Rebel Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Lallana, Schneiderlin and Oxlade-Chamberlain are all better on the ball than any of those England U21 players today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 So what if he wasn't impressive today. Just who do some of you think we are? He would be an outstanding signing. How can any club in the Championship turn their noses up at a player of this calibre? Some of you with stupidly high expectations are going to be sorely disappointed this coming season, I can see it now. 'Expectations' should be sky high if yours aren't go support a team with very low expectations. This chairman, manager and suporters are ambitious - join in or go and support Eastleigh is my advice. Winners have high expectations - loosers don't. This summer we should be looking to bring in a couple of very good players, they don't have to well known or expensive - just very good. We are not 'any club' in the championship. Your low ambition is not aligned with this club - catch up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Tend to agree but will we be able to bring such players here is the thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Spoke to someone who was at the game today who had a ''Source'' - apparently we didn't have a bid accepted (there was contact with chelsea and his agent) but we weren't happy paying 750k, so it's not going to happen. That is something I find surprising to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints4Prem Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 The OS has a gallery of pictures from todays Under 21. There are 38 pictures with about 5 featuring Jack Cork as he only played one half is this another tease or a message? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 He's signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 He's signing Realllly???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 He's signing Source? Or just a hunch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 The OS has a gallery of pictures from todays Under 21. There are 38 pictures with about 5 featuring Jack Cork as he only played one half is this another tease or a message? Most probably just a little bit of fun from the club to get fans talking. I still remember their "Taking Stock" article while we were being strongly linked with Brian Stock. I actually thought we got him, but it was just something about the megastore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 I still remember their "Taking Stock" article while we were being strongly linked with Brian Stock. I actually thought we got him, but it was just something about the megastore. That was so cruel, yet rather funny in it's way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 He's signing A cheque for a deposit on a house in Winchester no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Saw him in the St. Mary's area today, must be checking out the ground and signing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Saw him in the St. Mary's area today, must be checking out the ground and signing! There are even rumours that he was playing out of the home dressing room at St Mary's. What utter tripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 There are even rumours that he was playing out of the home dressing room at St Mary's. What utter tripe. there is no way anyone can top a dis that involves the words 'utter tripe' and even if he does sign he will be 'utter tripe' until he proves otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 (edited) there is no way anyone can top a dis that involves the words 'utter tripe' and even if he does sign he will be 'utter tripe' until he proves otherwise Someone will, just you wait. Edited 6 June, 2011 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Is he really the best we can get? Paul Scholes anyone? Giggs maybe (might wanna escape the drama of Man U) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Source? Or just a hunch? Heard it myself from someone who told me about Guly and Forte not sure I am overjoyed with Cork arriving However if Morgan is off then it is probably a good signing just think we need an experienced CM to play with Morgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Heard it myself from someone who told me about Guly and Forte not sure I am overjoyed with Cork arriving However if Morgan is off then it is probably a good signing just think we need an experienced CM to play with Morgan Why are you not happy? who would you like instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Why are you not happy? who would you like instead? Don't worry about what others think! It's really down to those that know the inside and outside of football who's opinion counts and that's Adkins. IMHO he wants to play a style that allows our players to all get forward with darting runs leaving a holding player back (Cork) with the two centre backs in support then good, I love that. We would have two wing backs tearing forward, three midfielders giving us options with the strikers moving off in angles for scoring opportunities. The Southampton Style? you bet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I would be really happy. Would be. Brilliant signing and statement of intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Heard it myself from someone who told me about Guly and Forte not sure I am overjoyed with Cork arriving However if Morgan is off then it is probably a good signing just think we need an experienced CM to play with Morgan Why wouldn't you be overjoyed John? He's one of the most saught after players in the Championship and he'd probably walk into 90% of the teams. He'd be a statement signing and is young enough to make the move to the premiership with us too. Would be extatic. Let's hope what I heard y/day was a load of rubbish! (with us not willing to pay the fee) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Don't worry about what others think! It's really down to those that know the inside and outside of football who's opinion counts and that's Adkins. IMHO he wants to play a style that allows our players to all get forward with darting runs leaving a holding player back (Cork) with the two centre backs in support then good, I love that. We would have two wing backs tearing forward, three midfielders giving us options with the strikers moving off in angles for scoring opportunities. The Southampton Style? you bet! Yes! I like this....