Lincoln 1-1 Saints - Match Thread

[woodsaint1]

Whys Edozie even seeing the pitch? If he wants out he doesnt need to be in the squad. 

[Baird of the land]

11 minutes ago, James said:

He wasn’t crap but he didn’t exactly do anything did he? He just shuffled it 5 yards sideways over and over again…

Yep drove me crazy how crablike our midfield was.

Edited 8 hours ago by Baird of the land

[Wade Garrett]

11 minutes ago, Chez said:

Who actually buys a season ticket because on a few rallying comments during the summer? No one. So stop taking twaddle.

I was having my doubts but took Solak at his word.  Makes me an idiot. 

[Cuddles]

3 minutes ago, Saint Pete said:

We'll never know, but I suspect we would have conceded anyway. After a decent spell earlier in the half when we looked like we had more control, Lincoln were already pushing again and creating chances before that sub. The real problem is the lack of defensive qualities of both Wood and Stephens, we are always likely to concede when pressured if one of them are on the pitch. We can only hope that Abbott comes good once has has settled in and can take over as partner for Schlott. 

All good points. The defence was exposed more as we lost our threat up front as well, not keeping hold of the ball. All the subs were poor today IMO.

[Osvaldorama]

2 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Whys Edozie even seeing the pitch? If he wants out he doesnt need to be in the squad. 

I think it was probably fair to give him a chance.

 

Unfortunately he failed. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Whys Edozie even seeing the pitch? If he wants out he doesnt need to be in the squad. 

Because we didn't get a replacement and Scienza can't physically play every second.

[trousers]

I guess the "win at home, draw away" brigade are happy...?

[saint michael]

What did Tonda learn from last year that he is applying this year?  Recruitment of players that were not here last year have been awful.
 

Last year we let the top 2 get away which left us fighting to get into the playoffs and having to play out of our skin to get there. so starting on -4 we needed to start on fire but no … we seem to still be experimenting with Shyte tactics of slow possession football and a squad not capable of it outside the starting 11. 
 

goodness knows how any action taken by FA on Tonda will effect us. Just can’t see many positives to build on at the moment 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

I guess the "win at home, draw away" brigade are happy...?

If you think this reaction thread is bad then wait until the one after Swansea beat us...

[sadoldgit]

9 minutes ago, James said:

He wasn’t crap but he didn’t exactly do anything did he? He just shuffled it 5 yards sideways over and over again…

Apart from setting up the goal?

Too many players aren’t playing up to last years standard in the second half of the season at the moment.

Mubama is a strange one. I can only assume he is much better than this and is currently over confident and needs to change his attitude. If this is how he normally plays God knows how he ended up at City or anybody at our club thought he was worth investing in.

On the plus side, there is a very long way to go. The return of Jander will make a big difference and hopefully Tonda will leave Stephens on the bench in future. 

[OldNick]

55 minutes ago, O_Lord_Marian said:

1 point against Lincoln City, lets celebrate. Lincoln frigging City..

The arrogance that endears 

[LegalEagle]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

Apart from setting up the goal?

Too many players aren’t playing up to last years standard in the second half of the season at the moment.

Mubama is a strange one. I can only assume he is much better than this and is currently over confident and needs to change his attitude. If this is how he normally plays God knows how he ended up at City or anybody at our club thought he was worth investing in.

On the plus side, there is a very long way to go. The return of Jander will make a big difference and hopefully Tonda will leave Stephens on the bench in future. 

Tonda’s love in with Stephens has to stop. Now. You don’t need to have played the game at even semi pro level to see that he is a very long way off Championship level. He’s not even a leader on the pitch. Until Stephens is dropped permanently we will struggle. He was average last season. This season he is a long way from average.

[Suhari]

Listened to Solent driving down to Brighton. We sounded fucking shite.

Subs awful? Divin seemed awful. Two points dropped.

Were we as bad as it sounded?

[saintstowin]

So frustrating when we don't turn up. From the start we were sluggish and lacking ideas.

A glance at stats at half time showed a very high passing accuracy, not due to any degree of skill but because we didn't try to do anything with any ambition. Just pass, pass, pass. There was one passage around 18 minutes in on the left when up to 4 different players all failed through poor choice to put a ball into the box, instead passing it around until it went back to the goalie.

