NickG Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Pardew not met Papa yet and knows he speaks little English but is looking at playing him tomorrow. Turned down bids for Morgan and Marek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Not sure how that will go down with MS & Saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Interesting. Not too many times in Saints recent past that we've turned down bids. Is this representative of a policy change as such? It's always been said "if a player wants to leave then they can go". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Pardew not met Papa yet and knows he speaks little English but is looking at playing him tomorrow. Turned down bids for Morgan and Marek Quite refreshing that we can actually turn bids down now, ( for whatever reason ) ... don't you think ???? ...... In the past, Lowe would have been rushing round to the Buying Club with a tin to put the cash in ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 But we dont have to let them go for peanuts anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Perhaps AP feels that to sell MS would have appeared as if he was being pushed around by the French under 21 coach. Or maybe the offers were both derisory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 But we dont have to let them go for peanuts anymore. Or be held to ransom by an agent demanding another big fat fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 September, 2009 think we also turned one down earlier for Lallana. Never before have we turned down 3 bids - except to drive price up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 think we also turned one down earlier for Lallana. Never before have we turned down 3 bids - except to drive price up To be fair, you have absolutely no idea how many bids we've turned down in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 September, 2009 To be fair, you have absolutely no idea how many bids we've turned down in the past. true - but seems in past whenever we hear rumours of clubs interested or players wanting away, they have gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 true - but seems in past whenever we hear rumours of clubs interested or players wanting away, they have gone. +1 i remember our half arsed attempts at rejecting Kenwyne's bids, only to accept an offer ''as it was too good to turn down'' a week or so later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Pardew not met Papa yet and knows he speaks little English but is looking at playing him tomorrow. Turned down bids for Morgan and Marek So whos idea was it to get Papa? If Pards aint met him why is he looking to play him? Surly it cant be another Ali Dia moment? Im hoping the info you have got Nick is more like chinese whispers and in reality pards knows all about Papa and was the man behind getting him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 think we also turned one down earlier for Lallana. Never before have we turned down 3 bids - except to drive price up This is excellent news and a true sign of intent. The tail is no longer wagging the dog. If you want to leave fine, but on our terms and if they are not met, you're staying put. Thanks ML and AP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy_Saint Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 +1 i remember our half arsed attempts at rejecting Kenwyne's bids, only to accept an offer ''as it was too good to turn down'' a week or so later. To be fair though £6 million AND Stern John was an offer too good to turn down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 To be fair though £6 million AND Stern John was an offer too good to turn down. And he had also refused to play for us if he didn't leave... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Good - I hope they stick with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altoniansaints Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 looking forward to seeing this at SMS a few times this season http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnb_LvF1mkY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Er, Kenwyne Jones was a snip at £6m and Stern John IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 This is probably one of the most encouraging bits of news all Summer - for too long we have been a club that nurtured talent and then sold iit off at the first bid. To be able to say 'no' is a massive step forwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 We did turn down a 500k bid for Lallana, early on in the transfer window. A few days after Surman left. I believe it was from Wolves or Stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 I assume Pardew gave the nod on Waigo joining Saints before he signed rather than it being presented to him as a 'fait acomplis'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 I assume Pardew gave the nod on Waigo joining Saints before he signed rather than it being presented to him as a 'fait acomplis'? From AP's quotes it would appear that he was consulted as he seems quite pleased to have him on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 I assume Pardew gave the nod on Waigo joining Saints before he signed rather than it being presented to him as a 'fait acomplis'? I imagine he has seen plenty of videos of him and depending on what we're paying towards his wages, it is a fairly low risk signing anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 ...of course, if you believe some crazies on this forum, keeping MS&MS against their will is a terrible, terrible thing and their suspect temperament and commitment will be a cancerous rot that slowly eats the club from within blah blah blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 To be fair though £6 