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Why wouldn't you be overjoyed John? He's one of the most saught after players in the Championship and he'd probably walk into 90% of the teams. He'd be a statement signing and is young enough to make the move to the premiership with us too. Would be extatic. Let's hope what I heard y/day was a load of rubbish! (with us not willing to pay the fee) Of course if we did not have Morgan I would be delighted but we do have him and I think he needs to play with a top quality experienced CM not Jack Cork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Staement of intent? I can't see anything fans going "S**t, F**king s**t!! Saints are bound to walk the league this season. They've just signed Jack Cork!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Staement of intent? I can't see anything fans going "S**t, F**king s**t!! Saints are bound to walk the league this season. They've just signed Jack Cork!" He was played out of position to accommodate Michael Mancienne. Worrying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 He was played out of position to accommodate Michael Mancienne. Worrying Stuart Pearce picked the team. Therefore no panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Of course if we did not have Morgan I would be delighted but we do have him and I think he needs to play with a top quality experienced CM not Jack Cork Jack Cork was a top quality CM last year for Burnley - was their POTS. He's the perfect partner for Morgan IMO - if anything it would allow us to be more expressive, as Pichards said above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Staement of intent? I can't see anything fans going "S**t, F**king s**t!! Saints are bound to walk the league this season. They've just signed Jack Cork!" Blackpool think it would be- http://www.blackpool.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=523493 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-ross Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Which one of these two would be getting forward? I always thought both these two were quite defensive minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Jack Cork was a top quality CM last year for Burnley - was their POTS. He's the perfect partner for Morgan IMO - if anything it would allow us to be more expressive, as Pichards said above. Just think it is going to be similar to Gerrard and Lampard with England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Heard it myself from someone who told me about Guly and Forte not sure I am overjoyed with Cork arriving However if Morgan is off then it is probably a good signing just think we need an experienced CM to play with Morgan 4 seasons of experience on loan in the Championship and being the standout player in his team for most of it. Aged 21 and costing £750k sounds pretty good to me. If you can shed light on who else is youthful, proven, what we want/need and value for money, maybe you should be cheif scout. I think Burnley used him as a box to box midfielder, but his versatility could come in useful when we play different types of opposition or to cover injuries Where did you hear Morgan might be off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I'd imagine Cork will get his future sorted ASAP as he is off to the Euro's with the u21's. Unless he is happy to not worry about it until after the competition is over and he's back from his holidays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 4 seasons of experience on loan in the Championship and being the standout player in his team for most of it. Aged 21 and costing £750k sounds pretty good to me. If you can shed light on who else is youthful, proven, what we want/need and value for money, maybe you should be cheif scout. I think Burnley used him as a box to box midfielder, but his versatility could come in useful when we play different types of opposition or to cover injuries Where did you hear Morgan might be off? Can't see Morgan leaving this summer, in January perhaps if he gets messed around again by NA, think he was pretty furax about getting dropped when he was on international duty last year.He'll be able to negociate as a free agent from January onwards, well at least he can start talking to other clubs about the 2012/13 season then anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Even playing out of position he looked unambitious and most of his passing was safety first sideways and back. There is no way he could play in the same midfield as Schneiderlin. Chaplow maybe, but he looks like he is still an unambitious defensive midfielder which we don't need. We do need a driver in midfield that will make us play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 (edited) Even playing out of position he looked unambitious and most of his passing was safety first sideways and back. There is no way he could play in the same midfield as Schneiderlin. Chaplow maybe, but he looks like he is still an unambitious defensive midfielder which we don't need. We do need a driver in midfield that will make us play. Have you watched these? He was a box to box central midfielder for Burnley in his 18 months there, both in the Premier League and top half of the Championship. Every touch of the ball he has in two games, one in the Premier League 2009/10 and one in the Championship 2010/11... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdMhFjcjGO8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNvOJ3Kqd6c&feature=related Edited 6 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Even playing out of position he looked unambitious and most of his passing was safety first sideways and back. There is no way he could play in the same midfield as Schneiderlin. Chaplow maybe, but he looks like he is still an unambitious defensive midfielder which we don't need. We do need a driver in midfield that will make us play. It was half a game playing out of position. He is one of the top midfielders in the npc and young so can only improve. Anyone who wouldn't want him needs their judgement questioned. Having said that you think Davis was one of the worst keepers in league one so I think that says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Even playing out of position he looked unambitious and most of his passing was safety first sideways and back. There is no way he could play in the same midfield as Schneiderlin. Chaplow maybe, but he looks like he is still an unambitious defensive midfielder which we don't need. We do need a driver in midfield that will