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SaintTex

SaintTex

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20 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Pathetic that we are in a situation where we've been left so short in that position.

Bragg has looked really good in limited minutes. Not sure why he hasnt been give more of a chance to step up.

swedish dave

swedish dave

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finally got it over the line. Good late substitutions by Tonda, after a poor first half.

Mubama took his chance well, and Sam Edozie DAJFU to win the penalty.

3 points at home. good stuff.

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Verbal

Verbal

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21 minutes ago, OneMrsWallace said:

Yet again, this TBH and THB stuff is really screwing up my dyslexia. I'll be fine once he's gone 😄

Took me a while to straighten out the exact difference between THB and GHB. 

Football Special

Football Special

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1 hour ago, Patrick Bateman said:

My 50th party today so we were't there, but great result and I love sweet Cyle Larin ... will be slurring that all night ... 

Happy Birthday mate, not long now till that free bus pass 👍 

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Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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7 minutes ago, SaintTex said:

Bragg has looked really good in limited minutes. Not sure why he hasnt been give more of a chance to step up.

N/t

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Challenger

Challenger

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40 minutes ago, Ekelund said:

Sulking?

Looked like he couldn't give a shit during the KK applause, stood looking at the ground chewing gum. Bit disappointing.

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SaintTex

SaintTex

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1 minute ago, Verbal said:

Took me a while to straighten out the exact difference between THB and GHB. 

that is a mistake you don't make twice!

Football Special

Football Special

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3 hours ago, saintant said:

The good news is only two teams have won both their games.

One of them being our next league game, big challenge vs Millwall who have started superbly 

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The Kraken

The Kraken

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29 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Pathetic that we are in a situation where we've been left so short in that position.

Not sure why Bragg has fallen a little out of favour. I can’t remember a scenario last season where Bragg was overlooked for Matsuki, but it’s happened at least a couple of times this term.

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Charlie Wayman

Charlie Wayman

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23 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

What did Stoke do to get a draw or win?  Is Bree your whipping boy this year that’s another game you have had a pop at him. Stokes  best player came down his side yet created very little in 90 because Bree defended well and did simple things well,

what would Welly offer at moment considering not done much pre season?

Our win was good but a lot down to Stoke not going for it.

We need a Wanyama type in midfield to let the good players like Azaz play.

Wood can defend but not a ball playing defender he was good today.

Scienza had a shocker and Dobbin did more in 5 than he did all game.

I know but not intentionally, just that I expected more of him than he has shown so far. He may be under orders to stay back but where are those over-lapping runs taht characterised his play last season. Stoke switched their left winger to the right later on so maybe that was a trbute of sorts to Bree for preventing him getting to the bye line and putting in crosses.

Can we agree he could do better?

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Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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5 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

I know but not intentionally, just that I expected more of him than he has shown so far. He may be under orders to stay back but where are those over-lapping runs taht characterised his play last season. Stoke switched their left winger to the right later on so maybe that was a trbute of sorts to Bree for preventing him getting to the bye line and putting in crosses.

Can we agree he could do better?

I think he has been hampered by what’s in front of him although I thought defensively Fellows did well just need to find 10% more attacking wise.

We play with 2 wingers and our full backs main priority should be defend.

If we get Wanyama type central midfielder  we could release him more and more control as we look vulnerable to breaks behind full backs and middle.

bpsaint

bpsaint

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Happy with the result, there’s still a hell of a lot of work to be done though. Quite a few players don’t look completely fit, not sure what Tonda’s thoughts were when he said he gave our players an extra week off to reflect on spygate etc but I think that combined with some lesser opposition pre season has left us a little off the pace.

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vectraman

vectraman

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Just got back from the game - a nice and unexpected 3 points as the game looked to be ending in a 1-1 draw.

Performance wise, pretty poor in all honesty. First 10 minutes up to Cyle’s well taken goal were decent. Rest of the first half and most of the second were quite honestly awful. Really turgid, slow, boring football. Nobody seemed to want to run, awful slow passing out from the back going nowhere, no one could make a decisive pass either. It really was boring sat watching it.

For me Matsuki and Fellows were decent, at least looked like they were trying to make things happen. Stephens was okay and solid, Woods looks like a mechanical toy, everything is so slow and methodical with him. Maybe lack of match practice and his thinking and touch will speed up a bit.

