Um Bongo Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 Anyone know how he is? Looked in a bad way when he went off and it changed the game for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 solent confirmed no break but a knee injuries, off to see a surgeoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 AP sounded quite downbeat on Solent when talking about Murty. Said he would be out for a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 Pardew says he looks like he is out for weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 Pardew says he looks like he is out for weeks That's great news tbh...with how serious it sounded. Feared we were looking months and months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 solent confirmed no break but a knee injuries, off to see a surgeoun Yep, that was the guy who said "It's good news - he's being seen by a surgeon". That's the first time being seen by a surgeon is "good news". This was the same guy who said "At best it's knee ligaments, at worst it's (lengthy pause for thought) ... something worse". I fricking despair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northant Saint Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 25 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 25 August, 2009 Seriously though, he looked so composed when he was playing. Then Lloyd James went right back and it all ****ed up. Link? I think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 That's great news tbh...with how serious it sounded. Feared we were looking months and months. I wouldn't rule that out yet, sadly. From what I've seen and read he's absolutely one of the last ones we'd want to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 Seriously though, he looked so composed when he was playing. Then Lloyd James went right back and it all ****ed up. Link? I think so. and we lost James from midfield where think he was doing well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 That's because we fell apart when James went to right back - Brum City sensed the panic in the defence and went for the jugular he trys to play it out when he should just clear it, gets his positioning all wrong and doesn't have the pace to cover it we are going to have to spend some real money on a right back if Murty is going to be out for long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsforlife7 Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 O.S says knee ligament damage, looking like months from that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 The fact that he was getting oxygen on the field and it says a knee injury, i think it is career over IMO. Think we will see an ACL injury, i really, truelly hope i am wrong here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 That's because we fell apart when James went to right back - Brum City sensed the panic in the defence and went for the jugular he trys to play it out when he should just clear it, gets his positioning all wrong and doesn't have the pace to cover it we are going to have to spend some real money on a right back if Murty is going to be out for long Well, having just seen it on tv, the second goal (at least, they didn't show the first) came from an attack down our left and there was nothing James (or Murty) could have done to prevent it. I honestly believe Murty going off effected us badly, and I think the reason is that we lost our flow in midfield. In other words, the major problem was losing James from midfield and not the fact that our defence suffered because he was at RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 The fact that he was getting oxygen on the field and it says a knee injury, i think it is career over IMO. Think we will see an ACL injury, i really, truelly hope i am wrong here. To be fair without any medical knowledge....unless you have examined him personally.....i think thats a very OTT statement to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 To be fair without any medical knowledge....unless you have examined him personally.....i think thats a very OTT statement to make. Although TBF, if it is ACL at his age, it could well be career threatening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 Although TBF, if it is ACL at his age, it could well be career threatening. It could well be yeah......but until we know the extent it is also a very dramatic statement to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 missed the actual challenge, since i was watching the ball, which happened a few times, anyone know if there's highlights on t.v, or will we have to wait and hope that its included in the online highlights on bbc/virgin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 Call to Mr Voltz perhaps ? Hope Murty can resume and quickly.Age however is not on his side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 To be fair without any medical knowledge....unless you have examined him personally.....i think thats a very OTT statement to make. I have no medical knowledge, other than a history of knee injurys, and one being an ACL injury, i can tell you, it is excruciatingly painfull, and even for me i thought at the time, christ, no more football for me, so god knows what was going through his mind, TBF, if it is a knee injury, and he needed O2, i doubt it's good. Although TBF, if it is ACL at his age, it could well be career threatening. That was my meaning with career ending, due to his age, it could be OTT, but i doubt it if it is acl !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stattmeister Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 I agree with the other post - the ref got it totally wrong with the Lallana challenge, and missing that quite obvious foul has potentially cost us our first choice RB for however long. Minsk has it spot on - in my view, losing James from midfield was the reason we struggled after Murty's injury, not because he dropped in at full back. That Thomas pass to Gillett though in the lead up to the equaliser was suicide, absolute suicide though if we want to point fingers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 missed the actual challenge, since i was watching the ball, which happened a few times, anyone know if there's highlights on t.v, or will we have to wait and hope that its included in the online highlights on bbc/virgin? Ball came out to Carr who hit it and during his follow through he caught Murty who was closing him down. Carr not at fault but as pointed out on other thread had the ref done his job properly it wouldnt of happened as it would of been or free kick for a foul on Lallana a minute earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 What was the challenge ?? Directly on his shinbone ?? Or was there a twist ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 Ball came out to Carr who hit it and during his follow through he caught Murty who was closing him down. Carr not at fault but as pointed out on other thread had the ref done his job properly it wouldnt of happened as it would of been or free kick for a foul on Lallana a minute earlier. That's how I saw it. Looked as though Murty went into Carr attempting to block his