Saint Mikey Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 What about Gaydamack's secured debt? Didn't he have about £2.5m secured from the last CVA? What happened to this, as no-one is talking about it anymore? Did he take the land in exchange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 I've cut it down to players who actually played (should remove Saganowski in practice too). Yeesh. Players now playing above League One in bold. 1 Kelvin Davis 2 Chris Perry 3 Wayne Thomas 4 Marek Saganowski 5 Jan-Paul Saeijs 7 Rudi Skácel 8 Bradley Wright-Phillips if he still starts for Charlton 10 Paul Wotton 11 Andrew Surman 12 Lee Holmes 15 Jason Euell 16 Romain Gasmi 17 David McGoldrick if he's still playing for Forest 19 Morgan Schneiderlin 20 Adam Lallana 22 Simon Gillett 23 Lloyd James 24 Oliver Lancashire 26 Jake Thomson 28 Bartosz Białkowski 33 Joseph Mills 35 Matthew Paterson 37 Oscar Gobern if he still gets a game for Huddersfield in the Championship 39 Ryan Smith 40 Anthony Pulis 42 Kayne McLaggon 45 Callum McNish Left during season (loan or otherwise) 9 Grzegorz Rasiak 5 Andrew Davies 14 Stern John 31 Tomáš Pekhart 30 Jack Cork 38 Jordan Robertson 41 Alex Pearce 18 Nathan Dyer 41 Zoltán Lipták not sure how, but Pekhart is probably above League 1 level and Jospeh Mills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Yep. Sounds like PCC will run a mile if pressed on this loan request. Penny Mordaunt can press against me any time tho' The Pier bleeds money, but is not a vote winner, the skates bleed money, but saving them will win votes. Mind you don't get squashed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Mind you don't get squashed Can think of worse ways to go.. Imagine those pendulant breasts giving you black eyes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 On the assumption that Chinny accepts, sells the ground with the council lending the money, and TB agrees to the PST taking over - let's just take a quick look at their cashflow for the first 60 days: Outgoings: Purchase of Krap Nottarf = £2.75m - £1.5m (loaned by Council confirmed as the max they will lend) = £1.25m CVA payment = £500k Players wages = £2.65m /12 = £220k pm x2 = £440k Non playing staff wages = £1.1m/12 = £92k pm x2 = £184k Total (so far) = £2,374,000 Ok so what income do they have: £1000 'shares' = £200k in deposits assuming 75% take up + won't collect remaining monies in the first 2 months = £150k Associate directors = nothing, they've only just launched this - assume that no-one wanted to put in under the 'share' offer so they've jazzed it up a bit High Net Worth = £750k (already have £630k in escrow, assume target is reached & this is collected) Loan = Already factored in to the outgoings Season ticket sales = 7500 - 400 (lifetime season tickets) = 7100 x £250 = £1.775m Match day income = 5 home fixtures x 4000 x £20 = £400k Total income = £3,075,000 So by back of the fag packet maths they should make it, but this relies on them getting all of the season ticket money up front (not sure if that's going to happen as its didn't last time), not sure what income they will have from the league. But they will have other expenditure that I haven't factored in - e.g. how much will it cost to get Krap Nottarf a safety certificate again this year. The maths looks very, very tight! Of course this assumes: Chinny lets go of the ground Everyone pays up Kanu's court case doesn't go badly The council lend them the money (& quickly) The FL appear to let them get away without paying football creditors 100% of their debt What could possibly go wrong with this!! From outgoings the only costs you missed: Employers Liability Insurance, Public Liability Insurance, Private medical, Rates, Electricity, Stewarding, Policing, Travel and Accommodation for away games, coaching staff, medical and rehabilitation staff, training facilities, Employers National Insurance, ground maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Lol. Sheer desperation from the news now! They're so desperate to cling to the bestest fans in the world tag, that they're now putting words into the mouths of players who don't even play for the club! But I guess this is how history is written down there. They say/print something over and over again and then it becomes accepted as Pompey folklore! They know they can put whatever they like as BH is not likely to refute it and instantly become public-scaaammer-enemy-no.1. Afterall, they're only carrying on the 'history writing' for plucky-little-portsMYTH in the same way Dinenage has been doing for the past 30 or 40 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 What about Gaydamack's secured debt? Didn't he have about £2.5m secured from the last CVA? What happened to this, as no-one is talking about it anymore? Did he take the land in exchange? Was due to be paid from last/next tranche of PPs. Can't recall for sure which, but I think it was the last. If it was, don't know that it was paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Was due to be paid from last/next tranche of PPs. Can't recall for sure which, but I think it was the last. If it was, don't know that it was paid. It's 4 million. It was payable in two, two million payments; One was due in April, the other due in August. Neither paid to date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 It's 4 million. It was payable in two, two million payments; One was due in April, the other due in August. Neither paid to date Way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 It's 4 million. It was payable in two, two million payments; One was due in April, the other due in August. Neither paid to date Is that for the land though? Or, is that completely separate? I thought he had £2.5m secured, plus the land which was claimed was worth £4m. He did this deal in exchange for about £20m of debt. I could be confused