djharvey Posted 10 June, 2011 Share Posted 10 June, 2011 I did begin the post with "I think", so i would have thought it was obvious that I didn't have exact figures. They were the broadly accepted conclusions at the time and there's no published figures to confirm or debunk them as far as I know. My point exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 10 June, 2011 Share Posted 10 June, 2011 I thought Cortese was pretty clear and concise in that we have NO debt. Liebherr's don't work in debt. Self sufficient, high standard facilities and professionally run club. A far cry from our past self-serving Chairmen. It's actually weird going into transfer windows feeling excited, knowing that football decisions made are as good as can be expected and not ridiculous decisions made by idiotic pig farmers with ZERO knowledge on football yet arrogance to believe they know more than life-long professionals. Professional FC. I am hoping Adkins can attract some quality this season/promotion push since his reputation has been good this season but equally important is a manager's rep. in attracting the quality footballers, something we have yet to see from pre-season. Pardew wasted the last pre season/opening campaign (I believe setting us up to fail to egostistically enhance his own rep. to the detriment of the club) and it is way too long since we got off to a good start so I am nervous and hopeful we finally beat that trend. We've certainly ironed out many repeated patterns of failure but the catalyst for that repeated failure was mainly 2 Chairmen and their decisions (Lowe and prior) and we seem to be a far cry from those lowly days. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 10 June, 2011 Share Posted 10 June, 2011 Zzzz. We have no debt. And no news on Jack Cork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 10 June, 2011 Share Posted 10 June, 2011 Zzzz. We have no debt. And no news on Jack Cork. Are you sure? Do you have any facts to back up that statement! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 June, 2011 Share Posted 10 June, 2011 Are you sure? Do you have any facts to back up that statement! Lol the last published accounts for the holding company(2009/10) show debt,quite a bit of it actually,the nature of the debt is unknown but most think it is to Herr Liebherr's estate and trustees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 10 June, 2011 Share Posted 10 June, 2011 Zzzz. We have no debt. And no news on Jack Cork. Let's just stick to Jack Cork shall we.. Where is Jack Cork now, what's he thinking, is he at all interested in coming here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 10 June, 2011 Share Posted 10 June, 2011 Zzzz. We have no debt. And no news on Jack Cork. We have plenty of debt..... but it wont stop us buying Jack Cork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 10 June, 2011 Share Posted 10 June, 2011 My point exactly! So we'll tell the Burnley fans we didn't do it, despite it being the accepted course of events at the time, because nobody published the figures confirming it. I'm sure that will satisfy them Instead we wrote off an unspecified amount of debt. We could sign Cork for an undisclosed fee as well. Any way, third post, I'm off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 June, 2011 Share Posted 10 June, 2011 cork wont be signing...its a load of media crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 10 June, 2011 Share Posted 10 June, 2011 So, to summarize, Cork is signing/ not signing and the club has a load of debt/ no debt and we have made 9 pages out of it - and I've just added to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 no news, but his twitter http://twitter.com/#!/jackcork1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Now we've reached 9 pages he'll be sh#t if we sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 no news, but his twitter http://twitter.com/#!/jackcork1 Couldn't help but notice his picture was taken at SMS. Does this mean he is signing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/tomhop_people/status/79689931349438464 Steph Toman @tomhop_people Hmm, doesn't sound like Jack Cork is coming back to St Mary's then... 1 hour ago in reply to @Steph_Toman ↑ Tom Hopkinson @Steph_Toman Cork-less St Mary's next season I'm afraid 1 hour ago via Mobile Web Favorite Retweet Reply does putting it here make it easier to follow the rumours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 its a load of crap..made up by the papers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Really could not give a toss if we sign him or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 its a load of crap..made up by the papers with a little help from agents as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Ain't gonna happen. Load of bull spun by the papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 (edited) Adam Lallana signed up to Twitter today. He is following 14 people, one of them is Jack Cork. EDIT - No he didn't, some random fooled Ryan Dickson into thinking he was Adam Lallana. Edited 14 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Adam Lallana signed up to Twitter today. He is following 14 people, one of them is Jack Cork. U21's Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northant Saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Really could not give a toss if we sign him or not. You couldn't be bothered if we sign one of the best championship level midfielders available? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 and Jack Wilshere - would be good signing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 It really says something about the quality of 'journalism' at the Mirror that they reported it was a done deal a week or so ago. Added to that, they had it in for us because apparently we were paying £15,000 a week for the privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Adam Lallana signed up to Twitter today. He is following 14 people, one of them is Jack Cork. Nothing to read into there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 Amy-Childs-admits-rough-patch-boyfriend-Joe-Jack-Cork-pictures http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2003215/The-Only-Way-Is-Essex-Amy-Childs-admits-rough-patch-boyfriend-Joe-Jack-Cork-pictures.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 Amy-Childs-admits-rough-patch-boyfriend-Joe-Jack-Cork-pictures http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2003215/The-Only-Way-Is-Essex-Amy-Childs-admits-rough-patch-boyfriend-Joe-Jack-Cork-pictures.html Woooooff I'd let the other bloke have her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 17 June, 2011 Share Posted 17 June, 2011 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2004904/West-Ham-swoop-Chelseas-Jack-Cork.html? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 June, 2011 Share Posted 17 June, 2011 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2004904/West-Ham-swoop-Chelseas-Jack-Cork.html? no no no west ham are going to struggle this season....we have been told..!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 June, 2011 Share Posted 17 June, 2011 think you are wrong, no way they will struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 17 June, 2011 Share Posted 17 June, 2011 The players West Ham are signing,Nolan and maybe Cork plus others will guarantee them top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 17 June, 2011 Share Posted 17 June, 2011 If anyone wants to question why some people are complaining about the lack of signings so far - this is why; that the longer you wait the less choice you have as targets are picked off by other clubs. For Saints to be serious about competing at the top of the NpC the club needs players of the same calibre as those being signed by West Ham and others. Maybe the 5-year plan includes 2 or 3 years in the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 think you are wrong, no way they will struggle. The players West Ham are signing,Nolan and maybe Cork plus others will guarantee them top 2. TDD was being sarcastic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 If anyone wants to question why some people are complaining about the lack of signings so far - this is why; that the longer you wait the less choice you have as targets are picked off by other clubs. For Saints to be serious about competing at the top of the NpC the club needs players of the same calibre as those being signed by West Ham and others. Maybe the 5-year plan includes 2 or 3 years in the Championship I'd say the 5 year plan accommodates for 2 years in the Championship, but no more. As I keep pointing out though, the league position of the team is only one aspect of the 5 year plan - this is highlighted by Cortese saying we were actually ahead of schedule half way through last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 If anyone wants to question why some people are complaining about the lack of signings so far - this is why; that the longer you wait the less choice you have as targets are picked off by other clubs. For Saints to be serious about competing at the top of the NpC the club needs players of the same calibre as those being signed by West Ham and others. Maybe the 5-year plan includes 2 or 3 years in the Championship I sometimes wonder if our mask of secrecy is a smokescreen to hide our incapacity to quickly wrap up targets. CMS was a prime example last January. We dillied and dallied for 3 weeks after agreeing a fee with P'boro, as a result his value was re-accessed by his club when they realised other clubs were interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 the mail HUG! beleave nothing out of that tory rag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 TDD was being sarcastic... There is no room for sarcasm on these boards! Ask Deppo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 I sometimes wonder if our mask of secrecy is a smokescreen to hide our incapacity to quickly wrap up targets. CMS was a prime example last January. We dillied and dallied for 3 weeks after agreeing a fee with P'boro, as a result his value was re-accessed by his club when they realised other clubs were interested You are not alone in this theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 We cannot sign anyone cos of the bloody high level security surrounding the new home shirt. They would have nothing to hold up for the cameras, so expect no signings until 21 July Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 CMS was a prime example last January. We dillied and dallied for 3 weeks after agreeing a fee with P'boro, as a result his value was re-accessed by his club when they realised other clubs were interested How do you know this? I wasn't aware we'd put in any bid for CMS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 Rumour on twitter is that as west ham failed to lure Gardener yesterday they have turned their attention to Cork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 How do you know this? I wasn't aware we'd put in any bid for CMS... pat also is certain that martin o'neil was wanting to manage us in the 3rd division. yep, just waiting for the call...despite walking away from his job because they could not complete (only just) with the top 4 in the prem..but was wanting a division 3 job.