I guess we assumed we'd score goals at some stage. It had the feel of expecting to rather than earning the win.

And no matter how average we were, I can't believe we handed the advantage to them in the last half an hour as we did through poor management. Very disappointing.

Edited 8 hours ago by saintstowin

[Baird of the land]

Just now, sadoldgit said:

Apart from setting up the goal?

lol, a sideways pass that Welington turned into a worldie.
Just like I loved dowie’s assist to le tiss back in the day. If he hadn’t of put the ball way behind le tiss he never would have flicked it over his head, over the Newcastle defenders head and past hooper.

[OldNick]

Just to rub things in lankshear has scored, Spurs may regret selling him

[Osvaldorama]

The worst part is how little we created. 
 

Wellington scored a worldy out of the blue, but apart from that they were the better team by far. Really worrying tbh 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Just now, OldNick said:

Just to rub things in lankshear has scored, Spurs may regret selling him

We might very well regret not signing him. 

[Saint Pete]

8 minutes ago, Cuddles said:

All good points. The defence was exposed more as we lost our threat up front as well, not keeping hold of the ball. All the subs were poor today IMO.

Yep, looks like lack of quality and depth on the bench is really going to cost us this season unless we can get more of a tune out of the likes of Mubama, Dobbin, Edozie. Criminal though really that we have left ourselves relying so much on the young unproven Mubama to back Larin up. Time to look again at that free agent list?! 

[die Mannyschaft]

13 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Agree with all of this and at the moment everything feels flat.

Yes, when Dobbin and Mubama came on, we never looked like scoring but Lincoln had the better chances in the game. They wanted it more and for us to try and see out the last 20 minutes when we were clearly on top was criminal. Scienza's double post shot was the defining moment in the game, but our players need a lesson in positivity.

It doesn't help players nonsense football.  We a game plan for winning not 500 passes.

[Chez]

16 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

So the owner , who rarely speaks if ever publically, has stated that the club owe the fans big time and are determined to get the team to be proud of for the coming season,’and you don’t believe that would’ve encouraged a large number of fans to renew? 

That's right. No one bought a season ticket for that reason. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Just now, Osvaldorama said:

The worst part is how little we created. 
 

Wellington scored a worldy out of the blue, but apart from that they were the better team by far. Really worrying tbh 

Don't really remember their keeper having to make a save of any note. I don't see the likes of Wolves and West Ham not winning there.

[SaintlyAnd]

Looking forward to the post match comments from Eckert about how there were good things (there weren’t) and bad things that we’ll work on. But see more of the same next time out. 
 

We really need to be playing the ball into the box faster and with players making runs, but its so slow and predictable, and relying on individual moments like today.

[cambsaint]

I really cannot believe this. Tactically hopeless, wtf has happened to Tonda, I just hope its the disgraceful FA taking so long to come to a decision that's distracting him.

However I thought JWP was excellent until he tired as was Downes.

I cannot agree with the anti Edozie sentiment. (Saints supporters always seem to need a  whipping boy I am old enought to remember Sydenham who was unjustly crucified by the supporters.

Scienza isnt being used correctly, apart from his freak goal miss.

He shouldn't be taking corners instead of JWP for two reasons, he isn't as good and possibly most importantly he would be more use waiting at the back of the box for a loose ball

Peretz's distribution was absolutely  shocking.He shouldn't be entrusted with free kicks anywhere near the half way line.

Quite what Tonda is thinking leaving an international class goalie out in the cold is beyond me. Loyalty can only go so far, logical reasoning has got to come into it.

That team properly managed should have crushed Lincoln instead we were lucky to end up with a draw

Also why this season are we starting so badly.

To say that I an angry is an understatement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sadoldgit]

4 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

lol, a sideways pass that Welington turned into a worldie.
Just like I loved dowie’s assist to le tiss back in the day. If he hadn’t of put the ball way behind le tiss he never would have flicked it over his head, over the Newcastle defenders head and past hooper.

If he hadn’t have passed it sideways Welington would not have scored.

[OldNick]

I was not a fan of signing JWP and whilst he has done Ok I wonder if his negative/safe passing will instill the same into the rest of the team. Its ok being tidy but somebody has to provide the thrust into the frontline. Signing him took the focus away from getting the powerful midfielder we really needed. I will add I didnt watch teh game to today but seeing JWP passing map and the fact we hd 60% possession but less XG shows how the game went

[Mboto Gorge]

4 minutes ago, Chez said:

That's right. No one bought a season ticket for that reason. 