million AND Stern John was an offer too good to turn down. i still believe he was worth more than that TBH. If you look at Chopra...he went for £5m, but IMO Jones was twice the player in terms of natrual atributes and ability to improve - and he also had the potential to play in the prem(which he has proven) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Yes...............but he still went on strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 From AP's quotes it would appear that he was consulted as he seems quite pleased to have him on board. I seem to remember JP being pleased with all the signings he was presented too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 I assume Pardew gave the nod on Waigo joining Saints before he signed rather than it being presented to him as a 'fait acomplis'? Who in the club would present pardew with a fait accompli? I thought we had purged it of all meglomaniacs? Certainly Cortese seems to be intelligent and humble enough to defer to experts on footballing matters - hence the DoF idea. To the extent that we don't have a DoF (and even then signings would probably be a cooperative exercise - only in the basketcase world of Lowe isn't it), can't believe AP wasn't involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 September, 2009 most managers would not have seen several of their signings, thats why they employ scout and invest in dvd players. I would expect a manager to meet the player - however, guess the pressure of transfer deadline and fact it was a loan meant it didn't happen in this singing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 I assume Pardew gave the nod on Waigo joining Saints before he signed rather than it being presented to him as a 'fait acomplis'? No, we've actually got some scouts now, don't you know?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 In the past, Lowe would have been rushing round to the Buying Club with a tin to put the cash in ......... Of the thousand and one sticks you could hit Lowe with it's stupid to accuse him of not playing hardball when selling players and not getting decent prices for them. £8m for Dean Richards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Who in the club would present pardew with a fait accompli? I thought we had purged it of all meglomaniacs? Certainly Cortese seems to be intelligent and humble enough to defer to experts on footballing matters - hence the DoF idea. To the extent that we don't have a DoF (and even then signings would probably be a cooperative exercise - only in the basketcase world of Lowe isn't it), can't believe AP wasn't involved. Lowe wanted a DOF too. It was his choice to fill the position that was the problem. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Of the thousand and one sticks you could hit Lowe with it's stupid to accuse him of not playing hardball when selling players and not getting decent prices for them. £8m for Dean Richards! the ONLY thing lowe was good at...getting the best money we could for a player.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Quite refreshing that we can actually turn bids down now, ( for whatever reason ) ... don't you think ???? ...... In the past, Lowe would have been rushing round to the Buying Club with a tin to put the cash in ......... What's this got to do with Lowe ffs? Did we never buy players under Lowe as well as sell? :confused: You need to get a life SaintRichmond as you are seriously obsessed, move on like we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Supposedly we have a personal connection at the mighty viola which helped seal the deal for Papa. Wonder who that might be. Indeed, the West Ham General Manager thought we had f**k all chance of getting him. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1787575,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 i still believe he was worth more than that TBH. If you look at Chopra...he went for £5m, but IMO Jones was twice the player in terms of natrual atributes and ability to improve - and he also had the potential to play in the prem(which he has proven) I'd have to disagree. Nobody spends more than that on CCC player. Nugent - £7m, Andy Johnson - £7m, Chopra - £5m Players like Obafemi Martins, Peter Crouch and Jermaine Defoe have gone for £10m, if you had that kind of cash to spend, why would you go for an unproven CCC player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 (edited) Illuminating interview with Pards on Saints Player - took a shine to a nonleague player but didn't work out; the major disappointment was that we didn't offload any players - in particular, some of the younger ones on loan and one or two senior ones. Interesting who Pards identified as the 'core' of the team which could go anywhere -Liverpool or Carlisle- and compete (Davis, Trottman, Jaidi, Perry, Lloyd, Hammond, Morgan, Saga, Papa, Lambert, Patterson) Edited 4 September, 2009 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Supposedly we have a personal connection at the mighty viola which helped seal the deal for Papa. Wonder who that might be. Indeed, the West Ham General Manager thought we had f**k all chance of getting him. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1787575,00.html wasn't Lupoli from their as well (who we were very close to signing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Supposedly we have a personal connection at the mighty viola which helped seal the deal for Papa. Wonder who that might be. Indeed, the West Ham General Manager thought we had f**k all chance of getting him. