wild-saint Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 TBF the majority of Burnley's fanbase were of the opinion that he was their POTS last year. I have no idea why we're debating if Jack Cork is good enough for us, when he clearly would walk into our team. in the cup game this year against Man Who 3/4 of their team were really poor but i would still take pretty much all of them if the chance arose for saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Rohan Ricketts - Cork - Hammond - Lallana = Dream team imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 TBF the majority of Burnley's fanbase were of the opinion that he was their POTS last year. I have no idea why we're debating if Jack Cork is good enough for us, when he clearly would walk into our team. Thanks for saving me the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Even playing out of position he looked unambitious and most of his passing was safety first sideways and back. There is no way he could play in the same midfield as Schneiderlin. Chaplow maybe, but he looks like he is still an unambitious defensive midfielder which we don't need. We do need a driver in midfield that will make us play. 2-0 up and cruising isn't the time to take risks. Can't write him off from 45 minutes out of position in a friendly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Our left back didn't seem to be stopped from attacking and how would I know? Do you? I'm not the one making judgements on the basis of half a game played out of position with no knowledge of what the brief was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 2-0 up and cruising isn't the time to take risks. Can't write him off from 45 minutes out of position in a friendly! I'm not writing him off, I am saying I'm not sure he is what we need. Schneiderlin is similar in many respects I can't see them as a pair. As I said previously we need a leader/driver in midfield, neither Cork or Schneiderlin are a leader. I never said he wasn't talented but he was unambitious and ultra safe, Gibbs on the other side was the opposite, adventurous. He was out of position but has played there before, however he didn't show anything other than to play sideways and back. In any event I'd be surprised if we signed him. It's only paper talk a bid has been accepted and other sources put that wide of the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I'm not writing him off, I am saying I'm not sure he is what we need. Schneiderlin is similar in many respects I can't see them as a pair. As I said previously we need a leader/driver in midfield, neither Cork or Schneiderlin are a leader. I never said he wasn't talented but he was unambitious and ultra safe, Gibbs on the other side was the opposite, adventurous. He was out of position but has played there before, however he didn't show anything other than to play sideways and back. In any event I'd be surprised if we signed him. It's only paper talk a bid has been accepted and other sources put that wide of the mark. But it's one half of football. In a friendly. When he was out of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 But it's one half of football. In a friendly. When he was out of position. I've seen him playing for S****horpe, then his half season with Saints plus the odd tv game, I was expecting him to have stepped up a gear from then but he was still the same. I wouldn't be overenthusiastic if he signed but we would need to sign a leader to play central midfielder with him. I'd be surprised if we sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 But it's one half of football. In a friendly. When he was out of position.It was a game before the real competition starts and a chance to impress the Manager, particularly as he was not first choice. Did nothing to suggest he "wanted it" I am sure he is a decent player but is he right for us in a central midfield position if he does nothing more than play safe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 It was a game before the real competition starts and a chance to impress the Manager, particularly as he was not first choice. Did nothing to suggest he "wanted it" I am sure he is a decent player but is he right for us in a central midfield position if he does nothing more than play safe! So what! Any player in the world can have a poor 45 minutes in a game when played out of position. There could have been any number of factors. If we are going to judge players on shaky information then I would much rather go on the views of Burnley fans who see him every week or even the number of NPC managers who are looking to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I'm not writing him off, I am saying I'm not sure he is what we need. Schneiderlin is similar in many respects I can't see them as a pair. As I said previously we need a leader/driver in midfield, neither Cork or Schneiderlin are a leader. I agree on this. He's too similar to Schneiderlin to be an effective pairing, unless we don't play 442 of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 It was a game before the real competition starts and a chance to impress the Manager, particularly as he was not first choice. Did nothing to suggest he "wanted it" I am sure he is a decent player but is he right for us in a central midfield position if he does nothing more than play safe! Didn't see the game