John B Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 I dont think we have lost since the injury to Davis so is Bart doing OK or should Pardew be looking for another GK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Bart is getting games under his belt, as he should do. He'll get better and better. This could have been the right time for KD to have his injury, if there can actually be a right time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Bart is good enough to be the back up for Kelvin. He did play for Poland u21's. He has proved a few times that he can handle playing in the championship just struggles when he is not confident. That will come with age and more experience though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Never mind looking for another GK... should KD get back in the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 I think the defence has tightened up since kelvin got injured and bart hasn't really been tested properly yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 12 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2009 I think the defence has tightened up since kelvin got injured and bart hasn't really been tested properly yet. I agree but he has nothing nothing wrong though has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 I agree but he has nothing nothing wrong though has he? Not from what i hear no, i wasn't digging at bart but think it's still probably to early to judge, think we might see him tested next saturday, we know he's a good keeper but just hope he's got his early saints career form back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 12 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Not from what i hear no, i wasn't digging at bart but think it's still probably to early to judge, think we might see him tested next saturday, we know he's a good keeper but just hope he's got his early saints career form back. No I know you were not digging at Bart and agree that he has not been really tested though. I think some posters were suggesting that after Davis was injured Bart would be making mistakes and putting results in doubt but this has not happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Kelvin Davis is an excellent shot stopper, but I can't help but be worried when a ball is crossed into the 6 yard area as he doesn't command his box well enough, and IMO it invites unnecessary pressure on our defense. Bartos on the other i feel has a much better command of his area and doesn't hesitate to come out when needed. I think he will get better and better as he gets more match practice and it wouldn't surprise me if he gets back to his best and show everyone why we recruited him while we were still in the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 I think he will get better and better as he gets more match practice and it wouldn't surprise me if he gets back to his best and show everyone why we recruited him while we were still in the premier league. We didn't. Burley signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Kelvin Davis is an excellent shot stopper, but I can't help but be worried when a ball is crossed into the 6 yard area as he doesn't command his box well enough, and IMO it invites unnecessary pressure on our defense. Bartos on the other i feel has a much better command of his area and doesn't hesitate to come out when needed. I think he will get better and better as he gets more match practice and it wouldn't surprise me if he gets back to his best and show everyone why we recruited him while we were still in the premier league. I actually believe Bart is a perfectly capable keeper, possibly better than KD. He just doesn't have the experience of KD. Games will make Bart better and better, expecially behind a winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 The more he plays the better he'll get. I think he's our long term future between the sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 I agree but he has nothing nothing wrong though has he? To be honest he hasn't done much right! He came for 3 crosses at Walsaal, and got no where near any of them, then he caught one and nearly threw it in his own net. Looked a bit more composed today but I still don't feel he commanded his area well, and for a guy his size he should be winning everything in the air in or around his 6 yard box. Afraid he doesn't fill me with confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Bart was very assured tonight. Dealt with pretty much everything. Since he has been back in the team, he has conceded a goal against Charlton, which was offside in the build up, a freak own goal and a penalty at Northants and kept clean sheets in 3 of his other 4 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Bart should stay in until he has a dip. He's done nothing wrong and should stay in the team. Davis has had a couple of bad games this season so I certainly don;t see a need to rush him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Bart was very assured tonight. Dealt with pretty much everything. Since he has been back in the team, he has conceded a goal against Charlton, which was offside in the build up, a freak own goal and a penalty at Northants and kept clean sheets in 3 of his other 4 games. As I predicted - Bart is conceding less goals - consistantly - the figures do not lie....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Bart is the man - 'Bartman' for short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 As I predicted - Bart is conceding less goals - consistantly - the figures do not lie....... Neither does the fixture list. Wycombe were poor and Tranmere shockingly so. Tuesday and Saturday and big games and especially do for Bart. He could well have a lot to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Bart was very assured tonight. Dealt with pretty much everything. Since he has been back in the team, he has conceded a goal against Charlton, which was offside in the build up, a freak own goal and a penalty at Northants and kept clean sheets in 3 of his other 4 games. Have to disagree. 