here. But any figure owed to him is conspicious in its absence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Is that for the land though? Or, is that completely separate? I thought he had £2.5m secured, plus the land which was claimed was worth £4m. He did this deal in exchange for about £20m of debt. I could be confused here. But any figure owed to him is conspicious in its absence... Completely separate. This was the secured debt from the first CVA. He owns the land outright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Massive assumption here... 5.3 Ticket sales In addition, the forecast assumes three cup games (League Cup, FA Cup, Johnstones Paint Trophy), at an average attendance of 10,000, with an average ticket price of £15 (inc VAT), and with Portsmouth FC keeping 45% of the gate revenue. Not many teams average 10k from home/away games in first round of League Cup, JPT and FA Cup. A 10k figure is extremely optimistic. For a start they are playing Plymouth away in the League Cup, the attendance won't be anywhere near 10k. What if they play small teams in the FA Cup and JPT and/or are away from home at a small stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 What if they play small teams in the FA Cup and JPT and/or are away from home at a small stadium? What if they are at home in their small stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Massive assumption here... 5.3 Ticket sales In addition, the forecast assumes three cup games (League Cup, FA Cup, Johnstones Paint Trophy), at an average attendance of 10,000, with an average ticket price of £15 (inc VAT), and with Portsmouth FC keeping 45% of the gate revenue. Not many teams average 10k from home/away games in first round of League Cup, JPT and FA Cup. A 10k figure is extremely optimistic. For a start they are playing Plymouth away in the League Cup, the attendance won't be anywhere near 10k. What if they play small teams in the FA Cup and JPT and/or are away from home at a small stadium? Let me get back to you on that. I am actually studying probabability theory/sampling standard error and so on at the moment. I'll run it at a 99% confidence level when I get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 What if they are at home in their small stadium? Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 (edited) Let me get back to you on that. I am actually studying probabability theory/sampling standard error and so on at the moment. I'll run it at a 99% confidence level when I get home. Interesting. Not wishing to get too technical, but which test are you going to use? Two-tailed or one-tailed version? etc. Edited 3 August, 2012 by Waterside.saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Interesting. Not wishing to get too technical, but which test are you going to use? Two-tailed or one-tailed version? etc. I would say a 2-tailed test. Some clubs will have over 20,000 in the 1st round; some less than 1000. (These would be the 2 tails). I would use the clubs average attendance for the 1st round of each competition. Then I think I can accept of reject the 10,000 attendance assumption with 99% confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 The Trust's plan has more holes than the Fratton roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danish Saint Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Has anyone done calculations on how much it would cost them to start at Moneyfields? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 From outgoings the only costs you missed: Employers Liability Insurance, Public Liability Insurance, Private medical, Rates, Electricity, Stewarding, Policing, Travel and Accommodation for away games, coaching staff, medical and rehabilitation staff, training facilities, Employers National Insurance, ground maintenance. they are exempt from these by a local by law apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Has anyone done calculations on how much it would cost them to start at Moneyfields? Don't be daft, barely 50000 of the bestest superfans could fit in that venue standing shoulder to shoulder, they'd be leaving 10s of 1000s of their superfans outside in the road, the police would never wear it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: Dave Kitson has reached a compromise agreement to leave #Pompey. More on http://t.co/WcKZX2ZV soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 On the assumption that Chinny accepts, sells the ground with the council lending the money, and TB agrees to the PST taking over - let's just take a quick look at their cashflow for the first 60 days: Outgoings: Purchase of Krap Nottarf = £2.75m - £1.5m (loaned by Council confirmed as the max they will lend) = £1.25m CVA payment = £500k Players wages = £2.65m /12 = £220k pm x2 = £440k Non playing staff wages = £1.1m/12 = £92k pm x2 = £184k Total (so far) = £2,374,000 Ok so what income do they have: £1000 'shares' = £200k in deposits assuming 75% take up + won't collect remaining monies in the first 2 months = £150k Associate directors = nothing, they've only just launched this - assume that no-one wanted to put in under the 'share' offer so they've jazzed it up a bit High Net Worth = £750k (already have £630k in escrow, assume target is reached & this is collected) Loan = Already factored in to the outgoings Season ticket sales = 7500 - 400 (lifetime season tickets) = 7100 x £250 = £1.775m Match day income = 5 home fixtures x 4000 x £20 = £400k Total income = £3,075,000 So by back of the fag packet maths they should make it, but this relies on them getting all of the season ticket money up front (not sure if that's going to happen as its didn't last time), not sure what income they will have from the league. But they will have other expenditure that I haven't factored in - e.g. how much will it cost to get Krap Nottarf a safety certificate