Weston, but I'd never form an opinion of someone when they play for England! I think Cork would be a top signing. (I'd take Danns too, of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 been watching England for years, hope we don't sign Rooney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Personally hope we sign Cork... A very good player who would be just right for the mighty Saints. Nigel will hopefully sign this top class footballer. COYS WIFM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I agree on this. He's too similar to Schneiderlin to be an effective pairing, unless we don't play 442 of course. Agree with you and Derry. Would much rather sign someone like Danns. That's what we are missing; forward mobility and dynamism from CM (other than from Chaplow but he is not really good enough to be a first choice starter every week). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I agree on this. He's too similar to Schneiderlin to be an effective pairing, unless we don't play 442 of course. I remember the comments that we need 2 players in every position, we missed Morgan very badly although we was winning games but at times we struggled. Cork is a great signing and I hope it comes off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allie290486 Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Jack Cork is quality - someone that spreads the ball around well and is not afraid to put in a hard tackle. He reminds me of a young Matt Oakley and is one that can play in the premier if we eventually get there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 How do you define 'experienced'? Would it be a 35 year old ex-Premier League midfielder who is slowly working his way down the leagues? Jack Cork is only 21, but he has played in the Premier League, has represented England at every level from U.16s to U.21s, and made 40 Championship appearances last season alone. He is sought after by a number of clubs, and highly rated. Rightly so. If I had to choose between an old experienced player or a highly rated young player, I wouldn't need to even think about it. I don't think experience comes into it, if you're good enough, then you're good enough. Cork is good enough IMO. We made a thing of signing experienced midfield players, Alan ball and Jimmy Case to mention two who did well for us. You sign what your team needs at the time - sometimes that can be experience. Lots of people turned their noses up at Jim McCalliog but his pass won us the 1976 FA cup. Sometimes managers see things we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Quality player - hope he signs. Cortese will buy him at the right price only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. It might be AOC is part of the deal (Chelsea might just as well buy him to stop their competitors getting him), then again it might not. Not much point speculating whether we sign anyone until they arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. It might be AOC is part of the deal (Chelsea might just as well buy him to stop their competitors getting him), then again it might not. Not much point speculating whether we sign anyone until they arrive. I think Corks out of contract, and the 750k is going to chelsea as part of a development fee. I may be wrong though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damers Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 I think he has 1 year left on his contract, Chelsea wanted £2millon last year but have dropped the price due to his contract running down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 I thought he looked incrediable on his loan debut for us, and that his following performances were never quite as good, however that was some time ago and I certainly think he's the sort of player we need to be signing to do well next season. I've not seem him play for a while but we could do a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Not wanting a player because he's similar to one of our better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Not wanting a player because he's similar to one of our better players. Really? Do you not understand what we need in central midfield? Your judgement is better than that Hopkins I will give you an example Last season Cork 36 starts plus 4 Subs 3 goals 2 assists - Shots 19 on target 15 off. Last season Schneiderlin - 23 starts 4 subs no goals 1 assist - 7 shots on target 14 off See the problem of playing both? Our central midfield has gone missing too often. We will not get away with that in the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 7 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 June, 2011 We made a thing of signing experienced midfield players, Alan ball and Jimmy Case to mention two who did well for us. You sign what your team needs at the time - sometimes that can be experience. Lots of people turned their noses up at Jim McCalliog but his pass won us the 1976 FA cup. Sometimes managers see things we don't. This is a good point, and true. However, I can't see an ageing midfielder fit into the current 2011 squad, unless they were exceptional and signed for a high fee from a PL club, of course. (Which I can't see happening anyway). I'd just rather have Jack Cork who has the potential to develop into a quality player, than a quality player winding down his career who has no potential beyond a couple of years. Just my opinion (and also the way I seem to play FootballManager...