3 times he dithered whether to come for a ball and ended up putting the defence under pressure. Granted he dealt with crosses better today but to me he looks like KD did in his first season. I hope he goes on to prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 He did get a few balls though and with his height teams may start to try to pass it round the keeper....like we do and waste time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Stats are on his side, but I would definately be more comfortable if we had "Shotstopper" Davis in goal at Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Stats are on his side, but I would definately be more comfortable if we had "Shotstopper" Davis in goal at Leeds. Not if he flaps at every cross! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Have to disagree. 3 times he dithered whether to come for a ball and ended up putting the defence under pressure. Granted he dealt with crosses better today but to me he looks like KD did in his first season. I hope he goes on to prove me wrong. The difference being that Kelvin was best part of a decade more experienced then. The reason I like Bart (other than the fact that he seems genuinely likeable) is that he is one of three players (Morgan and Lallana being the others) who could grow with us and still be playing for Saints in the Prem in say 5 years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Can't see Kevlin getting back into the side anytime soon. Bart commands the area and distributes the ball a lot better than KD and doesn't seem to have the same wobbly moments in him like Kelv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Somehow I feel more relaxed with him in goal and the same seems to go for the defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 Somehow I feel more relaxed with him in goal and the same seems to go for the defence. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 I'm just delighted to hear that Bart's overcome his troubles and showing his potential, or ability again. Well done Bart :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 12 December, 2009 Share Posted 12 December, 2009 I have to disagree with a lot of people re: Bialkowski. Whilst he has been OK in his last few matches, he doesn't fill me with confidence and his distribution is poor. However, he hasn't played in a long while and he's getting games under his belt, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Having said all that, he commanded his area well again today, and did what he had to do when called upon. I don't think Pardew needs to be on the lookout for another keeper to fill the void left by Kelvin, as Bartosz is more than capable of filling in. Still, I just don't feel as confident in BB as others seem to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguin Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Bart seems a lot better at distributing the ball than KD, but I'd rather have KD for the Norwich and Leeds games if possible. I don't think Bart has been tested yet. KD is a proven shot stopper, we're bound to give away a penalty in at least one of those games and I'm not sure Bart would be able to rise to the challenge of those games when the fans are, rightly or not, expecting wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al de Man Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 As I predicted - Bart is conceding less goals - consistantly - the figures do not lie....... Similarly, the figures only tell half the story. Go to the official site for the match report and there's one very significant figure. Tranmere Shots on Target - 1 It's a similar story for the previous matches; Walsall - 3 Wycombe - 3 Northampton - 4 Now compare that to what KD faced in his last full games immediately prior to injury; Norwich - 7 Brighton - 7 Charlton - 5 Bristol Rovers - 5 I accept that even this doesn't tell the full story as they're not broken down into "impossible to reach", "required World class save", "gentle header aimed straight at the keeper" etc. but is it really any surprise that KD conceded more goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Apart from anything else I think Bart should be in the team just for his ability to claim crosses and distribute the ball quickly. Kelvin is a great keeper, but especially with our weakness at RB at this moment in time we need someone who can dominate the air near the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altoniansaints Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 When KD is fit and ready to come back i think it is gonna be a tough one for AP to call. having said that Barts has got till the new year to claim his place and show AP what he can do and IMHO i think Barts has got what it takes to keep KD out of the team with few more clean sheats over the christmas period! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 I'm not a fan, but as a second string keep hes pretty decent. Compare him to Franchise FC's first choice keeper and he starts to look very good. I have to say his wrong foot kicking yesterdy was excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKimish Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Bart seems a lot better at distributing the ball than KD, but I'd rather have KD for the Norwich and Leeds games if possible. I don't think Bart has been tested yet. KD is a proven shot stopper, we're bound to give away a penalty in at least one of those games and I'm not sure Bart would be able to rise to the challenge of those games when the fans are, rightly or not, expecting wins. You clearly aren't a regular at St. Mary's then. Bart's distribution is shocking, he kicks far more than KD straight out of touch or straight to their keeper as we saw yesterday ... and he doesn't have the consistent heigh and placement that Davis has from goal kicks. He also