Scienza was a million miles off the game and seemed a shadow of his self. 
 

Last 7 minutes were obviously very good! Mubama looked sharp, quick, and took his chance nicely. Well done him - more of the same please. Dobbin also injected some pace, I believe he will also become important for us this season. Credit to Tonda for the subs, won us the 3 points.

Downes was very good again, but he needs a proper DM partner in midfield with him. Hopefully Jander isn’t too far away - we so need him back.

Azaz was looking to make through passes (eg for Cyles goal) but so little movement ahead of him. Players all seemed sluggish and lethargic to me.

Not sure what happened with their goal, we seemed to have enough bodies back but they appeared unmarked in the middle of the box ( no replay shown at the ground for their goal).

So great result, about 17 minutes of excitement and 70 odd minutes of pedestrian, boring crap. Tonda has got to get them moving the ball forward quicker, making runs into space to stretch the opposition. 
 

We will need to be much better v Millwall next week, Stoke were pretty limited and came close to nicking a point, which shows how much we need to improve. 
Anyway, onwards and upwards 🤞🤞

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Turkish

Turkish

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Just now, bpsaint said:

Happy with the result, there’s still a hell of a lot of work to be done though. Quite a few players don’t look completely fit, not sure what Tonda’s thoughts were when he said he gave our players an extra week off to reflect on spygate etc but I think that combined with some lesser opposition pre season has left us a little off the pace.

Few injuries too with Azaz only just back and Jander out. Larin only really had two or three weeks since coming back. With no Charles we can’t make effective subs in CM and no THB today either that’s the spine of the team really impacted. 
 

Going to be a busy few weeks

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OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint

OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint

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30 minutes ago, swedish dave said:

Mubama took his chance well, and Sam Edozie DAJFU to win the penalty.

Mubama looked sharp in the few minutes he was on and often wondered how much attention players take of the fans. With the Stoke fans singing "He's always offside,...." I liked the way he gave them a wave after he scored.

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Football Special

Football Special

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2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Few injuries too with Azaz only just back and Jander out. Larin only really had two or three weeks since coming back. With no Charles we can’t make effective subs in CM and no THB today either that’s the spine of the team really impacted. 
 

Going to be a busy few weeks

Makes you wonder what side we can put out on Tuesday in the Carabao, some of the main u21 names have left as well , can't really afford more injuries with Millwall and Birmingham to play (window slams shut whilst we're in Brum I think) 

Saint Matty 76

Saint Matty 76

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5 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Makes you wonder what side we can put out on Tuesday in the Carabao, some of the main u21 names have left as well , can't really afford more injuries with Millwall and Birmingham to play (window slams shut whilst we're in Brum I think) 

Long
Roerslev - Quarshie - Wood - Welington
Bragg - Matsuki
Edozie - Dobbin - Archer
Mubama

Can still put a decent squad out with basically a full rotation! Maybe Downes will want to play against Wham as well.

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RedArmy

RedArmy

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41 minutes ago, Football Special said:

One of them being our next league game, bit challenge vs Millwall who have started superbly 

Yeah I thought they’d blown their biggest chance last season and they’d be back towards mid table but they’ve picked up where they left off and we lost to them twice last season so we will need to be better next Saturday. 

Paul_B

Paul_B

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26 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Any criticism of Stephens has to be put to bed forever after the goal celebration. 
 

Scenes 😂😂

What did he do?

Football Special

Football Special

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42 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

Long
Roerslev - Quarshie - Wood - Welington
Bragg - Matsuki
Edozie - Dobbin - Archer
Mubama

Can still put a decent squad out with basically a full rotation! Maybe Downes will want to play against Wham as well.

Mubama should be up for it having spent most of his youth at West Ham before leaving them for Man City 

I think it will be like our 3-0 win at Norwich last year but in reverse, they have good options to come in 

Turkish

Turkish

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50 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Makes you wonder what side we can put out on Tuesday in the Carabao, some of the main u21 names have left as well , can't really afford more injuries with Millwall and Birmingham to play (window slams shut whilst we're in Brum I think) 

You’d think a few fringe players will get a game. One thing I’m certain of is if Double D is one of those, he WILL score 

Football Special

Football Special

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Just now, Turkish said:

You’d think a few fringe players will get a game. One thing I’m certain of is if Double D is one of those, he WILL score 

Double D with BBD double act, would love to see that ❤️  £14M of attacking talent right there pal 

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Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

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8 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Double D with BBD double act, would love to see that ❤️  £14M of attacking talent right there pal 


Double D + Double B D = Double penetration

Turkish

Turkish

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12 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Double D with BBD double act, would love to see that ❤️  £14M of attacking talent right there pal 

If you include friendlies only Larin and Delgado as South and North American players have scored more goals for us. What a pair!

