Delmary Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/150252/COLIN-CALDERWOOD-IN-LINE-FOR-SAINTS.html COLIN CALDERWOOD is set for a return to management at Championship strugglers Southampton. Former Nottingham Forest boss Calderwood has been lined up to take charge if Saints are relegated to League One. Dutchman Mark Wotte was promoted from academy coach to Saints manager when countryman Jan Poortvliet quit last week. But Wotte will be axed if he fails to beat the drop this season. Calderwood, 44, recently took up a coaching role at Newcastle following his dismissal by Forest in December. But the Scot has a clause allowing him to leave if he is offered a manager’s job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 oh god no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 strange one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 So were allready planning for league one, its obviously dawned on Lowe that thats where were heading too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 So were allready planning for league one, its obviously dawned on Lowe that thats where were heading too IMO Lowe has been budgeting for the possibility of L1 footy since his return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 IMO Lowe has been budgeting for the possibility of L1 footy since his return. Budgeting for it ? Planning for it, more like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 IMO Lowe has been budgeting for the possibility of L1 footy since his return. He obviously doesn't have total faith in his dutch revolution either then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Whilst at Northampton Calderwood was linked with a move to Saints as Hoddle's assistant (after WGS).He is obviously regarded by GH,who like Wotte since his earlier rejection still has Lowe's ear. It won't happen as I expect Lowe will be driven out by the summer,especially if we are relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Budgeting for it ? Planning for it, more like.That's hardly logical. Lowe has a legal obligation to protect the interests of the shareholders and relegation is not the best way to enhance those share prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 If we go down to L1 and start the next season with Lowe and Wilde in the boardroom, I fear we may never get rid of those clowns. Hopefully Crouch can rally up support from some businessmen with the cash to buy them off. As for the article, Calderwood would be a bad choice IMO. On the other hand the story contains no sources, quotes and is from the News of the World so there is a good chance there is no truth to this particular rumour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Oh good god no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheels Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 NOTW - must be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 That's hardly logical. Lowe has a legal obligation to protect the interests of the shareholders and relegation is not the best way to enhance those share prices. I disagree. All he cares about is the bottom line, not the business environment. I believe he thinks the lower divisions are a more stable environment because there is almost no money in them, as opposed to the violent swings in cash supply that the PL brings. I believe Andrew Cowen was once quoted on here when we were in the PL that the CCC offered a more stable business environment easier to plan for. But I could be wrong, it was quite some time ago. If this is true, it gives a shocking insight to the sort of people we have running the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 A league 1 manager for a league 1 team ... makes sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 That's hardly logical. Lowe has a legal obligation to protect the interests of the shareholders and relegation is not the best way to enhance those share prices. alpine saint wouldn't understand that and I have seen his response which proves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Was the this the English manager LC supposedly had lined up and the NoW got wind of it, have put two and two together and made three? Just speculating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 no thankyou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 A very bad choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Bart -No.1 Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Was the this the English manager LC supposedly had lined up and the NoW got wind of it, have put two and two together and made three? Just speculating! As Calderwood is SCOTTISH it would make LC look about as clever as the other 2 clowns at the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Obviously the News of the World got this from the story about Crouch ready to return with a proved English manager lined up. Although a Scot he could be said to be a proved England manager. Just who is the manager Crouch had lined up? I certainly hope not David Pleat as mentioned yesterday. Some are confusing Pleat and David Platt on this board. If Saints get relegated then I believe Lowe and Wilde will be obliged to step down and who else other than Crouch could at present step into their shoes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Whilst at Northampton Calderwood was linked with a move to Saints as Hoddle's assistant (after WGS).He is obviously regarded by GH,who like Wotte since his earlier rejection still has Lowe's ear. It won't happen as I expect Lowe will be driven out by the summer,especially if we are relegated. Exactly HOW will that be achieved ?? ...... Is there a Boardroom Revolution brewing ?? Lowe & Wilde will not leave until they have finalised the Rape of Jackson's Farm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Exactly HOW will that be achieved ?? ...... Is there a Boardroom Revolution brewing ?? Lowe & Wilde will not leave until they have finalised the Rape of Jackson's Farm At last......someone