Yet someone on here has just quoted you and said he did that very thing. No idea why this premise, which is quite a widely used one around football marketing techniques, has resonated with you so strongly that you’re suddenly speaking for entire fanbase. Yet apparently I’m the one talking twaddle. Laughable 

Edited 8 hours ago by Mboto Gorge

[James]

12 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Apart from setting up the goal?

Too many players aren’t playing up to last years standard in the second half of the season at the moment.

Mubama is a strange one. I can only assume he is much better than this and is currently over confident and needs to change his attitude. If this is how he normally plays God knows how he ended up at City or anybody at our club thought he was worth investing in.

On the plus side, there is a very long way to go. The return of Jander will make a big difference and hopefully Tonda will leave Stephens on the bench in future. 

Setting up the goal? 😂

He passed it sideways to Wellington who smashed it in from almost 40 yards…some assist that….

[Willo of Whiteley]

One week make a hell of a difference eh…

[OldNick]

2 minutes ago, cambsaint said:

 

Quite what Tonda is thinking leaving an international class goalie out in the cold is beyond me. Loyalty can only go so far, logical reasoning has got to come into it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I read that Peretz made soe great saves, I dont know why people have all of a sudden decided he's no good

[James]

3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

If he hadn’t have passed it sideways Welington would not have scored.

Literally any player on our team could have rolled it 5 yards to Wellington. The fact he “set up the goal” doesn’t indicate he had a good or a bad game. 

[sfc4prem]

1 minute ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

One week make a hell of a difference eh…

Transfer window disappointment, two 1-1 draws with poor performances in both... go figure!

[OldNick]

6 minutes ago, Chez said:

That's right. No one bought a season ticket for that reason. 

I doubtmany did, but would have been a factor, his words gave us all a bit of hope and I believed that we would be quite strong in the window. 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

So the angle I saw the collision was obscured and I assumed he'd stopped the game because a Lincoln player pushed one of ours over. 

That's a weirdly hostile question for me just admitting I saw something wrong.

No advantage?  Or did he just whistle too soon?

[Football Special]

18 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If you think this reaction thread is bad then wait until the one after Swansea beat us...

Swansea have looked very good, will watch their game at 8pm tonight on a scouting mission 

[LegalEagle]

15 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Listened to Solent driving down to Brighton. We sounded fucking shite.

Subs awful? Divin seemed awful. Two points dropped.

Were we as bad as it sounded?

First half was pretty poor. However the first 20 mins of the second half we had our foot on their throat and Leo was unlucky not to make it 2-0. At that point we were all over them. And then inexplicably Tonda took off our best players who were making it happen. From that point it was diabolical. In over 50 years of watching Saints I rarely ever recall a worse use of substitutes. Tonda got every one wrong. With 10 to go he took off Matsuki and brought on Wood. The inevitable then happened. That last 30 today was simply horrific. 

[Hawkswood]

Too early in the season for me to start slagging the players off too much but I was surprised he took off Leo when he did. We were  just starting to have a load of joy down the left side and it killed our momentum. Limited side Lincoln but they will make it tough for a lot of teams. Really disappointing.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

Swansea have looked very good, will watch their game at 8pm tonight on a scouting mission 

Indeed they have. This result makes it a must win for me if we're serious about promotion. Heck of a lot of pressure now.

[Cabrone]

A club whose stated ambition is to get top 2 needs to win at places like Lincoln.

It's 2 points dropped rather than 1 gained.

A buoyant Swansea and Bristol C up next, we need to get moving.

[Saint Pete]

1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

If Spors had the self-awareness he would be feverishly looking over the free agents list currently, some interesting potential experienced additions there at centre back and centre forward to enable SFC to control / see out games, but the fucker won't bother! 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spieler/vertragslosespieler/statistik/1/plus//galerie/0?ausrichtung=alle&spielerposition_id=alle&land_id=alle&altersklasse=&wettbewerb_id=alle&seit=alle&yt0=Show

 

You're right, he won't because that would mean admitting that he's fucked up by leaving us much weaker in squad depth and quality! 