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Turkish

Turkish

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2 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

damn 

some of you could be locked in a whore house and complain about being surrounded by women.

A win, new boy scores and we improve on watford.

Us rainbow saints would pal

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maysie

maysie

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4 hours ago, Mr X said:

Vital win today to start clawing back points though we are technically still on minus 1 

What is our non technical points total?

Cuddles

Cuddles

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35 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Double D with BBD double act, would love to see that ❤️  £14M of attacking talent right there pal 

Hope no-one comes in for them before the match 💀

Dan Johnson

Dan Johnson

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Bit of a longer post after reflection.

Thought we started slow, Stoke had allot of the ball and I thought our 1st goal came against the run of play, it was an incredibly good goal, Larin will score 20 goals this season, a proper finisher and we’ve found a real bargain. Looks allot fitter than last season already, great build up play by Azaz and Downs, and some through ball!

we then seemed to lack intensity for the rest of the first half, Stoke had allot more possession than i anticipated, their goal was very soft.

Second half first 15 were poor but then momentum seemed to build and while the game looked fairly even, Stoke, who huffed and puffed, rarely threatened and I can’t remember them having any shots second half, either the exception of an excellent save from peretz which was offside anyway.

Our wide players struggled to get in the game, both wingers and full backs, Fellows frustrated as he dribbles inside rather than trying to hit the by line and get a cross in. Leo was non existent first half. No overlapping from Manning or Bree either, which worked so well last season.

Matsuki, whose industriousness I love, is positionally questionable when playing through the middle. Ultimately I know he’s probably 4th choice CM behind Downs/Jander and a new bloke when he signs, but he was out of position a few times and allowed Stoke to play through us, he works hard though and gets involved, a player I’d like to see used more out wide than centrally in future.

Shout out to Stephens who I didn’t think put much wrong today.

Woods looks awkward on the ball, looks down when passing, made 3 or 4 terrible passes into no one, but defensively he’s front footed, a real old fashioned defender. If he played in the 90s he’d be idolised.

i thought Azaz was excellent today, I maintained all last season and I’ll say it again today, he’s vastly underrated, the way he picks up pockets of space, his vision, he plays the game faster than everyone else, if we had more willing runners he’d be popping through balls all over the show. My MOTM today, without him we’re an average side.

Downs was fantastic today, back to his best.

the result is the most important thing, we have a win, monkeys off our back, and we have the chance next week to start climbing the table.

 

up the saints 

 

 

 

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Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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Downes and Azaz were good and had a hand the goals.

Scienza wasn’t at his best.  Larin and the new guy took their goals really well and a well struck pen from Manning.

We definitely need at least 1 CB, a CM and another forward.  Over to you Herr Spors.

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Teamsaint1

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I’d give Tonda a lot  of credit for switching Downes and Matsuki at HT. we we in trouble in MF first half, but in the second we seemed  to concentrate our biggest threats on the left with Matsuki a big part of that. The right hand side seemed to be left to containment and Fellows as an out ball. 

Whatever, i thought we deserved the win for our last half hour performance. Azaz, who was always looking for the ball and wasn’t picked out when well placed a couple of times, was class. Makes the occasional bad decision ( that left foot shot) but he must be hell to play against. Larin was excellent, and we could have a gem in Mubama who was really bright and sharp. Good to see Edozie put in a telling contribution too. And Manning is so much better when going forward. But this we all know. He was excellent  in the last 30 mins.

 

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Tamesaint

Tamesaint

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Thought that Azaz played a blinder.  His assist for the second goal was just one of many through balls that he tried throughout the match. At least thst one came off

Craft beers and Guinness now available in the Chapel. Makes me happy. Gluten free Pukka pies makes the wife happy.

 

 

 

 

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