Four days later - should Saints still sack Tonda?

[Maggie May]

17 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

A comment this morning on an Ugly Inside article:

”I have just had a conversation with a friend who does security at Staplewood He believes that Echert and Spors have already gone 
Their offices are clear of all personal stuff just company laptops and car keys on the desk”.

Hmmmmm.

 

Yeah I very much doubt club laptops are going to be left around considering what’s just happened… 

[Willo of Whiteley]

27 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Yeah me too. It's been surprisingly quiet from the players since the day of the expulsion though. If there was total open revolt, you'd think they would have been getting a bit more lairy about it on Insta and whatnot. 

Exactly this, it’s pretty much been tumbleweed

[Willo of Whiteley]

34 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

A comment this morning on an Ugly Inside article:

”I have just had a conversation with a friend who does security at Staplewood He believes that Echert and Spors have already gone 
Their offices are clear of all personal stuff just company laptops and car keys on the desk”.

Hmmmmm.

 

Ugly Inside 

Enough said. 😂

[skintsaint]

53 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

A comment this morning on an Ugly Inside article:

”I have just had a conversation with a friend who does security at Staplewood He believes that Echert and Spors have already gone 
Their offices are clear of all personal stuff just company laptops and car keys on the desk”.

Hmmmmm.

 

[BILLYDO1948]

I thought he should carry the can as the man responsible together with a fine on the club or/and points deduction. Being thrown out of the playoffs was a huge penalty and more than enough punishment for the club. Hence he should now stay with a chastisement from the club and an apology to the fans. 

[James G]

I think keep him if we can, it's just the FA

I think throw a curveball and have all training sessions open next year for all intern analysts. It's culturally acceptable and educational everywhere else. That'll mess with the spying laws

[SaintsLoyal]

Just stopped the club from going to wembley and a game for PL promotion worth over £200M and has now tarnished the club with cheating , in the worst situation the club has ever been in. Around five to six starting players are now going to walk out the door. 

 

 

[sfc4prem]

7 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Just stopped the club from going to wembley and a game for PL promotion worth over £200M and has now tarnished the club with cheating , in the worst situation the club has ever been in. Around five to six starting players are now going to walk out the door. 

 

 

Keep banging the drum, even if it is as boring as sin to read the same message from you.

5 or 6 players can't 'walk out the door' unless we get some sort of transfer fee for them.

[BERMUDASAINT]

Keep him!!!!! If posible!!!!fk fa!!!!

I see players and support staff will not support him arguments made by the some of the 23.5%. 

Why would players or support staff not support him, would be the question!

Even with the spying. Tonda and his coaching staff ( with Spors recruitment) has turned the club around.

If you were a player, your attitude of playing shite and poor results was prob soul destroying. Tonda has made players and the team better,he restores their pride and stature.

Backroom staff/ analyst were a failure before Tonda team revival( 21 unbeaten), their resume were shite as results were shite. Now they have a team that by all accounts was the the best in form team in the league. I think SFC  staff were buzzing with the unbeaten streak?

Stick together as we now have a winning formula. Of course outsiders want to ripe us apart, fuck em, they dont have our best intrest at heart.

Edited 4 hours ago by BERMUDASAINT

[Starksj1995]

2 hours ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

A comment this morning on an Ugly Inside article:

”I have just had a conversation with a friend who does security at Staplewood He believes that Echert and Spors have already gone 
Their offices are clear of all personal stuff just company laptops and car keys on the desk”.

Hmmmmm.

 

Seriously then mate they gone 

[Mr X]

24 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Just stopped the club from going to wembley and a game for PL promotion worth over £200M and has now tarnished the club with cheating , in the worst situation the club has ever been in. Around five to six starting players are now going to walk out the door. 

 

 

Probably more than 5 0r 6 tbf 

[saintant]

24 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Just stopped the club from going to wembley and a game for PL promotion worth over £200M and has now tarnished the club with cheating , in the worst situation the club has ever been in. Around five to six starting players are now going to walk out the door. 

 

 

I could list a lot of things he did very well along with his one mistake. On balance I'd certainly let him carry on provided the FA don't ban him. 

[saintant]

1 minute ago, Mr X said:

Probably more than 5 0r 6 tbf 

Probably not.

[saintant]

11 minutes ago, Starksj1995 said:

Seriously then mate they gone 

If you believe that bullshit.

[qwertyell]

2 hours ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

A comment this morning on an Ugly Inside article:

”I have just had a conversation with a friend who does security at Staplewood He believes that Echert and Spors have already gone 
Their offices are clear of all personal stuff just company laptops and car keys on the desk”.

Hmmmmm.