again this year. The maths looks very, very tight! Of course this assumes: Chinny lets go of the ground Everyone pays up Kanu's court case doesn't go badly The council lend them the money (& quickly) The FL appear to let them get away without paying football creditors 100% of their debt What could possibly go wrong with this!! will it still be the case that ST funding will only be released on a game by game basis? if so it'll be considerably less that 1.775m available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: Dave Kitson has reached a compromise agreement to leave #Pompey. More on http://t.co/WcKZX2ZV soon. This is brilliant, I think they might actually survive. They'll then have Chinny plundering the PPs for a couple of years and two further years of paying back the players' wage deferrals. So even if they do survive they're aboslutely f*cked for money for at least 4 years, if they last that long (sweepstake for the next administration?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 This is brilliant, I think they might actually survive. They'll then have Chinny plundering the PPs for a couple of years and two further years of paying back the players' wage deferrals. So even if they do survive they're aboslutely f*cked for money for at least 4 years, if they last that long (sweepstake for the next administration?) Put me down for February 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Is Kitson being hero worshipped yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Is Kitson being hero worshipped yet? Silly question Trousers... @JordanHampton: Well done Dave Kitson!! He's left #Pompey and probably lost quite a bit of money to help save this club!! Nice one Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Silly question Trousers... @JordanHampton: Well done Dave Kitson!! He's left #Pompey and probably lost quite a bit of money to help save this club!! Nice one Dave! Saving their moribund festering walking dead zombie carcrash of a 'club' is of course all that matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Saving their moribund festering walking dead zombie carcrash of a 'club' is of course all that matters I wonder when it'll hit them that 'saving' the club in its current guise will be much worse than starting again with a clean slate? Still, more amusement for us in the short to medium term if they are 'saved' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 I wonder when it'll hit them that 'saving' the club in its current guise will be much worse than starting again with a clean slate? Still, more amusement for us in the short to medium term if they are 'saved' They won't - thick as a ****e that lot. As to a sweepstake on the next Admin - i'll go for May 2013. They haven't got a pot to ****in other than nottarf krap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 I wonder when it'll hit them that 'saving' the club in its current guise will be much worse than starting again with a clean slate? Still, more amusement for us in the short to medium term if they are 'saved' They won't - thick as a ****e that lot. As to a sweepstake on the next Admin - i'll go for May 2013. They haven't got a pot to ****in other than nottarf krap Its been said before - repeatedly - but I'll say it again: all their options are win-win from our point of view. They die soon, or linger horribly as a warning to all of the ghastly consequences of failing to live within ones means. Its all good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrek Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Hmm, I can see LL coming to an agreement as well, but TBH? Unlikely I was suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrek Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Was, would, whatever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Liam lawrence is being offered a new contract to stay.they will bring in Ward from Millwall and the reading keeper. 3.5 million budget for next season.Chanarai to take over ready for the PST to take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 I appreciate the facepalm is enough and says it all.... but is he really that fricken stupid? There wa sme thinking that competitiveness was something you worked towards from the ground up as and when you could afford to do so... not a right' date=' especially for a club that gained EXTRA competitiveness it could not afford for 7 years and screwed people of of 100mil in teh process... maybe I am missing something?[/quote'] Just catching up on posts. One thing that strikes me is the lack of confidence in Appleton's own ability to either coach or get the best out of the team. You may as well save on his wages and get the tea lady to run the team if they want to get experience champ/league one players in to form a team. What the **** does he add? Certainly nothing based on last season with a relegation under his belt with a decent squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Someone is itk......from earlier today.... http://fansonline.net/portsmouth/mb/view.php?id=442155 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 The thing is, would that definitely work? Say a club goes into admin in September and they're relegated; what's the point in continuing at 100% if you're already down? It could become a bit of a farce. -10 ensures clubs remain competitive throughout the bulk of the season; but also allow for clubs to effectively avoid punishment. I know the current system doesn't work, but also its tough to say what the alternative should be. Automatic relegation, but to avoid the team not putting in 100% each game, have the proviso that if they finish in the relegation spot anyway, they go down two divisions. Simples. Brian (Howard), you are a pro but also a Saint. You know what to do.... That's right, Brian. String Voldemort along for as long as possible, and then bail out at the very last moment. Hmm, I can see LL coming to an agreement as well, but TBH? Unlikely I was suggest. Handy Andy is now his "agent", and I hear police are still investigating the disappearance of his former agent, Pini Zahavi. Finally, I'd like to dedicate this mug (see what I did there) to each of the players who have reached "compromises" with Trevor/Chinny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Liam lawrence is being offered a new contract to stay.they will bring in Ward from Millwall and the reading keeper. 