Northam Girls Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 On radio - Oscar Gobern gone on loan to MK Dons to join big brother Lewis Good luck to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Is this where the 'one out, one in' policy kicks in then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Interesting that the MK Dons think he can do a job at this level. When moved inside against united he looked a genuine Charlton Palmer Mark II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Interesting that the MK Dons think he can do a job at this level. When moved inside against united he looked a genuine Charlton Palmer Mark II. Charlton Palmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4634900.Gobern_to_join_MK_Dons/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Seems an odd move to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Charlton Palmer? Yes, I don't know whether that was a compliment or an insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Seems an odd move to me. And me. Why send him out to a club in the same league? Up to the CCC or down to L2 yeah - but the same league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 And me. Why send him out to a club in the same league? Up to the CCC or down to L2 yeah - but the same league? And only for a month :confused: Do they have a load of short term midfield injuries or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 And only for a month :confused: Do they have a load of short term midfield injuries or something? yes they do...and they won the other night too with loads of players out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Interesting that the MK Dons think he can do a job at this level. When moved inside against united he looked a genuine Charlton Palmer Mark II. I'd be surprised if Gobern gets anywhere near the 'quality' of Carlton Palmer. He got alot of stick, but was a decent player for us and a good few teams at the top level and played for England (albeit under Taylor). If Gobern ever plays for England, I'll eat a jester's hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Charlton Palmer? he paints pictures throughout the pitch. Actually he's more Carlton Palmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 And only for a month :confused: Do they have a load of short term midfield injuries or something? Maybe we want him to get a month's football at this level before making him a 'proper' member of our first team squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Yes, I don't know whether that was a compliment or an insult. rangey, leggy whole hearted central midfielder. He looked to be a beter tackler than dribbler which makes me wonder why we play him out on the wing, but then again I've not seen him a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 And me. Why send him out to a club in the same league? Up to the CCC or down to L2 yeah - but the same league? maybe he is going to get more chances there to get a game which will ultimatly do him more good than sitting with us in the reserves. i doubt there are any CCC teams that will give him more opertunities than us and maybe its thought league 2 will do him more harm than good? if he gets some run outs and shows improvments it will do his case the world of good to come back here and earn a place. if he cant cut it at this level with the dons then he will have no chance with us so will be shipped out i guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Well maybe the bleak old dark days of last season taught me that we should never loan players out to our fellow competitors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Lallana/Mills/Holmes in front of him. Makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Strange one indeed if only for one month - presumably we're not playing 'em during this time. Can't be bothered to check their games, but perhaps MKDons are playing the teams at the bottom of the table and agent Gobern is there to score loads to effectively assist our struggle upwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigersaint Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Strange one indeed if only for one month - presumably we're not playing 'em during this time. Can't be bothered to check their games, but perhaps MKDons are playing the teams at the bottom of the table and agent Gobern is there to score loads to effectively assist our struggle upwards? We're at home to MK Dons on Sat 24th Oct, hopefully will be back with us by then, if not, would a loan agreement include a clause that he couldn't play against us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 rangey, leggy whole hearted central midfielder. He looked to be a beter tackler than dribbler which makes me wonder why we play him out on the wing, but then again I've not seen him a great deal. P:ss taking about the whole Charlton thing aside i fully agree. I'm really hoping he goes on to be the fans favorite that i suspect he will... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Good move for me. He's getting experience in the division we're in, and he's playing for a competitive team in this league. He'll come back better for it IMO. - much more worthwhile that going to L2 on loan i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boy done well Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Maybe just another indication as to how strong a squad we now have. Gobern was very much on the fringes of our first team yet MK Dons nearly went up last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Good move for me. He's getting experience in the division we're in, and he's playing for a competitive team in this league. He'll come back better for it IMO. - much more worthwhile that going to L2 on loan i think. I'm not honestly so sure he'll be playing though, which is why I think it's a weird one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 I'm not honestly so sure he'll be playing though, which is why I think it's a weird one. i think he will - they're really struggling for numbers atm, as Ince was talking about it on monday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Strange one indeed if only for one month - presumably we're not playing 'em during this time. Can't be bothered to check their games, but perhaps MKDons are playing the teams at the bottom of the table and agent Gobern is there to score loads to effectively assist our struggle upwards? they're playing some of the lower teams, Wycombe, Oldham & Brighton, but also some of the top teams, Leeds & Gillingham and also Walsall. Then they get to play the bottom team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Good move for me. He's getting experience in the division we're in, and he's playing for a competitive team in this league. He'll come back better for it IMO. - much more worthwhile that going to L2 on loan i think. .+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 well...one could say that it makes our position look even more daft (rooted in the relegation zone) when a favoured team like MK Dons takes a player from saints who is not even on the bench, on loan... no doubt that will get over analysed and I get some sort of stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 Hope this don't lead to him moving there for good, I rate him and I reckon in time he could become a very good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 well...one could say that it makes our position look even more daft (rooted in the relegation zone) when a favoured team like MK Dons takes a player from saints who is not even on the bench, on loan... no doubt that will get over analysed and I get some sort of stick Watch out - Scudamore's about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 loan a player to someone in our league... helpful now he can gain other teams points just like Rasiak did last season for Watford... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 17 September, 2009 Share Posted 17 September, 2009 loan a player to someone in our league... helpful now he can gain other teams points just like Rasiak did last season for Watford... And in doing so reduced the number of points acquired by others. It's a double-edged sword. Personally I think it's a good move for him. He is on the fringes here and has come off the bench 3 times out of the 4 he has been there this season. But we have a stronger squad after signing Hammond and with Mills and Holmes back he is a bit further down the pecking order. At MKD he will join up with his brother and will (hopefully) gain valuable experience of playing in this league. It's a long season and when Hammond has to miss a couple of games (which will happen at some point) it could be down to a choice of Wotton, Gillett or Gobern to step up to the plate. If he makes a good impression at MKD it could push him into the frame upon his return. Good luck Oscar, and come back a better (or at least more experienced) player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 I'm really angered by this decision... if he goes on loan, it should NEVER be to a club in the same league as your own. NEVER. Why? 1) It unsettles players. They go to a new club, like it, and kind of want to stay. A perfect example of this was Nathan Dyer, and it was proven by the fact that every time he went on loan, whether it be to Burnley, Sheff Utd or Swansea - he always played better there than he did at Saints. 2) It may improve a rivals team. If by some miracle Saints survive a relegation battle and even push for the play offs at the end of the season, what will we be thinking when we are beaten to 6th by an MK Dons side, who grabbed a point extra because of a moment of magic from their loanee earlier in the season. 3) Why can't he go to League Two? Its not as if he is too good for that league. And surely the clubs would want him. If he wants to build confidence, why doesn't he play in a slightly less competitive league? I understand why he is going out on loan, and yes, it is important that he plays games. He shouldn't be joining MK Dons though - that is the mistake for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 the return of proper regular saturday reserve team football would stop most of this stuff!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 On radio - Oscar Gobern gone on loan to MK Dons to join big brother Lewis Good luck to him Great idea. Oscar is a good prospect and he needs matches every week. The " loan-out " principle is not a back door way of getting rid of someone, but in giving experience to someone who might not normally get a game with our first side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 I'm very surprised no one has gone for the 'Foxtrot Oscar' play-on-words banter laden retort yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 Hmm, i just hope that this is not a loan for an unsettled player who wants to move else where. I rate the lad, think he is a very good prospect. we shall see. It could be a good loan - Comes back stronger, more confident, forces his way into our first 11. It could be bad - Ince realises his pedigree, turns his head, he wants to stay with his brother etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 I'm very surprised no one has gone for the 'Foxtrot Oscar' play-on-words banter laden retort yet If we'd loaned him to Leicester, I'd be all over it. Can't see much harm in this, he's clearly the new Patrick Vieira and the sooner he gets around to doing so for us the better. I'm only half joking btw. I reckon we'll end up flogging him for about £5m to a Prem Club while we're in the Championship and all getting furious about it, but as far as specific predictions go, this one's from quite a range. Anyone want to sticky it for a few years ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 I'm really angered by this decision... if he goes on loan, it should NEVER be to a club in the same league as your own. NEVER. Why? 1) It unsettles players. They go to a new club, like it, and kind of want to stay. A perfect example of this was Nathan Dyer, and it was proven by the fact that every time he went on loan, whether it be to Burnley, Sheff Utd or Swansea - he always played better there than he did at Saints. 2) It may improve a rivals team. If by some miracle Saints survive a relegation battle and even push for the play offs at the end of the season, what will we be thinking when we are beaten to 6th by an MK Dons side, who grabbed a point extra because of a moment of magic from their loanee earlier in the season. 3) Why can't he go to League Two? Its not as if he is too good for that league. And surely the clubs would want him. If he wants to build confidence, why doesn't he play in a slightly less competitive league? I understand why he is going out on loan, and yes, it is important that he plays games. He shouldn't be joining MK Dons though - that is the mistake for me. some of those points are fair but how about thinking along these lines: Gobern goes out on loan, gets the valuable experience he needs at this level and then when he comes back he breaks into the side, and because of the time away he has improved just enough to make that little bit of difference that subsequently earns us an extra point to take us into 6th position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 If we'd loaned him to Leicester, I'd be all over it. Can't see much harm in this, he's clearly the new Patrick Vieira and the sooner he gets around to doing so for us the better. I'm only half joking btw. I reckon we'll end up flogging him for about £5m to a Prem Club while we're in the Championship and all getting furious about it, but as far as specific predictions go, this one's from quite a range. Anyone want to sticky it for a few years ? I like your way of thinking. I thought Palmer-esque, but you've gone one step further and gone for Viera. Have we signed him on a five year deal yet. If we believe he will cut it we need to get him signed up long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 some of those points are fair but how about thinking along these lines: Gobern goes out on loan, gets the valuable experience he needs at this level and then when he comes back he breaks into the side, and because of the time away he has improved just enough to make that little bit of difference that subsequently earns us an extra point to take us into 6th position. Also he brings back some great inside knowledge of MK - useful for when we play them in the play-offs at the end of the season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 We're at home to MK Dons on Sat 24th Oct, hopefully will be back with us by then, if not, would a loan agreement include a clause that he couldn't play against us? Maybe he's gone to scout them!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 I have a sneaky suspicion from reading bettween the lines in Pardews comments that we won't see Oscar in a saints shirt again, hope I'm wrong but thats my gut feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 And me. Why send him out to a club in the same league? Up to the CCC or down to L2 yeah - but the same league? My thoughts too. AP seems to be using MK to get him match fit, then in a month's time presumably put him in our matchday squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 I have a sneaky suspicion from reading bettween the lines in Pardews comments that we won't see Oscar in a saints shirt again, hope I'm wrong but thats my gut feeling. Pardew is clear he doesn't want this to be a perm move, so we have to trust that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 18 September, 2009 Share Posted 18 September, 2009 On recent lack of performance Gobern isn't good enough for our first team. I don't know what he's good at. Doesn't seem to be up for it and doesn't show any speed. Very much like Thomson. If he can't get into our team, why would he get into MKDon's side who are up towards the top of the table? This is one of the strangest loans I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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