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolsaint29 Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Is this the new Skacel thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Schneiderlin and Cork in a central midfield pairing? Too samey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Schneiderlin and Cork in a central midfield pairing? Too samey. Or you could play both - but have Neil Danns playing just in front, Lallana one side, Chambo the other and Lambo up top. I reckon that's how Adkins wants us to play eventually, but i'm not 100% sure the single striker will end up being Lambo long-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 didn't Adkins say in an interview 442 wouldn't be his preferred formation next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Really? Do you not understand what we need in central midfield? Your judgement is better than that Hopkins I will give you an example Last season Cork 36 starts plus 4 Subs 3 goals 2 assists - Shots 19 on target 15 off. Last season Schneiderlin - 23 starts 4 subs no goals 1 assist - 7 shots on target 14 off See the problem of playing both? Our central midfield has gone missing too often. We will not get away with that in the Championship In fairness I do see the point. I also see it more as I'm still yet to be convinced that Adkins rates Morgan as much as we all do and I wouldn't be surprised if Morgan goes at some point in the near future. He also loves Hammond and I can't see him going out of his way to drop him. So if he does sign Cork I see him partnering Hammond but anyway my point still kinda stands. Morgan is one of our better players (In a lot of peoples opinions) so I can't really see the big dissapointment if we sign someone like him. If Gobern goes we'll need someone to replace him, Cork is a step up in quality from Gobern and is young enough to be a big part of this club. Morgan has a year left on his contract I believe? Don't see him staying too much longer because he'll want to further his career probably back in France and if that is the case then getting Cork now not only helps us out this season but allows us to replace Morgan for the future too. There is no guarantee that they will play together in central midfield and Cork is a step up from Gobern who looks set to leave us. In fact...I wouldn't be surprised if we did sign Cork if we went on a signed another attacking central midfielder (Maybe one who can play out wide also tbf). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Really? Do you not understand what we need in central midfield? Your judgement is better than that Hopkins I will give you an example Last season Cork 36 starts plus 4 Subs 3 goals 2 assists - Shots 19 on target 15 off. Last season Schneiderlin - 23 starts 4 subs no goals 1 assist - 7 shots on target 14 off See the problem of playing both? Our central midfield has gone missing too often. We will not get away with that in the Championship Is this because they've been asked to play a similar role? Can neither play further forward? Anyone know if Schneiderlin plays the same role for France Under 21's as he does for Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Is this because they've been asked to play a similar role? Can neither play further forward? Anyone know if Schneiderlin plays the same role for France Under 21's as he does for Saints? When I saw Morgan play for the U21's he scored a goal from the edge of the box and always seemed to be involved in the attacks. I think he's natrually a cautious player though but I still wouldn't turn my nose up to Jack Cork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 When I saw Morgan play for the U21's he scored a goal from the edge of the box and always seemed to be involved in the attacks. I think he's natrually a cautious player though but I still wouldn't turn my nose up to Jack Cork. Doesn't play the same role for the bleuets, plays as one of 2 recuperateur/relayeurs both with equal liberty to move forward when the opportunity arises but the other one hasn't to go charging forward at the same time. 4-2-3-1 is bog standard in French football it's the base system and it's the formula which Morgan most easily drops into.However with Saints wanting, nay needing to play with 2 strikers all of the time because they don't have a real 'hole man' he may not be so much at liberty to get forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 When I saw Morgan play for the U21's he scored a goal from the edge of the box and always seemed to be involved in the attacks. I think he's natrually a cautious player though but I still wouldn't turn my nose up to Jack Cork. Thanks for the reply. It's interesting that France seem to play him further forward. I think there's a danger that we categorise players as a certain type without having seen them in role different from the one they are asked to play for a particular team. For all I know Cork also may be perfectly capable of playing in a more forward role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Schneiderlin and Cork in a central midfield pairing? Too samey. I don't agree with that. Cork and Surman were too samey when they were asked to play in centre midfield. They both liked to push on, but at times that cost us as we looked lightweight