shot, but as you say Lallana was checked moments before which should have been a free kick to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 I honestly believe Murty going off effected us badly, and I think the reason is that we lost our flow in midfield. In other words, the major problem was losing James from midfield and not the fact that our defence suffered because he was at RB. That is how I saw it Gillett was ineffectual when he came on but Brum seemed stronger as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 That's because we fell apart when James went to right back - Brum City sensed the panic in the defence and went for the jugular he trys to play it out when he should just clear it, gets his positioning all wrong and doesn't have the pace to cover it we are going to have to spend some real money on a right back if Murty is going to be out for long James at RB wasn't the reason we conceded the goals. Look no further than a certain Wayne Thomas for that. Fingers crossed Murty's injury isn't as bad as it looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 What a bloody disastrous moment that may prove to be. It's not just that we lose Murty, which is bad enough, but that his departure will impact negatively on the development of two potentially key players - James (just moved to a more suitable position where, by all accounts, he was starting to find his feet) and possibly even Lallana (who seemed to have found his niche with Murty behind him and James alongside him). Just as AP starts to fit round pegs into round holes, this happens. Of course, not having been at the game I may well be talking out of my arse, but that's how it sounds to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 What a bloody disastrous moment that may prove to be. It's not just that we lose Murty, which is bad enough, but that his departure will impact negatively on the development of two potentially key players - James (just moved to a more suitable position where, by all accounts, he was starting to find his feet) and possibly even Lallana (who seemed to have found his niche with Murty behind him and James alongside him). Just as AP starts to fit round pegs into round holes, this happens. Of course, not having been at the game I may well be talking out of my arse, but that's how it sounds to me. Not quite...Mellis was in front of Murty and looked far better and comfortable there. It seemed to work very well. Lallana is forging a great partnership with Harding on the left IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 Not quite...Mellis was in front of Murty and looked far better and comfortable there. It seemed to work very well. Lallana is forging a great partnership with Harding on the left IMO. Thanks. So AP kept Lallana out there. My view was obstructed by about 2500 miles of land and another 2000 miles of ocean, so I should have kept my mouth shut. Hopefully, Murty's okay and the impact won't be as severe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsforlife7 Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 Lallana is forging a great partnership with Harding on the left IMO. Have to agree with this, they are looking great down the left. Harding is starting to overlap now and put in some terrific crosses first half especially, whilst Lallana did slide in their when Harding chased the gk down. Lallana seems to be finding his feet on that side, and had his best game in a long while today. Harding is proving to be such a solid signing on a free transfer, just as Murty was on the right, hope he isn't out for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 We need a right back ASAP, LJ is not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 The former Reading skipper was stretchered off the field and initial reports point to serious knee ligament damage that could spell a lengthy lay-off. From the OS Does not sound good If it is, i would imagine that is it, it is a shame his career has been blighted by injury. Feel sorry for the man. Plus he looked very composed in the red and white. Still, here is to hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 Bloody ACL's Get Ifil in IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 Sounds like a bad one, not good news at all. Murty has been first-class since joining and we will feel his absence. James isn't good enough at RB for me and I think we need to get a replacement in, be it on loan or permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 maybe a short term contract for Maurice Volz who is still training at Fulham whilst needing another club.... and has the experience we desperatly need at RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 and we lost James from midfield where think he was doing well Yes that is how I saw it I was surprised that Morgan did not come on when Murty went off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 I have no medical knowledge, other than a history of knee injurys, and one being an ACL injury, i can tell you, it is excruciatingly painfull, and even for me i thought at the time, christ, no more football for me, so god knows what was going through his mind, TBF, if it is a knee injury, and he needed O2, i doubt it's good. That was my meaning with career ending, due to his age, it could be OTT, but i doubt it if it is acl !! When I did mine, I was 18. Leg was in plaster for 6 weeks, and it took months before the stiffness could be worked out, and knee always weak afterwards. Treatment is much better these days, but ACL almost always was the end of a professional career in them thar days. Hope you are right that it isn't ACL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 This sorry tale proves yet again what a monumental waste of precious resources Cup competitions are to a club in our situation . Starting on minus 10 points we've far more important business to concentrate on this season than a relatively unimportant competition few care about and even fewer think we could possibly win anyway . Frankly it would have been preferable to have fielded a team composed entirely of of reserve/youth team players against Northampton in the last round and gotten rid of this irrelevance before we'd played last night and lost an important player for God knows how long . Before I'm accused of being wise after the event I'll hold exactly the same view on the FA Cup and the JPT this season . PS - I reserve the right to completly change my mind should we get a day out at Wembley in a final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 We have less than a week to sign Saejs. We need him. Murty's injury is a serious blow, though tbf we shouldn't be relying on aged defenders in this busy league. Fortunately his injury is before the window closes, so act fast Pards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 This sorry tale proves yet again what a monumental waste of precious resources Cup competitions are to a club in our situation . Starting on minus 10 points we've far more important business to concentrate on this season than a relatively unimportant competition few care about and even fewer think we could possibly win anyway . Frankly it would have been preferable to have