 

The way the club is run, I could certainly believe everyone has fucked off on holiday and they'll "figure it all out" when they return for pre-season. 

[Hawkswood]

21 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Fuck it, I am going to shift to Tonda IN. 

He shouldn't given what he is central to regarding the lost opportunity, which has given us 1 season in a stronger league to get it right, or we are down for a generation.

But, my faith is Sports Republic to remotely get it right is at around 1%

Well blow me down. Didnt see that coming. Welcome on board our newest sinking ship 😉

[trousers]

1 minute ago, Hawkswood said:

Well blow me down. Didnt see that coming. Welcome on board our newest sinking ship 😉

That was 21 hours ago.... Alex's view will have changed c.18 times since then...

[Hawkswood]

19 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

I'm actually looking forward to next season (If Tonda stays and isn't banned) I really don't like the PL and only wanted us to go up to keep our best players and become more financially stable. 

Yeah Im all over that.

[Whitey Grandad]

34 minutes ago, Starksj1995 said:

Seriously then mate they gone 

... gone on holiday.

[Colinjb]

I've changed my mind to keeping him.

Siege mentality time.

[Dman]

1 minute ago, Colinjb said:

I've changed my mind to keeping him.

Siege mentality time.

This. 100% this. 

[Hawkswood]

19 hours ago, Cuddles said:

What if Baz is upset?

Baz has upset me loads of fucking times 

[macca155]

The question is not do we want to keep him, but will we be allowed to keep him. Or rather engineer a situation where he can be kept on. 

I'm less bothered about potentially losing out on the PL. We'd probably stink it out again anyway, but obviously the money is important. 

I'm majorly bothered about the reputational damage to the club. Normally that's a sacking offence right there.

However Tonda enabled and unbelievable run, and we've not seen that since the early 80s. Just feels like an act of self harm to let him go.

I'm totally conflicted so I'm just glad I'm not making the decision.

Wish they'd get on with it though.

[SW11_Saint]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

It wasn’t him that got caught though. And would any other industry make such a big deal over something so inconsequential? It’s akin to someone in the car park taking pictures through windows of staff members working at their desks.

No it isn’t. You wouldn’t gain anything from taking still pictures of a business meeting. Bugging a meeting would be a better comparison. 

[SaintsLoyal]

1 hour ago, sfc4prem said:

Keep banging the drum, even if it is as boring as sin to read the same message from you.

5 or 6 players can't 'walk out the door' unless we get some sort of transfer fee for them.

I never suggested otherwise .. SFC4PREM  the cheating kraut has just stopped that.

Edited 3 hours ago by SaintsLoyal

[grezz]

26 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

I've changed my mind to keeping him.

Siege mentality time.

Fuck it, go on then. I've sacked off my moral indignation and the rest of football can kiss my ass.

[SaintsLoyal]

54 minutes ago, saintant said:

I could list a lot of things he did very well along with his one mistake. On balance I'd certainly let him carry on provided the FA don't ban him. 

All of it totally irrelevant now , totally tarnished every single game. 

[Saint Pete]

It's probably going to come down to what happens in this FA investigation. If he gets a lengthy ban, I don't see how we can realistically keep him on. But if there is no ban or a short one, my feeling is he will stay, and a "heartfelt" apology will be made by Tonda so that the club can try to move on. You would have to assume Saints would like to keep him on if his FA punishment is not really harsh otherwise you would think he would be gone by now? 

[Colinjb]

2 minutes ago, grezz said:

Fuck it, go on then. I've sacked off my moral indignation and the rest of football can kiss my ass.

Works for me!

[Willo of Whiteley]

If we keep him we have to win the league. Back with a vengeance etc

No exceptions.

Only then will people be happy 👍🏻

[coalman]

8 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

I never suggested otherwise .. SFC4PREM  the cheating kraut has just stopped that.

On the plus side, the wind up skate has changed my mind to we should keep Tonda.

[qwertyell]

59 minutes ago, saintant said:

I could list a lot of things he did very well along with his one mistake.

"You see that dock out there? Built it myself, hand crafted each piece, and it's the best dock in town! But do they call me 'McGregor the dock builder'? No!"

"And you see that bridge over there? I built that, took me two months, through rain, sleet and scorching weather, but do they call me 'McGregor the bridge builder'? No!"

"And you see that pier over there, I built that, best pier in the county! But do they call me 'McGregor the pier builder'? No!"

"But you fuck one sheep..."

[Lord Duckhunter]

39 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

I've changed my mind to keeping him.

Siege mentality time.

I would like to have answers to more questions before I change mine. 3 I can think of off the top of my head. 