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 I sometimes wonder if our mask of secrecy is a smokescreen to hide our incapacity to quickly wrap up targets. CMS was a prime example last January. We dillied and dallied for 3 weeks after agreeing a fee with P'boro, as a result his value was re-accessed by his club when they realised other clubs were interested rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 I sometimes wonder if our mask of secrecy is a smokescreen to hide our incapacity to quickly wrap up targets. CMS was a prime example last January. We dillied and dallied for 3 weeks after agreeing a fee with P'boro, as a result his value was re-accessed by his club when they realised other clubs were interested You don't have to operate behind a veil of secrecy to cock up transfers. That's more likely done in the glare of the publicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 Disappointing if we don't get him. I really want us to sign someone of quality because it will really give an indication of what type of signings we are going to get. Spending spree of the first year of this regime? Or frees, low fees and loans of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 Disappointing if we don't get him. I really want us to sign someone of quality because it will really give an indication of what type of signings we are going to get. Spending spree of the first year of this regime? Or frees, low fees and loans of last season. - Is £450k a "low fee" for a League One right back? - How do you know how much Guly cost? It was undisclosed. - Dickson's fee went to a tribunal, and he cost less for that reason. Had Saints wanted to buy him any other time he would have cost a lot more than the tribunal fee. - Tying Lallana to a 4.5 year deal wouldn't be cheap with raised wages, signing on fee and agent fee. - Do you know how much Forte cost? It probably was cheap, but as it was undisclosed we don't know. - Although Chaplow was apparently only £50k, he'd be on good wages, signing on fee and agent fee. On top of all of that, in the summer of 2010 not a lot needed to be added in any case, as the nucleus of a very good League One team was already in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 - Is £450k a "low fee" for a League One right back? - How do you know how much Guly cost? It was undisclosed. - Dickson's fee went to a tribunal, and he cost less for that reason. Had Saints wanted to buy him any other time he would have cost a lot more than the tribunal fee. - Tying Lallana to a 4.5 year deal wouldn't be cheap with raised wages, signing on fee and agent fee. - Do you know how much Forte cost? It probably was cheap, but as it was undisclosed we don't know. - Although Chaplow was apparently only £50k, he'd be on good wages, signing on fee and agent fee. On top of all of that, in the summer of 2010 not a lot needed to be added in any case, as the nucleus of a very good League One team was already in place. I haven't read what you have posted but I know what you have said because you have said it hundreds of times. I've outlined my position and why we spent significantly less on players and wages this year than our first year. No matter what you say, the transfers this summer will be a big indication as to our financial situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 Spend big now! Can only spend what you earn soon.......get the advantage now!! We have loadsa money £££££ €€€€€ $$$$$ Or do we..............? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 Spend big now! Can only spend what you earn soon.......get the advantage now!! We have loadsa money £££££ €€€€€ $$$$$ Or do we..............? If we have less cash than before then it makes sense to go down the frees/loans option. If we want to really compete then we need to bring in some proven championship performers which won't be cheap. We need to spend some cash this summer and if we go for the cheap options, it will be a big indicator as to our financial situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 norwich didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 18 June, 2011 Share Posted 18 June, 2011 If we have less cash than before then it makes sense to go down the frees/loans option. If we want to really compete then we need to bring in some proven championship performers which won't be cheap. We need to spend some cash this summer and if we go for the cheap options, it will be a big indicator as to our financial situation. The types of player rather than the fee is a bigger indicator! Could add 3 or 4 very good players for free, but high wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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