[OldNick]

1 minute ago, Cabrone said:

A club whose stated ambition is to get top 2 needs to win at places like Lincoln.

It's 2 points dropped rather than 1 gained.

A buoyant Swansea and Bristol C up next, we need to get moving.

I agree to a degree, but actions are better than words and our transfer action at the end of the window did not match in any way to the words that were spoken. 

[Golac's Iron Gonads]

14 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

lol, a sideways pass that Welington turned into a worldie.
Just like I loved dowie’s assist to le tiss back in the day. If he hadn’t of put the ball way behind le tiss he never would have flicked it over his head, over the Newcastle defenders head and past hooper.

sideways is generous, it was backwards as Wellington was a few yards behind him. So typical of the cowardly way Ward-Prowse has always played. Could have taken a touch and unleashed a worldy himself, could have whipped it to the far post, could have made a slide rule pass into the box. Nahh not James 'Mr Safe' Ward -Prowse, nothing entered his brain other than there's a safe pass to my left. For all the stick Edozie is getting, he at least ran at people and tried to make something happen. Today's problem was not leaving Azaz on. Might have got away with changing Larin and Scienza, we lost some cohesion in our attack but were still in control, as soon as Azaz went off the front 4 played as if they'd never seen each other before.

[Saint Pete]

8 minutes ago, Hawkswood said:

Too early in the season for me to start slagging the players off too much but I was surprised he took off Leo when he did. We were  just starting to have a load of joy down the left side and it killed our momentum. Limited side Lincoln but they will make it tough for a lot of teams. Really disappointing.

Seems like it was pre-planned to sub him and Larin on the hour with the Swansea game in mind. But I agree, you need to respond to what's needed in the game. Given the poor 1st half team performance and that Leo was finally getting some joy, he should have left him on for at least another 10-15 mins to try and get that 2nd goal which would/should have killed the game off. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Saint Pete

[Dan Johnson]

41 minutes ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

The problem is not Downes and JWP. The problem is that the hard working effective players ahead of them being swapped for players who aren't. 

As I said last week if the players ahead of you are stood in the wrong place so a defender is blocking the pass then you are forced into sideways passing.

This was JWPs pass map just before half time. Bearing in mind how deep Lincoln were defending during the first half this is not the crab football that you go on about - unless you think we should just aimlessly boot it into a packed box and hope for lucky breaks?

Absolutely this.

There will be games like today, where teams frustrate and there's no space to play, soo I'm not too critical of the fact we didn't role them over and struggled to make clear cut chances, but you absolutely have to compete physically in this league and thats where we came unstuck today.

Once Edozie\Mubama came on, Mubama the main culprit, the ball just wasn't sticking up top, which it needed to do, you defend from the front and we stopped doing that as soon as these two came on.

60 minutes was way too early to make these subs, we should (and I think would) have killed the game off between 60-70 and then the games done and you make the subs around 70-75 minutes knowing the subs will get 20 mins.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Some of these performances remind me of the dross we served up under Will Still. Those subs were just like what he did at Blackburn; I was fully expecting us to lose tbh.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Just now, Saint Pete said:

Seems like it was pre-planned to sub him and Larin on an hour with the Swansea game in mind.

We seem to apply this in the majority of our games. No reason why they could have lasted until around the 70th minute mark. Just hands the impetus and momentum to the opposition. I could understand taking your best players off when three up, but not only one nil up. 

[sfc4prem]

2 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Some of these performances remind me of the dross we served up under Will Still. Those subs were just like what he did at Blackburn; I was fully expecting us to lose tbh.

It feels very much like that Blackburn game, actually. Good point. We were all livid after that loss. Absolutely furious.

[obelisk]

20 minutes ago, James said:

Literally any player on our team could have rolled it 5 yards to Wellington.

I've seen a number of examples this season where many players have been unable to do that.

[Chez]

11 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I doubtmany did, but would have been a factor, his words gave us all a bit of hope and I believed that we would be quite strong in the window. 

If anyone is unhappy with their purchase and feels they were lied to, just contact the club and ask for you money back. I'm sure Dragon will oblige you. No one will do that, because it's utter bollocks.

Buy a season ticket, don't buy a season ticket. The choice is yours, but don't cry about the owner being positive when things don't go perfectly to plan.

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

Well that was disappointing.

I have a horrible feeling the FA is going to ban Tonda for a long time