down the middle defensively. Cork looks like he is still willing to push forward these days and he certainly looks like he has an engine on him so I'd of thought he be a good foil for Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Has Cork signed yet, or is he the new Rudi Skacel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Or you could play both - but have Neil Danns playing just in front, Lallana one side, Chambo the other and Lambo up top.. We sure kept the Danns signing very quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Really? Do you not understand what we need in central midfield? Your judgement is better than that Hopkins I will give you an example Last season Cork 36 starts plus 4 Subs 3 goals 2 assists - Shots 19 on target 15 off. Last season Schneiderlin - 23 starts 4 subs no goals 1 assist - 7 shots on target 14 off See the problem of playing both? Our central midfield has gone missing too often. We will not get away with that in the Championship Cork plays as a box to box player for Burnley I believe. Most assists come from wide areas, set plays or forwards moving the ball on. Its not that often a central midfielder has an opportunity to get a direct, open play assist. It's silly to expect that many goals from them either and 3 is obviously better than none. Our top 5 scorers this season are all strikers or wingers and I'd be willing to bet that our asssists table looks much the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Cork is a solid receive and pass CM and yes in a similar vein to MS. Cork is also versatile which adds value to the squad. The real difference maker, however, would be Danns. Pace, skill, delivery, set pieces, goals ... this is the attacking piece we are desperately missing and NC should let bygones be bygones and make it happen. Of course, it would be handy to have Cork in CM to give Danns the ball ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Cork is a solid receive and pass CM and yes in a similar vein to MS. Cork is also versatile which adds value to the squad. The real difference maker, however, would be Danns. Pace, skill, delivery, set pieces, goals ... this is the attacking piece we are desperately missing and NC should let bygones be bygones and make it happen. Of course, it would be handy to have Cork in CM to give Danns the ball ... Have I missed something? What bygones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Cork is a solid receive and pass CM and yes in a similar vein to MS. Cork is also versatile which adds value to the squad. The real difference maker, however, would be Danns. Pace, skill, delivery, set pieces, goals ... this is the attacking piece we are desperately missing and NC should let bygones be bygones and make it happen. Of course, it would be handy to have Cork in CM to give Danns the ball ... I'd love Danns, but i'd be very suprised if he ends up anywhere other than Hull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Have I missed something? What bygones? Isn't Danns supposed to have turned us down 18 months back?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Isn't Danns supposed to have turned us down 18 months back?? Pretty much. Went for him and Fonte, but Danns was convinced by Warnock to stay there at the time - only for Warnock to shorlty move anyway! I think the main reason he didn't move then was because of our league position. He'd have been in L1 for another 18 months at least, with Fonte he was kind of pushed out of the door as the Administrator's needed that £1m. Didn't Danns have some family living in Southampton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Cork would be a fantastic signing I think, he's a proven player at this level and he has big potential too. Getting him for £750k would be an absolute steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Cork plays as a box to box player for Burnley I believe. Most assists come from wide areas, set plays or forwards moving the ball on. Its not that often a central midfielder has an opportunity to get a direct, open play assist. It's silly to expect that many goals from them either and 3 is obviously better than none. Our top 5 scorers this season are all strikers or wingers and I'd be willing to bet that our asssists table looks much the same. Bullsh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Cork is a solid receive and pass CM and yes in a similar vein to MS. Cork is also versatile which adds value to the squad. The real difference maker, however, would be Danns. Pace, skill, delivery, set pieces, goals ... this is the attacking piece we are desperately missing and NC should let bygones be bygones and make it happen. Of course, it would be handy to have Cork in CM to give Danns the ball ... when did Nicola fall out with Danns??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 think his uncle has pub in portswood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Cork would be a fantastic signing I think, he's a proven player at this level and he has big potential too. Getting him for £750k would be an absolute steal. If he can play with Hammond then yes he will be. NA will play Hammond and 1 other, count on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 Schneiderlin's too good to be sitting on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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