make us play. Out of interest, much attacking play did Pearce tell Cork to do considering we were two nil up when the substitution was made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 The Euro U21 tournament will be a much better indicator really, let's see how he gets on, don't know how much game time he'll get though.If he has a good Euro then everybody will be falling over themselves to give Chelsea 750K for him and he'll be able to negociate a really good deal for himself, or rather his agent will.Still think he'll stay at Burnley myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 It was half a game playing out of position. He is one of the top midfielders in the npc and young so can only improve. Anyone who wouldn't want him needs their judgement questioned. Having said that you think Davis was one of the worst keepers in league one so I think that says it all. Another over reaction from you. Has it never occurred to you that there is always room for other opinions. I don't rate Davis although the coaching he is getting is showing some improvement, as for Cork, he will more than likely go somewhere else and in any event would need to show a lot more than he did yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Out of interest, much attacking play did Pearce tell Cork to do considering we were two nil up when the substitution was made? Our left back didn't seem to be stopped from attacking and how would I know? Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 'Expectations' should be sky high if yours aren't go support a team with very low expectations. This chairman, manager and suporters are ambitious - join in or go and support Eastleigh is my advice. Winners have high expectations - loosers don't. This summer we should be looking to bring in a couple of very good players, they don't have to well known or expensive - just very good. We are not 'any club' in the championship. Your low ambition is not aligned with this club - catch up! While I agree with you, broadly speaking, there is a problem when high expectations tip over into unrealistic expectations and players get abused because they are not Messi (Lallana excepted of course ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Another over reaction from you. Has it never occurred to you that there is always room for other opinions. I don't rate Davis although the coaching he is getting is showing some improvement, as for Cork, he will more than likely go somewhere else and in any event would need to show a lot more than he did yesterday. Of course, but your comments are excessively harsh and fly in the face of the available evidence. If cork was as poor as you claim then he would not be as highly sought after as he is, but you probably know better than most npc managers because you have a coaching badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Is derry a good coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Of course, but your comments are excessively harsh and fly in the face of the available evidence. If cork was as poor as you claim then he would not be as highly sought after as he is, but you probably know better than most npc managers because you have a coaching badge. Another catty post. At least I've bothered to learn something about the structure of the game to base my opinions on. I also respect other opinions even if I disagree with them, you just spout your opinions as fact with little or no respect for anybody, which is why you get little respect from others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Is derry a good coach? Not sure but even a bad one could see that cork wasn't good on sunday. Shame he played there tbh. Would have been nice to have assessed him as a midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Not sure but even a bad one could see that cork wasn't good on sunday. Shame he played there tbh. Would have been nice to have assessed him as a midfielder. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Another catty post. At least I've bothered to learn something about the structure of the game to base my opinions on. I also respect other opinions even if I disagree with them, you just spout your opinions as fact with little or no respect for anybody, which is why you get little respect from others. Whereas I am basing my opinion that cork is a cracking npc player on the fact that he is highly sort after, proven at this level and is young so will most likely get better. My opinion is not fact as you claim but it is backed up with a heck of a lot of evidence. What are you basing your contrary opinion on? Other than one half of football out of position and your own expertise I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Whereas I am basing my opinion that cork is a cracking npc player on the fact that he is highly sort after, proven at this level and is young so will most likely get better. My opinion is not fact as you claim but it is backed up with a heck of a lot of evidence. What are you basing your contrary opinion on? Other than one half of football out of position and your own expertise I mean. I take it you got to a few burnley games last season then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 6 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Heard it myself from someone who told me about Guly and Forte not sure I am overjoyed with Cork arriving However if Morgan is off then it is probably a good signing just think we need an experienced CM to play with Morgan How do you define 'experienced'? Would it be a 35 year old ex-Premier League midfielder who is slowly working his way down the leagues? Jack Cork is only 21, but he has played in the Premier League, has represented England at every level from U.16s to U.21s, and made 40 Championship appearances last season alone. He is sought after by a number of clubs, and highly rated. Rightly so. If I had to choose between an old experienced player or a highly rated young player, I wouldn't need to even think about it. I don't think experience comes into it, if you're good enough, then you're good enough. Cork is good enough IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I take it you got to a few burnley games last season then? TBF the majority of Burnley's fanbase were of the opinion that he was their POTS last year. I have no idea why we're debating if Jack Cork is good enough for us, when he clearly would walk into our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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