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1787575,00.html Interesting. Cheers. Pardew continued: "Papa Waigo comes to us from Fiorentina and he's highly recommended. I spoke to Gianluca Nani, the General Manager at West Ham and he said that he would be very surprised if we pulled off the signing. "We've managed to do it though, and now Papa has a platform here to really push on. He'll offer real pace and athleticism to our front line, and we're looking forward to seeing him today (Friday). If his work permit comes through he could be available for Saturday. "Amongst us, we obviously have contacts at various clubs, and we've used that knowledge to assist us more than anything else so far. We have a personal connection at Fiorentina, which helped, so we're lucky to have him, but we'll only be lucky if he's a success." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 I seem to remember JP being pleased with all the signings he was presented too. He'd have been happy with a one legged donkey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_hill Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 So whos idea was it to get Papa? If Pards aint met him why is he looking to play him? No doubt a source Pards trusts has recommended him. And I don't think it's an Ali Dia moment judging by this (especially considering the opposition): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q60eH7rauWU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 No doubt a source Pards trusts has recommended him. And I don't think it's an Ali Dia moment judging by this (especially considering the opposition): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q60eH7rauWU Looked a bit of a scrappy finish, but then you realise who he just scored against! Gianluigi Buffon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Er, Kenwyne Jones was a snip at £6m and Stern John IMO. Well yeah, but only because he's since proven capable of better at a higher level - at the time he was a good CCC striker who had just started to show his potential - I was always a big fan of his ("KEN~!!!!") and thought he could get a regular game at a BorInG 4 club at some point, but we did well from that deal based on what he'd actually achieved at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 This is excellent news and a true sign of intent. The tail is no longer wagging the dog. If you want to leave fine, but on our terms and if they are not met, you're staying put. Thanks ML and AP I agree. For once we don't HAVE to sell. OK ..we bear in mind that they are " not happy " and want to leave (if thats the case) but they stay put until we want to sell ..and at a market price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 No doubt a source Pards trusts has recommended him. And I don't think it's an Ali Dia moment judging by this (especially considering the opposition): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q60eH7rauWU To be fair that goal shouldn't really impress anyone, I've seen parks players move the ball quicker than that and hit better finishes. AND he fell over whilst doing it... bad defending as much as anything. Nice though it is that we're signing someone who has scored against Juve, it doesn't really mean much in isolation. Saganowski scored in the Champions League group stages against Villareal last season, after all. If he starts running the show for fun and drags the rest of the side up to a Serie A level, then I'll start getting impressed. Stupid dance/walk thing, but I can see the back-pat catching on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Looked a bit of a scrappy finish, but then you realise who he just scored against! Gianluigi Buffon! He has scored at least 2 goals against Juventus and Gianluigi Buffon. Not many League One strikers can say that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 +1 i remember our half arsed attempts at rejecting Kenwyne's bids, only to accept an offer ''as it was too good to turn down'' a week or so later. £6million and Stern John WAS too good to turn down, to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 Interesting. Cheers. Pardew continued: "Papa Waigo comes to us from Fiorentina and he's highly recommended. I spoke to Gianluca Nani, the General Manager at West Ham and he said that he would be very surprised if we pulled off the signing. "We've managed to do it though, and now Papa has a platform here to really push on. He'll offer real pace and athleticism to our front line, and we're looking forward to seeing him today (Friday). If his work permit comes through he could be available for Saturday. "Amongst us, we obviously have contacts at various clubs, and we've used that knowledge to assist us more than anything else so far. We have a personal connection at Fiorentina, which helped, so we're lucky to have him, but we'll only be lucky if he's a success." Could be that we have Mr Cortese to thank for Papa, one of the deals he has previously been involved in at Banque Heritage could have involved Fiorentina or given that he's Italian, he may have some connection with Fio. Pardew may have spoken to Nani, to get a football perspective on the deal, before giving his approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 He has scored at least 2 goals against Juventus and Gianluigi Buffon. Not many League One strikers can say that Well, when we get into European competition, we know we'll be ok when we are drawn against Juve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 September, 2009 Share Posted 4 September, 2009 To be fair to Lowe, he did turn down offers in his last Transfer window......................3 months before we went into admin. Personally, I dont want people at the Club who dont want to be there. Hopefully, this means that Pards believes the two will contribute. Either that, or the offers were really poor and we working on offloading them on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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