fielded a team composed entirely of of reserve/youth team players against Northampton in the last round and gotten rid of this irrelevance before we'd played last night and lost an important player for God knows how long . Before I'm accused of being wise after the event I'll hold exactly the same view on the FA Cup and the JPT this season . PS - I reserve the right to completly change my mind should we get a day out at Wembley in a final Imho the worst scenario would have been a draw. Getting out of the relegation zone (now 14 points to make up) has to be our only priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 missed the actual challenge, since i was watching the ball, which happened a few times, anyone know if there's highlights on t.v, or will we have to wait and hope that its included in the online highlights on bbc/virgin? My missus said that the Birmingham player deliberately stamped on Murty after the ball had gone. Like you I was watching the ball at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 This sorry tale proves yet again what a monumental waste of precious resources Cup competitions are to a club in our situation . Starting on minus 10 points we've far more important business to concentrate on this season than a relatively unimportant competition few care about and even fewer think we could possibly win anyway . Frankly it would have been preferable to have fielded a team composed entirely of of reserve/youth team players against Northampton in the last round and gotten rid of this irrelevance before we'd played last night and lost an important player for God knows how long . Before I'm accused of being wise after the event I'll hold exactly the same view on the FA Cup and the JPT this season . PS - I reserve the right to completly change my mind should we get a day out at Wembley in a final Actually I think that last night showed all of us who actually saw the game that the side we've got, rather than being tacking in ability, is only lacking in motivation and effort in their League games. They proved themselves by playing football at a much higher tempo and ran the game for getting on for 70 minutes against a Prem side, before getting kicked out of it due to the ref's failure to spot endless foul, dirty and late tackles. As far as I'm concerned last night's game was an eye-opener for what those players are capable of WHEN THEY TRY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 This sorry tale proves yet again what a monumental waste of precious resources Cup competitions are to a club in our situation . Starting on minus 10 points we've far more important business to concentrate on this season than a relatively unimportant competition few care about and even fewer think we could possibly win anyway . Frankly it would have been preferable to have fielded a team composed entirely of of reserve/youth team players against Northampton in the last round and gotten rid of this irrelevance before we'd played last night and lost an important player for God knows how long . Before I'm accused of being wise after the event I'll hold exactly the same view on the FA Cup and the JPT this season . PS - I reserve the right to completly change my mind should we get a day out at Wembley in a final That's all well and good, and with the injury you're perhaps somewhat justified in that belief. However, we are a new side with new ideas and this was another chance for the manager to try things out without the pressure of a league game. Say, for instance, Murty had come through unscathed, I genuinely don't think we would have lost the game. That would have given the team a huge confidence boost and could have been the turning point of our season. Last night the performance was excellent and despite losing Murty, which is obviously a huge blow, I think there are many other positives than can be taken from the performance of the team, and indivuduals within it. I'm hoping it will be the kick start that we need to get rid of the points deduction and start dominating games. Only time will tell, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 That's all well and good, and with the injury you're perhaps somewhat justified in that belief. However, we are a new side with new ideas and this was another chance for the manager to try things out without the pressure of a league game. Say, for instance, Murty had come through unscathed, I genuinely don't think we would have lost the game. That would have given the team a huge confidence boost and could have been the turning point of our season. Last night the performance was excellent and despite losing Murty, which is obviously a huge blow, I think there are many other positives than can be taken from the performance of the team, and indivuduals within it. I'm hoping it will be the kick start that we need to get rid of the points deduction and start dominating games. Only time will tell, I suppose. I take the point but we won (& won well IIRC) exactly the same fixture 12 months ago and with the benifit of hindsight it did for us the square root of f*ck all in terms of improving subsequent performances and results . Better to have given them a few days off I say - just my opinion of course . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 Cheque book out very quickly please and sign a replacement right back as Murty is going to be out for a while, Lloyd James is a terrible right back and we need to stop the other team from scoring goals in League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 So yet again we are hostage to fortune when it comes to injuries to key players. I hope that the lesson has been learned which is that we MUST secure a class replacement NOW, tall, tough, experienced and skilful. Sadly, Murty's Saints future is now in long term doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 My missus said that the Birmingham player deliberately stamped on Murty after the ball had gone. Like you I was watching the ball at the time. She asked him did she? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 Cheque book out very quickly please and sign a replacement right back as Murty is going to be out for a while, Lloyd James is a terrible right back and we need to stop the other team from scoring goals in League 1. Or at least get a loan player that is a natural right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 Or at least get a loan player that is a natural right back. +1 definitely - I don't like the idea of using a CB as cover - especially due to the poor quality of our CB at the moment we need a decent RB until Murty is fit - I hope he makes a speedy recovery - I had a horrible feeling before the game something like this would happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 26 August, 2009 Share Posted 26 August, 2009 What a real shame, we do seem a bit cursed when it comes to defence. Just as we start to look half decent, we get yet another injury to a key defender. Hope its not as serious as it first appears & he's back as soon as possible. But we have to either buy or Loan a right back urgently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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