3.5 million budget for next season.Chanarai to take over ready for the PST to take over. Wondering why a promising keeper wants to go there? It's the same old WBA link, where the keeper's agent Simon Miotto worked with Appy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Someone is itk......from earlier today.... http://fansonline.net/portsmouth/mb/view.php?id=442155 '..Chanrai to get the club initially but only to protect his money..' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 I wonder when it'll hit them that 'saving' the club in its current guise will be much worse than starting again with a clean slate? Judging by a lot of the comments on the News web site and elsewhere, it never, ever will. Sure, they'll get to watch their club suffer a long, lingering decline - and quite possibly die altogether after some time - but it will always be somebody else's fault. It could be the Football League, the players, Chainrai, the council, even the trust should they succeed (unlikely in the extreme, but you never know - Phil's thoughts on that could have legs I think) - but it will never be the club itself or the wonderful fans, renowned worldwide as the best there are or have ever been. The capacity of some Pompey fans for self delusion seems almost limitless; you only have to read FMPR's recent posts on here to see that. They are, it seems, capable of justifying anything, believing anything, and questioning nothing - as long as what they're being told feeds into the popular myths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 '..Chanrai to get the club initially but only to protect his money..' They're swallowing that too! They really are thick!! (But then we should know that by now. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 I thought the PPs were made August and February of each season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Wondering why a promising keeper wants to go there? It's the same old WBA link, where the keeper's agent Simon Miotto worked with Appy... Not sure where that budget is coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 not sure how, but Pekhart is probably above League 1 level and Jospeh Mills Mills is on loan at Burnley after playing 1/4 of Reading's matches last season, he's a borderline case, and anyway, as another academy product he's irrelevant to the discussion - they don't have any academy players to step up and save them. As for Pekhart, he just doesn't count as a Saints player that season full stop (even though he's playing in the Bundesliga for 1.FC Nuremberg). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 not sure where that budget is coming from. oxfam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 POL particularly entertaining at the moment they seen obsessed with finding reds under the beds and banning them. Although from what I can see they are banning quite a few Skate posters as well. I suppose they call that collateral damage. I think GM has tipped pompeyscott over the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Not sure where that budget is coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 wonder how the creditors getting 4p in the pound feel about stories that tehy will ave '3.5 mil kitty' for next season.. presumes thats transfers in AND wages, but knowing the DCSBs it would not surprize me if that is 1 player transfer fee... justified on teh ground that they can always sell thenm and recoup the value... after having shelled out x mil on a 4 year contract and not paid the tax man.... the pipe fat clearer or the local childrens hospice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 POL particularly entertaining at the moment they seen obsessed with finding reds under the beds and banning them. Although from what I can see they are banning quite a few Skate posters as well. I suppose they call that collateral damage. I think GM has tipped pompeyscott over the edge. Mass hysteria. From Wikipedia: sound familiar? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria "Blackburn, England (1965) - In October 1965 at a girls' school in Blackburn, several girls complained of dizziness. Some fainted. Within a couple of hours, 85 girls from the school were rushed by ambulance to a nearby hospital after fainting. Symptoms included swooning, moaning, chattering of teeth, hyperpnea, and tetany. A medical analysis of the event about one year later found that outbreaks began among the 14-year-olds, but that the heaviest incidence moved to the youngest age groups. There was no evidence of pollution of food or air. The younger girls proved more susceptible, but disturbance was more severe and lasted longer in the older girls. Using the Eysenck Personality Inventory, those affected had higher scores for extroversion and neuroticism. It was considered that the epidemic was hysterical, that a previous polio epidemic had rendered the population emotionally vulnerable, and that a three-hour parade, producing 20 faints on the day before the first outbreak, had been the specific trigger" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 3 August, 2012 Share Posted 3 August, 2012 Feck - someone called LARD pasted my long 'should have said' post on POL - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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