seems to try and throw the ball out too quickly after catching a cross. While this works well 25% of the time, I sometimes feel he needs to slow down a bit. However this is all something that will come with experience and confidence, throwing him straight out of the team the second we see difficult opposition coming our way is not what Bart needs as a player. Let him rise to the challenge of the two big games we have coming up, he has more than earned his chance. Before his injury in the Newcastle cup game (I think?) he was doing brilliantly for Saints in a much higher division, producing some stunning saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Before his injury in the Newcastle cup game (I think?) he was doing brilliantly for Saints in a much higher division, producing some stunning saves. Yeah... thats what I remember of him. He looked a fantastic prospect than that injury completely buggered him up. He was much, much younger back then but seldom looked over-awed. I really hope he can get back to his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 (edited) As I posted in the Tranmere build up thread: Bart to keep up his 100% record. Barnsley v WBA FLC W 3-1 Barnsley v Ipswich FLC W 2-1 H Charlton JPT W 2-1 A Hartlepool FL1 W 3-1 (30 min sub appearance) A Northampton FAC W 3-2 H Wycombe FL1 W 1-0 A Walsall FL1 W 3-1 H Tranmere FL1 W 3-0 (bugger! got it right here but wrong in the prediction league) Doing well and commands the are much better than KD IMO (his extra height allows him to come for more crosses). Edited 13 December, 2009 by krissyboy31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 As an ex-keeper myself, I have this uncontrollable urge to shout 'KEEEEPEER' whenever I think he should come for the ball. Yesterday he did exactly what I screamed. In fact, during the second half when he was down my end (ooer missus), I'm sure he looked up in my direction with a slight nod of appreciation/agreement (maybe not). I'll look after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 (edited) As I predicted - Bart is conceding less goals - consistantly - the figures do not lie....... It hasn't actually had anything to do with Bart though, I've seen every minute he's played since he came on at Hartlepool and he's only basically had one big save to make, the defence has improved significantly since he started playing, probably because they're trying harder to protect him. He's come and collected a load of crosses comfortably enough but has hardly been tested and hasn't been able to do anything much about the goals we've conceded. Fundamentally he is a good goalkeeper. Edited 13 December, 2009 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Apparently, Kelvin did some training last week and is looking to come back in a week or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 15 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 December, 2009 Apparently, Kelvin did some training last week and is looking to come back in a week or so. Is Bart not OK now with his penalty saves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 15 December, 2009 Share Posted 15 December, 2009 Is Bart not OK now with his penalty saves? Not just the pens, it sounded like a very assured performance all round from bart, watch out kelvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 15 December, 2009 Share Posted 15 December, 2009 Bart is a legend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 15 December, 2009 Share Posted 15 December, 2009 Well done Bart, NICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 15 December, 2009 Share Posted 15 December, 2009 Top man Bart. Just hope this helps give you the confidence boost you've probably needed for 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcuk fan Posted 15 December, 2009 Share Posted 15 December, 2009 Well f*** my *****, Bart has definately proved his worth tonight Top man Bart, watch out Kelv ps ... wot a crackin match :D:D:D:D . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 15 December, 2009 Share Posted 15 December, 2009 tBH Thought he was hopeless since he injured himself giving a goal kick. Now starting to believe in him. Was disappointed he couldn't keep a clean sheet - Norwich 1st goal was described as a comedy of errors. But wow did he make up for that! 3 penalty saves? After Antonio's miss I said "he can't save another one!" Boy was I wrong. Nice one Bart Best night of your life tonight? I'll bet he can't sleep till dawn. Well done mate and thanks for the thrills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted 15 December, 2009 Share Posted 15 December, 2009 He needs to sort his distribution out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 December, 2009 Share Posted 15 December, 2009 I was one of Barts biggest dissenters. On recent performances I was DEFINITELY wrong. And happy about it too. All he needed was ro build his confidence back up. Good work Bart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 15 December, 2009 Share Posted 15 December, 2009 Originally Posted by John B I agree but he has nothing nothing wrong though has he? Not from what i hear no, i wasn't digging at bart but think it's still probably to early to judge, think we might see him tested next saturday, we know he's a good keeper but just hope he's got his early saints career form back. I don't know how Bart played tonight, but I would go for Bart from previous. I like Kelvin and would not be unhappy with him in goal, but he just seems that little short in getting to the high / loopy ones in the corner. Bart looks much better for the crosses but he has got away with a couple. Just think we are very lucky to have two such good keepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 15 December, 2009 Share Posted 15 December, 2009 Always liked bart but he was really bad until laetly glad we have old. Bart back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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