The initial response of “lone wolf” & lying to the EFL seriously undermined us from minute one. Was this based on anything Tonda said, did he lie to Parsons when first asked about it. The panel unimpressed with this. 

Did he really think it was against the rules, or was this a lie. The panel were unimpressed with this as well.

Why the fuck hasn’t he released a statement, even if it’s just a holding bland, “feel your pain” type. Maybe lawyers/LMA involved, but if not, this shows a lack of character. 
 

I’d also like to know more around the bullying claims. Not the actual bullying, it’s a man’s world, but what was the specific push back from the victim. Was it “I’m not doing this because it’s against the rules”, if so, it’s criminal he didn’t go and check or at least cover his tracks and stop doing it. Or was he too arrogant to think he was on the wrong path. 

 

[LegalEagle]

15 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

"You see that dock out there? Built it myself, hand crafted each piece, and it's the best dock in town! But do they call me 'McGregor the dock builder'? No!"

"And you see that bridge over there? I built that, took me two months, through rain, sleet and scorching weather, but do they call me 'McGregor the bridge builder'? No!"

"And you see that pier over there, I built that, best pier in the county! But do they call me 'McGregor the pier builder'? No!"

"But you fuck one sheep..."

Fucking a sheep is a little different to sending a spotty intern to spy on Middlesbrough FC training for a football match. Spying is far worse. At least according to Steve Gibson.

[Graffito]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

That was 21 hours ago.... Alex's view will have changed c.18 times since then...

Those are my principles and if you don’t like them, well I have others.

[trousers]

10 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

Fucking a sheep is a little different to sending a spotty intern to spy on Middlesbrough FC training for a football match. Spying is far worse. At least according to Steve Gibson.

Depends on whether there was any consent or not, surely? 

#consentingsheep

[ally_uk]

I'd say keep him, get Dragan to get the cheque book out and get some more talent in, string few wins together and noone will give a shit.

[LegalEagle]

11 minutes ago, trousers said:

Depends on whether there was any consent or not, surely? 

#consentingsheep

What do you call a sheep tied to a lamp post in Cardiff?

[LegalEagle]

Just now, LegalEagle said:

What do you call a sheep tied to a lamp post in Cardiff?

A leisure centre

[die Mannyschaft]

2 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Just stopped the club from going to wembley and a game for PL promotion worth over £200M and has now tarnished the club with cheating , in the worst situation the club has ever been in. Around five to six starting players are now going to walk out the door. 

 

 

Get rid of Tonda. 

[Cuddles]

Has the sheep incident been reported to the EFL? It will be all over the bloody news and they'll be ramming it down out throats 😭

[coalman]

8 minutes ago, Cuddles said:

Has the sheep incident been reported to the EFL? It will be all over the bloody news and they'll be ramming it down out throats 😭

Would that make it.... sheep throat?

 

[trousers]

18 minutes ago, Cuddles said:

Has the sheep incident been reported to the EFL? It will be all over the bloody news and they'll be ramming it down out throats 😭

And any appeal will fall on mutton ears...

(One for the cockneys in the audience)

Edited 1 hour ago by trousers

[LegalEagle]

22 minutes ago, Cuddles said:

Has the sheep incident been reported to the EFL? It will be all over the bloody news and they'll be ramming it down out throats 😭

Ewe have to stop this.

[AlexLaw76]

They are working out how their first bit of comms can include how good Baz has been since being back in the building.

[Southner]

2 hours ago, LegalEagle said:

Fucking a sheep is a little different to sending a spotty intern to spy on Middlesbrough FC training for a football match. Spying is far worse. At least according to Steve Gibson.

May not have got caught if there was a wool to spy behind.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Breaking News: Southampton bosses flee country ahead of FA probe. "They're on the lam(b)," said Doris the tea lady, who will be managing the team next season.

[StrangelyBrown]

I was thinking sack him, but then saw Saint loyal's posts and realised I needed to give my head a wobble.

Sacking him would be an irrational overreaction - I was there to begin with, but the only reason we're having the spy gate discussion is because Tonda pulled off a miracle (albeit partially by cheating) and got us into the playoffs in the first place.

[LegalEagle]

8 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Breaking News: Southampton bosses flee country ahead of FA probe. "They're on the lam(b)," said Doris the tea lady, who will be managing the team next season.

I had to look that up “on the lam”. Never heard that before. Love learning something new every day. 

[Swaythling Saint]

No to this poll and no to the last one 🤣

Think it hinges on what the outcome of the FA investigation is really.  The board obviously believe in him and while (some of) the squad will be rightly annoyed, that can be resolved and smoothed over.