seeing the same signs as me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 At last......someone seeing the same signs as me. Me too! I've always thought this was at the root of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuey Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Ian Holloway sat by me at the game yesterday..... CHDAJFU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 CALDERWOOD out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 That's hardly logical. Lowe has a legal obligation to protect the interests of the shareholders and relegation is not the best way to enhance those share prices. "Lowe" and "logical", two words not often used in the same paragraph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I disagree. All he cares about is the bottom line, not the business environment. I believe he thinks the lower divisions are a more stable environment because there is almost no money in them, as opposed to the violent swings in cash supply that the PL brings. I believe Andrew Cowen was once quoted on here when we were in the PL that the CCC offered a more stable business environment easier to plan for. But I could be wrong, it was quite some time ago. If this is true, it gives a shocking insight to the sort of people we have running the club. What a load of tosh. Lowe's objective when he came back was to get to the Premier League, but get to the Premier League "his way". Whether or not any of us think "his way" is right or not is neither here nor there*. He didn't come back to take us to League one "on purpose" or "to spite the fans". You can't have it both ways - either all he cares about is money or not. The Premier League is where the money is and League one is where no money is. *Obviously his way is utter nonsense, so don't try any cheap shots with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 What a load of tosh. Lowe's objective when he came back was to get to the Premier League, but get to the Premier League "his way". Whether or not any of us think "his way" is right or not is neither here nor there*. He didn't come back to take us to League one "on purpose" or "to spite the fans". You can't have it both ways - either all he cares about is money or not. The Premier League is where the money is and League one is where no money is. *Obviously his way is utter nonsense, so don't try any cheap shots with me. Or at least with the intention of stabilising us in the Championship. As I believe ego's are in play here (much to the detriment of the Club), arresting our decline and establishing us as a comfortable Championship team could also be deemed a successful return. It could set us up for a return to the top flight and it could also make the club an attractive proposition for someone ready to gamble on us going up. As you say, I think his way is a disaster for this Club on and off the pitch, but he's not doing this intentionally, nor do I believe he thinks that life will be better or more profitable in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadia Sllim Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Colin Calderwood WTF. Woote seems an arrogant tosser, the hair the little scarf and his comments about the fans. Bring Dave Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Budgeting for it ? Planning for it, more like. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Young proven English manager at that level. Better than Wotte... why not get him NOW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 yes its best to give a manager two games to prove himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint simes Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Ian Holloway sat by me at the game yesterday..... CHDAJFU? You must be sat near me then, anyone else have anu idea why Holloway was there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I'd rather stick with Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 So were allready planning for league one, its obviously dawned on Lowe that thats where were heading too I don't believe he was ever unhappy at that prospect. His main deluded aim has been for SFC to make a living as a feeder club from League 1. The traitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 That's hardly logical. Lowe has a legal obligation to protect the interests of the shareholders and relegation is not the best way to enhance those share prices. When running any business you have to risk manage. If they had a three year plan, which by all accounts they do, that would include a plan to deal with relegation/promotion too, as both are financial "risks". This planning was evident when we were relegated. Lowe had a clause inserted in most contracts that cut players wages to CCC levels upon relegation. It is encumbent upon him and Cowen to have similat arrangements should we be relegated again. This is not "planning for failure" but it is doing a professional job in a business environment. Should Leon Crouch get back in it is something he would have to do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Colin Calderwood WTF. Woote seems an arrogant tosser, the hair the little scarf and his comments about the fans. Bring Dave Jones. Ferguson and Clough are/were arrogant t*ssers too (plus Redknapp and many many others). If he acheives a fraction of what they have managed he can be as arrogant as he likes. I am not quite sure what the hair and scarf have to do with anything? Perhaps he should wear a flat cap and go greyhound racing on a Friday night to endear himself to the "working classes"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Young proven English manager at that level. Better than Wotte... why not get him NOW? He is NOT young (44) He is NOT English (Scottish) Also it is debatable if he is proven at League One level given that he managed Forest who were so much bigger than most and took him a few years to get promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 When running any business you have