad is capable of, and to tidy/add to it further in Jan. That kinda fits Dragon's stated aims of getting the footballing side of the club sorted and, what I imagine is just as important to him the mid/long term of financial security and clout. I would hate to think it's a full season consolidation but splitting it up works on both counts. (If it works at all of course). Sounds like a load of old shit to me. Sorry to be blunt and no offence intended at all. You might well be right that the club are thinking this way. But the aim should be to win every fucking game and go all out for promotion, start, middle and end of the season. If we hadn't fucked about at the start of last season we'd be in the PL now. The club need to pull their finger out otherwise any decent remaining players left at the end of this window will be wanting out in January and there will be no "push for the playoffs in the second half of the season" at all. 12
Wade Garrett Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, revolution saint said: It was a joke, but have gold star anyway. Thank you, means a lot.
Wade Garrett Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, Little Lat Pahars said: We dropped him when we were in the Prem. We are not in the Prem anymore. Stephens is perfectly fine in the Championship as shown last season. As he showed on Saturday and countless times last year where he made giving the ball away and losing his man look easy. 3 2
WinglessWonder Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 5 hours ago, SNSUN said: THB could have a better partner if we gave him Anel. Shame we're set to lose out on him and now all we have to offer is Jack. Unless we take Jack off and give him Wood. 1
AlexLaw76 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, Little Lat Pahars said: We dropped him when we were in the Prem. We are not in the Prem anymore. Stephens is perfectly fine in the Championship as shown last season. That word again - “fine” 1 1
OneMrsWallace Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, egg said: Yep. Team selection was odd. You put your best wingers on the wings, and your best 10 as a 10. Scienza left, Azaz in behind, Matsuki or Fellows right shouldn't have been in dispute imo. Reminded me of RMs opening day PL match playing with 'no striker' and BBD/Armstrong out wide. Don't be clever is the lesson, just set up to the squad's strengths. Hopefully this isn't repeated against Stoke. 5
Harry_SFC Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 17 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: That word again - “fine” He's another year older as well. What is he now, 33? We really should be upgrading now. 3
lambtiss Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 49 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: As he showed on Saturday and countless times last year where he made giving the ball away and losing his man look easy. Stevens and THB was Tondas preferred pairing last season and for good reason. It should be this season too until the partnership is broken up by injury or form. Certainly not after the first match of the season, even if Jack had a poir match. 2
lambtiss Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: He's another year older as well. What is he now, 33? We really should be upgrading now. I agree, but we haven't yet and still might downgrade if we lose THB
Sunnyside Saint Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, Little Lat Pahars said: We dropped him when we were in the Prem. We are not in the Prem anymore. Stephens is perfectly fine in the Championship as shown last season. He'll probably be our manager one day!!! 1
whelk Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 20 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: He's another year older as well. What is he now, 33? We really should be upgrading now. Doesn’t feel that long ago Jack was thrown in out of necessity at Anfield in the semi-final. Time flies 2
Badger Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 5 minutes ago, whelk said: Doesn’t feel that long ago Jack was thrown in out of necessity at Anfield in the semi-final. Time flies Or since someone thought he looked as good as Maguire from Hull (in a match at St Mary’s) who was getting great reviews at the time.
Little Lat Pahars Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 47 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: That word again - “fine” Yep a player good enough for a promotion chasing team. It's all about priorities and available funds. Should we be using any remaining funds on replacing him? Or elsewhere in the team like a Charles replacement. If we get to the Prem then we would need to replace. 2
Teamsaint1 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Says he is a centre back? Might be an upgrade on JQ ? Doesn't look like a THB replacement .
Football Special Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, HarvSFC said: Nooooo, it's happening. Tell them to double it
Teamsaint1 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Just now, HarvSFC said: Nooooo, it's happening. Not at that price with the Konsa money all but banked it isn’t. Got to be aiming at half his fee at least. 2
Chez Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Says he is a centre back? Yep, only played the odd game as a DM, which is a sign he can control a football I suppose. Started out at Chelsea youth system, then went to Brighton, left them for free to Feyenoord but not played for them. Did his cruciate, came back last year and played a lot for Estoril.
Saint NL Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Well that's THB gone then. Villa will come back with an improved offer if they're sniffing around now. Shame we missed out on big Anel.
Chez Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, HarvSFC said: Nooooo, it's happening. I always wonder how a club decides what a players value is. What made Villa think £18m + add ons was the place to start.
Chez Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, Saint NL said: Well that's THB gone then. Villa will come back with an improved offer if they're sniffing around now. Shame we missed out on big Anel. Has he actually signed for Burnley?
Saint Matty 76 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Couldn’t begrudge THB of pushing for that move. There’s a very comfortable route into that side at the moment. Just hope we can squeeze £30m out of it. Shame we missed out on the lad who has gone to Burnley to replace, as close to a sure-thing in terms of Championship quality. 3
Chez Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 8 minutes ago, Teamsaint1 said: Might be an upgrade on JQ ? Doesn't look like a THB replacement. Good post. Wonder if Quarshie is going to be sold or loaned.
Chez Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: Got a bad feeling we will sell for 25m. What's your red line price wise?
Saint NL Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: Got a bad feeling we will sell for 25m. You'd think so. They offer 18, we want 30. Meet somewhere in the middle.
Willo of Whiteley Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 12 minutes ago, HarvSFC said: Nooooo, it's happening. Villa have been bidding for everyone this window. They'd be effectively paying £20M for a back up CB. 😂
James Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago If Villa want him then he’s surely gone and can’t blame him. Damn.
Pamplemousse Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Can't we pretend they bid for Ramsdale instead and just send him off packing to Villa? Throw in BBD as well
tdmickey3 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 11 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: Got a bad feeling we will sell for 25m. It will be 20 plus add ones and we are left with Stephens and Wood…..🙄 We never say no…. Who’s next? Edited 1 hour ago by tdmickey3
hypochondriac Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Fair enough that's him off then. You can't do much if a team like that are in for him. Get as much as possible and we will have to move on. Big blow though.
hypochondriac Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, tdmickey3 said: It will be 20 plus add ones and we are left with Stephens and Wood…..🙄 We will very obviously replace him.
Paul Chuckle Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, tdmickey3 said: It will be 20 plus add ones and we are left with Stephens and Wood…..🙄 We never say no…. Joshua Quarshie 1
bugenhagen Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: That word again - “fine” Yeah - in my book, a team of players "fine" for the Championship finishes the season between 12th and 16th somewhere... We should aim for better than "fine" 4
SaintsLoyal Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Something going on here with THB and his agent, two laughable offers being made public and the second from that arsewipe agent outfit athletic.
Harry_SFC Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 8 minutes ago, Chez said: What's your red line price wise? I think we should be looking at getting £30m for him. £25m with £5m achievable add ons as absolute minimum. I get that he only has 2 years left but he's arguably our best player.
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