to risk manage. If they had a three year plan, which by all accounts they do, that would include a plan to deal with relegation/promotion too, as both are financial "risks". This planning was evident when we were relegated. Lowe had a clause inserted in most contracts that cut players wages to CCC levels upon relegation. It is encumbent upon him and Cowen to have similat arrangements should we be relegated again. This is not "planning for failure" but it is doing a professional job in a business environment. Should Leon Crouch get back in it is something he would have to do too. And what a truly inspired provision that was... It made sure our half-decent players left immediately we got relegated rather than giving us a season to get back up; teams like WBA and Brum have kept hold of their decent players because they avoided such dickhead arrangements. Due to squad weakening, it made sure that the first season of parachute payments was utterly wasted on keeping the books straight, putting greater pressure on the remaining season, rather than get back up straight away or build up to it over two seasons. Lowe immediately downscaled his planning for life in the CCC on relegation, and we are paying the price for it now as he does the same for next season in the Third Division. Twaat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Lowe wont be around after admin so it wont be his choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 And what a truly inspired provision that was... It made sure our half-decent players left immediately we got relegated rather than giving us a season to get back up; teams like WBA and Brum have kept hold of their decent players because they avoided such dickhead arrangements. Due to squad weakening, it made sure that the first season of parachute payments was utterly wasted on keeping the books straight, putting greater pressure on the remaining season, rather than get back up straight away or build up to it over two seasons. Lowe immediately downscaled his planning for life in the CCC on relegation, and we are paying the price for it now as he does the same for next season in the Third Division. Twaat. It also transpired that many players' contracts did not have this clause... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 It also transpired that many players' contracts did not have this clause... Yep. It was just "I'm a financial genuis" knob-waving from Lowe, that happened to piiss a few players off that we could have used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 And what a truly inspired provision that was... It made sure our half-decent players left immediately we got relegated rather than giving us a season to get back up; teams like WBA and Brum have kept hold of their decent players because they avoided such dickhead arrangements. Due to squad weakening, it made sure that the first season of parachute payments was utterly wasted on keeping the books straight, putting greater pressure on the remaining season, rather than get back up straight away or build up to it over two seasons. Lowe immediately downscaled his planning for life in the CCC on relegation, and we are paying the price for it now as he does the same for next season in the Third Division. Twaat. I think it's fair to point out that clubs that get relegated now have a huge parachute payment from the latest TV contracts that were not available to Lowe when we got relegated. I also think it's fair to say that if the so called best players ****ed off when we got relegated then good riddance as with a bit of effort they could have kept us up. The only player I was sorry to see go was Crouch. If you read "The Beautiful Game" then you'll realise that the pay cut clause in the players' contracts was something that many other clubs wish they could have implemented when they got relegated. Any club coming down now has a lot more financial clout than we did when we got relegated. I think this was one thing in Lowe's favour, after all, the players didn't have to sign the contract if they disagreed with that particular clause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/150252/COLIN-CALDERWOOD-IN-LINE-FOR-SAINTS.html COLIN CALDERWOOD is set for a return to management at Championship strugglers Southampton. Former Nottingham Forest boss Calderwood has been lined up to take charge if Saints are relegated to League One. Dutchman Mark Wotte was promoted from academy coach to Saints manager when countryman Jan Poortvliet quit last week. But Wotte will be axed if he fails to beat the drop this season. Calderwood, 44, recently took up a coaching role at Newcastle following his dismissal by Forest in December. But the Scot has a clause allowing him to leave if he is offered a manager’s job. have we not already had an association with Newcastle and managers.....Last one was not to bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 He is NOT young (44) He is NOT English (Scottish) Also it is debatable if he is proven at League One level given that he managed Forest who were so much bigger than most and took him a few years to get promotion. Forest were heading for relegation under him so he would be well qualified to manage at SMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Is this the latest phase of "British Jobs for British Workers" ?? God what a bumbling buffoon that Brown is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 NOTW - must be true I wouldn't believe the NOTW if they told me it was Sunday ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I wouldn't believe the NOTW if they told me it was Sunday ! They only know about one thing, it's not called News of the Screws for nothing. If you can't buy the story then they don't know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I wouldn't believe the NOTW if they told me it was Sunday ! It seems an odd story to just 'make up' though, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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